Stop AI Witch-hunting!

[OtherSlater]

You’re not good at it.
I’ve been back here since 2022 for almost a month, and I’ve seen things. Things im not a fan of. This is one of them.

Yall are not detectives, no you can’t tell sometimes, and that’s ok! But to not only call somebody out on it based on vibes but to be so bold and rude about it, it’s gross and turns any new writer from this place. I was back ONE day and I, the person who got a degree in communications with a certificate in creative writing, got accused.

“Oh but the AI writes like this and you also write like this” yes, the AI mimics humans, that kinda how it works. So yes, somebody with a cleaner prose is gonna share similarities with a bot designed to have a cleaner prose. Vibes argument.

And let’s not talk about those who try to call others out with AI writing having the environmentally damaging AI art in their banner. This isn’t Salem. Stop randomly witch-hunting.

 

[RepresentingSilence]

I, the person who got a degree in communications with a certificate in creative writing, got accused.

You're taught to write like a robot in school

College degrees mean nothing to anyone who wants a actual good story

Nearly all the most popular writers throughout all of history just wrote
They didn't go to a school for writing
And they didn't get a degree
They just had a story to tell and a basic understanding of their primary language

 

[ACertainPassingUser]

The witch hunt will not stop.

This is a naturally occurring global phenomenon, as a natural consequence of widespread use of AI, people began recognizing the patterns of AI slops. Outside your control, Outside our control.

The widespread people who uses AI will not stop, and naturally people who recognize the AI will not stop either.

They'll naturally accuse of writing with similar structure sentence with average AI writings, like a gag reflex.

At this point, with the rampant universal hatred toward AI, They'll rather call out and accuse an innocent, rather than miss and accidentally let go of potential "AI bastard" in their midst.
Because "generally" means "most correct".

Why should they let go of "AI bastard" just because of the 5%-10% Chance of the person not using AI? Their feelings matter, while yours don't!

If you're not AI, why your writing looks similar to AI?

These were rather evil and malicious for sure, but they can keep it up because they got the numbers to keep this kind of thought, especially with the algorithm and general opinion of millions of other people who hate AI as well.

And so, the witch hunt against AI.

If a bomber pilot crashes their plane into the city/town they're bombing, enemy territory, the civillian of the city/town WILL beat up, torture, and kill the damn pilot bastard. War crime? Geneva convention? Warfare moral code? You think the citizens of the bombed town will care? Only the politican and military care, and they violate them alot.

The citizens doesn't care! They'll just beat them up to "teach them a lesson". Its to the point that they don't care anymore if the plane are not exactly "bomber" plane, or even if the plane arent the one bombing their town/City, they'll just beat them up because why would they care about the 5%-10% Chance of this pilot arent the one who bombed their city?

This is similar situation.

None of us in this cursed reading websites can stop this global phenomenon. You might as well tell the earth to stop doing earthquakes and stop erupting volcano as they please.

 

[Robert.Hillmyre]

You're taught to write like a robot in school

College degrees mean nothing to anyone who wants a actual good story

Nearly all the most popular writers throughout all of history just wrote
They didn't go to a school for writing
And they didn't get a degree
They just had a story to tell and a basic understanding of their primary language

The only good thing that came from university papers that helped with my writing, was making and using outlines.

 

[Lmae]

You're taught to write like a robot in school

College degrees mean nothing to anyone who wants a actual good story

Nearly all the most popular writers throughout all of history just wrote
They didn't go to a school for writing
And they didn't get a degree
They just had a story to tell and a basic understanding of their primary language

Most of those writers were bored rich people writing for other bored rich people, since the peasants could hardly read.

 

[Dec]

Hmm... I dunno man. Seems like something an AI would write.




If it wasn't obvious enough, this is a sarcasm.

 

[Juia_Darkcrest]

 

[Worthy39]

We tell them they suck and then act like we're superior for using our tiny brains to do the same thing they did with a clanker.

 

[PurpleXanmal]

Tell me about it! I mena, if there was a 100% way to prove one or the other. (And not ZeroGPT or other detectors like that, they are iffy at best.) Then yea, but.. the way people accuse from writing alone is insane. I have never had anyone accuse my writing directly of AI. They have claimed I used it because my BIO mentioned behavioral AI.. but thats a whole different issue.

 

[LuoirM]

Nuh uh

 

[Alski]

Hello inquisitor we found a witch or witch sympathizer.

 

[Envylope]

True, it could cost new authors their potential careers. AI allegations will end up harming new authors the most, since established authors will have their reputation to save them. New authors could come up and get accused with no substance, and it might cost their future.

 

[Makimaam]

AI detectors are inaccurate or have a degree of false positives. It is impossible to implement a bot to remove ai-generated work automatically without damaging genuine, authentic work. Stop the witch-hunting and let the readers decide for themselves. If they like ai-generated works, that is on them. WN readers have been consuming MTL-translated work since forever, which birthed NU. That is not going to change.

 

[Tempokai]

I have witnessed many The Butler generated stories on this website, and 90% of the time I was right. I interact with said Butler every freaking day that I can see how those usually flow, because it's a glorified T9 for I can say. I could care less about this if the stories coming from the LLM were interesting, but no, it's 95% slop with few straggling here and there, only few having interesting enough ideas that there's something to read. Too bad that those devolve into genericness once the context starts to be lost.

I don't hate LLM writing because it's LLM. I hate LLM writing when it's boring, has obvious LLM patterns all over it that don't make sense on "amateur" writing. It simply doesn't make sense for anyone to take a template, force The Butler to fill it out, and call it "it's mine". It's the same as using a template website from template website generator, and forgetting to remove half of the lorem ipsum that was on the website. There's a difference between making a half baked product and fully fledged out art (but we're not chasing it I suppose with that "believe all sloppers" type of BS, probably).

Sure, maybe one day LLM will become more smart and more stylistically diverse than anything in the world, and a simple human gaze, but it's not at that point right now. It becomes homogenized into goopy mess that anyone with half a brain wired to spot patterns could react to, leading to say "that's AI generated". Even if it's not true, it still points at those patterns, saying "hey, you've seen some The Butler generated text, it awfully looks like that", it's already suspicion in your brain that something is wrong. It's immersion breaking. Even if you know that the ideas are told are insane (plot wise), every that's not X, that's Y on a single paragraph, empty metaphors that don't work in the context multiplied by many in one chunk of a text, fake dramatization by overusing short sentences, other stylistic atrocities that just simply don't work in the context in the story through the narrator, you just simply don't trust it.

This is called breach of trust, and however small, it can roll into disbelief quickly if those sore spots caused by LLM are hit every single time. If you're oblivious enough the story made by the Butler may pass through, but once you see it, you can't unsee it. Multiply it by many, and voila, LLM witch hunts in a creative writing are happening, and will happen no matter what.

 

[HungrySheep]

AI "writing" takes 0 effort to produce. I already demonstrably proved this several days ago.

 

[JayMark]

True, it could cost new authors their potential careers. AI allegations will end up harming new authors the most, since established authors will have their reputation to save them. New authors could come up and get accused with no substance, and it might cost their future.

This is one of the reasons I want to stop using AI cover art, because I don't feel like being guilted for using AI cover art or having my writing associated with AI because of the cover

 

[Envylope]

This is one of the reasons I want to stop using AI cover art, because I don't feel like being guilted for using AI cover art or having my writing associated with AI because of the cover

I was going to mention how authors are hypocrites also, using AI for covers while lamenting that AI invaded the author space. I understand that some people cannot afford to commission a cover, but it takes like 20 seconds to put words on a page using canva. And guess what? I was able to get like 500 readers with just words on a page as a cover before I commissioned one.

 

[greyblob]

using ai to write posts now. how far have we fallen

 

[PurpleXanmal]

I was going to mention how authors are hypocrites also, using AI for covers while lamenting that AI invaded the author space. I understand that some people cannot afford to commission a cover, but it takes like 20 seconds to put words on a page using canva. And guess what? I was able to get like 500 readers with just words on a page as a cover before I commissioned one.

I was SUPER lucky to find a guy that does character portraits for like 45$ and then I just use Adobe Express to manually create the rest! I admit they probably aren't fantastic... but enough like them.. I think.

I have witnessed many The Butler generated stories on this website, and 90% of the time I was right. I interact with said Butler every freaking day that I can see how those usually flow, because it's a glorified T9 for I can say. I could care less about this if the stories coming from the LLM were interesting, but no, it's 95% slop with few straggling here and there, only few having interesting enough ideas that there's something to read. Too bad that those devolve into genericness once the context starts to be lost.

I don't hate LLM writing because it's LLM. I hate LLM writing when it's boring, has obvious LLM patterns all over it that don't make sense on "amateur" writing. It simply doesn't make sense for anyone to take a template, force The Butler to fill it out, and call it "it's mine". It's the same as using a template website from template website generator, and forgetting to remove half of the lorem ipsum that was on the website. There's a difference between making a half baked product and fully fledged out art (but we're not chasing it I suppose with that "believe all sloppers" type of BS, probably).

Sure, maybe one day LLM will become more smart and more stylistically diverse than anything in the world, and a simple human gaze, but it's not at that point right now. It becomes homogenized into goopy mess that anyone with half a brain wired to spot patterns could react to, leading to say "that's AI generated". Even if it's not true, it still points at those patterns, saying "hey, you've seen some The Butler generated text, it awfully looks like that", it's already suspicion in your brain that something is wrong. It's immersion breaking. Even if you know that the ideas are told are insane (plot wise), every that's not X, that's Y on a single paragraph, empty metaphors that don't work in the context multiplied by many in one chunk of a text, fake dramatization by overusing short sentences, other stylistic atrocities that just simply don't work in the context in the story through the narrator, you just simply don't trust it.

This is called breach of trust, and however small, it can roll into disbelief quickly if those sore spots caused by LLM are hit every single time. If you're oblivious enough the story made by the Butler may pass through, but once you see it, you can't unsee it. Multiply it by many, and voila, LLM witch hunts in a creative writing are happening, and will happen no matter what.

Which leads back to the point of let the people decide. Ratings, when trolling isn't a part of it, is pretty good at this. But when you write '1 stare, ai content' That's like saying '1 star, isekai slop' Fair, you can do that if you want, but you are judging a book by its cover, literally.

As Someone who doesn't use AI in their writing at all, and think the writing itself is terrible. All we are doing by fighting it is making it harder to detect and better then us as they improve. I DO wish we had a detection measure though.... But it's near impossible as is.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

I was going to mention how authors are hypocrites also, using AI for covers while lamenting that AI invaded the author space. I understand that some people cannot afford to commission a cover, but it takes like 20 seconds to put words on a page using canva. And guess what? I was able to get like 500 readers with just words on a page as a cover before I commissioned one.

Umm... last I heard (though there was supposedly a way to disable it), Canva actually uses AI to make even text-based images...

And it does take effort to get GOOD writing (or anything decent) out of AI - but most people stop at "well, I have SOMETHING at least so good," instead of going in and editing what the AI thinks you requested into something close to what you wanted..
Heck, there's one novel on PocketFM that I think the author has the right idea but does it backwards, because it sure as heck feels like he (or she) writes about 500 words per chapter, then tells AI to expand it out to 2000 before publishing. Too many clever bits that AI would be unlikely to come up with, but then WAY too many telltale signs of blatant AI (can dogs even furrow their brows? And why does every major villain suddenly get the name "Gavin" mid-fight?)