Tags (a message to our overlord, Tony)

[Aoibh]

Dear Tony,


It’s been a while since we last spoke, if not longer(was one comment, but whose counting ). The days have grown short(8hrs daylight ?) and cold now that it is winter, and as always, the part of Albion I reside, has been wind-washed and showers all week. And so, It has left me thinking about how we could do something for our community(me ). So, from here on I’m going to be blunt, with one or two distasteful words (Oops?), please don’t be too dissatisfied with my demeanour xx



Could we have a new category for Tags. For instance:

‘Tag Request(Or Suggestion)’

Just like the feature request a place to where people can request tags, I wouldn't call it being a ‘Feature’ in a general sense. I’m sure it will be a shit storm at the start because we both know that there will be a line of people asking for tags, but I’m sure it will quiet down after a while.


‘Tag Discussion’

For people to discuss Tags and whether some things need to be changed in the definition and usage if they pose to contradict if used in conjuntion with another tag (so political correctness of usability with other tags but not to get rid of said tag unless said tag by definition is outright harmful to other tag based on religion/belief, sex, sexual orientation, gender reassignment, disability, and other protected characteristics. This wouldn’t mean you can’t write about this stuff if it’s to portray a particularly character you have in your story. Everyone loves a vile antagonist that they would want to be killed off or what not, it’s just pertaining to tags), an d more.

I think it would be a good thing for the SH community to get together and have a place to discuss such topic/s.

There would be a lot more to discuss about this and how it should be used In the comments and other peoples views and ideas on it in thorough details(including the common riffraff).


‘Tag Handbook’

So people can refer the handbook on what tags definition are and how they should be used with an in depth explanation if they contradict another tag if not apparent already(or have this as a locked pinned thread on ‘Tag Discussion’ sub-category, but there would be a lot to read I’m sure) it also will be a locked sub-category(so no one can add anything when they want.




Take it all as food for thought.



Yours Truly,

Mademoiselle Aoibh



P.S. (To everyone else)

Sacrifice yourselves to the cause! Unless you’re riffraff. (Im being humorous if you don’t understand.)

 

[Deleted member 1244]

I can see both plus and minus for this...
The optimist in me say yes ..
The glass only half full of poison say no...
The toast on the verge of landing have butter on both sides so YOLO. +1

 

[RepresentingCaution]

Yes, we need to talk about these:

 

[Aoibh]

I can see both plus and minus for this...
The optimist in me say yes ..
The glass only half full of poison say no...
The toast on the verge of landing have butter on both sides so YOLO. +1

Yeah, lets just hope we can be mature about it lol

 

[SilvCrimBlac]

Yes, we need to talk about these:
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So, the various forms of degeneracy? Sounds fun.

 

[MajorKerina]

How about user-defined variations for tags?

Same terms but with mouse-over qualifiers by a given author. Several times now have I put together combinations of tags and some folks who show up have a pre-loaded idea of what the tags mean or should mean and then press me into changing them based on what they think instead of what I intended. This way I can point them to my intent easily. Also it would be nice to have a qualifier about the extent of a tag. Like "Limited/not all chapters include X" or "X is a minor theme" vs "widespread theme".

 

[LostLibrarian]

Before we add more and more tags, I would honestly prefer a standardized definition and description of the tags on the main page. Either on the ranking page of the tag or better as mouseover for the actual tags listing.

There are probably a thousand bigger and smaller tags that can be added. But we should also define how they should be used. It happens quite a bit that I look through series, find a tag, and think: "No, you are clearly not that."

If we add more and more tags - maybe even based on only a handful users' request - their meaning will also become more and more niche...

Yeah, lets just hope we can be mature about it lol

As this is obviously your first time here, let me welcome you to ScribbleHub.
I hope you have a great time!

 

[Aoibh]

How about user-defined variations for tags?

Same terms but with mouse-over qualifiers by a given author. Several times now have I put together combinations of tags and some folks who show up have a pre-loaded idea of what the tags mean or should mean and then press me into changing them based on what they think instead of what I intended. This way I can point them to my intent easily. Also it would be nice to have a qualifier about the extent of a tag. Like "Limited/not all chapters include X" or "X is a minor theme" vs "widespread theme".

Maybe if we get this feature you can request a better tag to describe what you want than having to explain it, people are always going take tags wrongly if they don't portray the character/s right, and if multiple people think the same thing of a tag’s usage to be null or negative, I would think the author would ought to be wise to change it.

We do have general/major theme which are the genres and the subtags taking into count the character/s traits, the world they are in, monsters and so on~

As this is obviously your first time here, let me welcome you to ScribbleHub.
I hope you have a great time!

New? Me?

 

[LostLibrarian]

New? Me?

Any long-time user wouldn't have these unrealistic thoughts:

hope we can be mature

 

[Aoibh]

Any long-time user wouldn't have these unrealistic thoughts:

Thats why there was ‘lol’, I didn't think people would misread it o.o and you've commented in many of my threads. We are digressing from the thread topic
Im surprised someone could forget such a pretty person as I

 

[CL]

How about user-defined variations for tags?

Same terms but with mouse-over qualifiers by a given author. Several times now have I put together combinations of tags and some folks who show up have a pre-loaded idea of what the tags mean or should mean and then press me into changing them based on what they think instead of what I intended. This way I can point them to my intent easily. Also it would be nice to have a qualifier about the extent of a tag. Like "Limited/not all chapters include X" or "X is a minor theme" vs "widespread theme".

Yes! A lot of tags have pre-existing expectations and many readers dive into stories with a certainty on what terms those tags were added. That is not always the case. Before Major Kerina have opined their conflicting views, I'm betting on many others, authors and readers, had similar arguments. I, also, like the following idea that is, instead of tags being an umbrella for the whole story, we specifically target chapters with the tags that have those contents applied within.

@MajorKerina Thank you for bringing this suggestion up.

Before we add more and more tags...

I agree, we really shouldn't add more tags. I believe we (not us, but "we" as in all the people here and there) have different perspectives on what all those tags may mean for a story. The context of the scenes define the themes more specifically and tags are far too generalizing for everybody to even grasp the gist of what to expect in a story. They have to hope it means whatever they imagine it says. If we could have our original tags (no new tags) and simply have those tags personalized whenever they are added to a story by linking them towards the glossary for the author's specific definition, that would prevent a small number of clashes we've all experienced, witnessed, or just heard about.

 

[Aoibh]

mouseover for the actual tags listing.

What about people on mobile devices/tablets

Thank you for bringing this suggestion up

I think MajorKerina is talking about the ‘Trap’ and ‘Transgender’ tag being used for the protagonist of their story and people not liking them being used together and rightfully so, a better tag would probably be ‘“Egg” - A trans person who are in denial’ following the r/Egg_irl forum on reddit seems to be liked and simply understood and has no negative history unlike ‘Trap’. ‘Transgender’ and ‘Trap’ together just spell out fetish on works I’ve seen it used on. And having the title as ‘Am I Man or Girl’ doesn't give it the benefit of the doubt.but once again.

I again digress but ‘Egg’ as a tag would be perfect.

 

[LostLibrarian]

Thats why there was ‘lol’,

Was also just a joke from me... so everything's fine =)

What about people on mobile devices/tablets

On-touch.

 

[Aoibh]

Was also just a joke from me... so everything's fine =)

You broke my heart

 

[GodlessEmperor]

Idk, rather than more tags and tag discussions/changes made between a few people I'd simply like a toolbox for the tags. I'm sorry but many people (in this case authors) live in a bubble, just because you know the meaning of 10 words with subtle differences doesn't know that everyone can differentiate those words.
Sure, the readers that are in the same bubble would know. But if I crave some traps, would I be able to search for them? Not if I have to know all words that may be used for that...
Sure, you can say something like "But they are not my target audience" if they don't know all words. But that would mean you're excluding anyone who wants to 'join that group of people'. Not saying it's impossible, but it's certainly harder imo.

Also, many authors already misuse tags to have more views. MC is young for half a chapter? Use the young protagonist tag, even though you're only supposed to use it when the MC is young for a sizeable amount of time in the story (chapter-wise).
Further differentiating tags would lead to many authors simply using every single one they can find. I think we should rather work on making authors use the correct tags first before thinking of adding tags with subtle differences. (It may not be subtle for you, but remember, for those outside your bubble most of them are unknown words.)

So yeah, my two concerns are
- lower user-friendliness and
- stronger misuse of tags

Maybe I'm simply being too pessimistic.

 

[Aoibh]

Sure, the readers that are in the same bubble would know. But if I crave some traps, would I be able to search for them?

Its not that you cant use the ‘Trap’ tag or search for, it’s to whats it’s link to, ‘Trap’ tag with the ‘Transgender’ tag makes the ‘Trap’ tag derogatory if both tags are intended for the protagonist, if you want to have a Trans character in denial then another tag would be needed Idk if there is a denial tag or not, but that would be good or Egg, if you want to do a genderbender that has a trap who slowly turns into woman go ahead, just drop the ‘Transgender’ tag because it’s not being used right at all. I myself do like traps, reverse traps but linking them with the trans tag isn't the same thing and not something I would likely to read. Femboys on another had can be linked to trans people but only towards trans-men and non-binary folk.