Spider-man 2 has awful writing

[RepresentingWrath]

Personally I don't care if something is 'woke' if the story is actually entertaining or good.

Isn't 'woke' a term to describe specifically badly written LGBTQ stuff? Example, Hades has gay romance option in it, but the game and story is very good, so it's not woke. It simply has gay stuff in it.

 

[prognastat]

Isn't 'woke' a term to describe specifically badly written LGBTQ stuff? Example, Hades has gay romance option in it, but the game and story is very good, so it's not woke. It simply has gay stuff in it.

My general interpretation is when politics, in particular left-wing ones in this case, take precedence over the quality of the product usually leading to a degradation in quality.

However the word is used by a bunch of different groups in different ways. There are plenty of people who yell woke at the mere presence of anything left-wing presented in media.

Then of course there is also the original meaning of the words as used by people on the left themselves as a state of being aware(awake) to the struggles of particular minorities.

 

[Pixytokisaki14]

Had to bring this up sometime but this game is terrible.

Mary Jane is just horrible, especially her missions. They might as well call this game “Mary Jane 2: Featuring Spiderman”

Still, the gameplay for both spider-men is pretty good, just didn’t have the same impact as the first game. I don’t get why video game makers always want to double down on doing things majority of fans hate, then try to act like what they are doing is good.

I take it back, I fully understand why.
social engineering via gaslighting.

Anyway, at least Japan still makes good games.

Have you see what they did to mary jane in that game!? If this is the considered "beauty standards" in the west, then I do not want to see what they consider ugly looks like

Thank goodness Japan and Korea exist. They have been my salvation from an entertainment point of view in these years.

The last bastions of entertainment

 

[BearlyAlive]

Equal beauty standards in video games! If females get to be ugly male characters should also have the right, nay, the privilege to be the ugliest they can be! This is discrimination! Glorifying male characters while putting down female characters to the laws of worldly beauty should not be allowed in current year! Equal rights! Equal ugliness! I will boycott any game that does not allow characters of all genders to be the ugliest they can be!

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Isn't 'woke' a term to describe specifically badly written LGBTQ stuff? Example, Hades has gay romance option in it, but the game and story is very good, so it's not woke. It simply has gay stuff in it.

Hades is definitely woke, but I enjoyed it. However, it was well written, and the people who made Hades never cared to gaslight us about it. They were like… Zagreus is bi, so what.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Hades is definitely woke, but I enjoyed it. However, it was well written, and the people who made Hades never cared to gaslight us about it. They were like… Zagreus is bi, so what.

Just to make things clear, since I'm dumb. In your interpretation of the term, any LGBTQ content = 'woke,' right?

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Just to make things clear, since I'm dumb. In your interpretation of the term, any LGBTQ content = 'woke,' right?

No.
Race swapping too.
And gender swapping.
And characters who are ugly, but the people who write them insist they aren’t.

 

[ZukoMee]

No.
Race swapping too.
And gender swapping.
And characters who are ugly, but the people who write them insist they aren’t.

I love it when they make ugly as hell female characters, and the developers claim its a "realistic depiction of a woman."

This baffles me because WE ALL have seen women that were absolutely gorgeous. I spent the first 19 years of my life in New York City, and I saw women so beautiful that they made so-called "models" seem like goblins in comparison at least once or twice a week. It's funny too because some of those very same game developers literally live in cities Los Angeles, Chicago, or New York City....where beautiful women tend to come a dime a dozen.....but they claim these ugly "creatures" they make are realistic depictions? I just don't understand why they have to lie?

Just be honest and say you are jealous and envious of actual beauty, so you must distort and attack it in your art to raise your own fragile self-image and pathetically low self-esteem?

As a side note, has anyone seen the insult they are planning to do to the next Tomb Raider Lara's depiction? I'm just....wow.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

I love it when they make ugly as hell female characters, and the developers claim its a "realistic depiction of a woman."

This baffles me because WE ALL have seen women that were absolutely gorgeous. I spent the first 19 years of my life in New York City, and I saw women so beautiful that they made so-called "models" seem like goblins in comparison at least once or twice a week. It's funny too because some of those very same game developers literally live in cities Los Angeles, Chicago, or New York City....where beautiful women tend to come a dime a dozen.....but they claim these ugly "creatures" they make are realistic depictions? I just don't understand why they have to lie?

Just be honest and say you are jealous and envious of actual beauty, so you must distort and attack it in your art to raise your own fragile self-image and pathetically low self-esteem?

As a side note, has anyone seen the insult they are planning to do to the next Tomb Raider Lara's depiction? I'm just....wow.

I'm not sure I want to know.
Personally, I don't mind race swapping if the character is done right and acts appropriately, what i can't stand is when they race swap, make the character different or try to defend it as "this is better."

As far as ugly female characters go, I don't mind them being ugly. I actually enjoyed the Last of Us 2, and I've said it multiple times on this forum that it's one of the few 'woke games' I liked playing... but why the hell are they trying to deflect the criticism of the fact that Abby is in fact UGLY AS FUCK. lol.

Same with Aloy, but I do plan to play Horizon Forbidden West when it goes on sale and is on PC due to the fact I think the game looks fun. However, I just don't get why we have to believe that these are 'good looking' females when the actresses whom they were modeled after are FAR MORE attractive. I don't get how being ugly is realistic and being 'average' is unrealistic.

 

[J_Chemist]

meanwhile I know multiple people who would suck off the Spooderman 2 devs.

The difference in reviews that I have seen makes me wonder if it's down to how brainwashed/blindfolded someone lets themselves become to the franchise.

 

[ZukoMee]

I don't mind race swapping

I hate it. There is NEVER a good reason to do it. It doesn't change anything, and it doesn't add anything. Any excuse anyone comes up with, you could do the EXACT same thing by leaving the character as they naturally/originally were. It is just an insult to the original content and it's creator. There is NO excuse. It's just pure bullshit politics. Nothing else.

I actually enjoyed the Last of Us 2,

I'm glad one of us liked it. Abby was an abomination. I couldn't even finish it because I was sick of playing as her. I'm glad I refunded it. I simply went and watched the rest of the game on youtube. Glad I got my refund. The ending was bullshit. She should've died. I'm glad Neil Druckmann is getting ignored at shows and gatherings now.

I despised Aloy's character design seeing as I know what the real model looks like, and she's cute as hell. But, I have to admit, the gameplay was pretty good. It might be the ONLY example I can personally think of where despite my criticisms of it, they didn't stop me from enjoying the experience. Even the story itself is pretty interesting and I'm looking forward to the next one.

Spooderman 2 devs.

Miles will never be Spiderman. He is every bit the pathetic token insert he was always meant to be.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

I hate it. There is NEVER a good reason to do it. It doesn't change anything, and it doesn't add anything. Any excuse anyone comes up with, you could do the EXACT same thing by leaving the character as they naturally/originally were. It is just an insult to the original content and it's creator. There is NO excuse. It's just pure bullshit politics. Nothing else.


I'm glad one of us liked it. Abby was an abomination. I couldn't even finish it because I was sick of playing as her. I'm glad I refunded it. I simply went and watched the rest of the game on youtube. Glad I got my refund. The ending was bullshit. She should've died. I'm glad Neil Druckmann is getting ignored at shows and gatherings now.

I despised Aloy's character design seeing as I know what the real model looks like, and she's cute as hell. But, I have to admit, the gameplay was pretty good. It might be the ONLY example I can personally think of where despite my criticisms of it, they didn't stop me from enjoying the experience. Even the story itself is pretty interesting and I'm looking forward to the next one.

Miles will never be Spiderman. He is every bit the pathetic token insert he was always meant to be.

Well, Nick Fury becoming black wasn't that bad to be honest. He was white in the comics until MCU.
I didn't buy Last of Us 2, I borrowed it to see what it's about, went into it not caring much but I had to say that the whole revenge thing was well written. Also, I didn't like Joel that much from the first game, so him dying wasn't that big a deal to me.

Miles isn't spider-man, but he is also spider-man, just not the OG. I don't mind there being multiple spider-man as long as they don't try and replace Peter Parker with Miles. Some of my favorite spider-man stories were always in the spider-verse, so different spider-man or spider-women are always interesting to me.

 

[ZukoMee]

Well, Nick Fury becoming black wasn't that bad to be honest. He was white in the comics until MCU.

I can't say much about Nick Fury since I wasn't aware of him until a few weeks after the first Avengers movie. I still despise that he was race-swapped despite how good he did, because we both know nowadays that if it had been a black to white character, the weirdo activists would NEVER have let it go. But white to black? Crickets. Not a word.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

I can't say much about Nick Fury since I wasn't aware of him until a few weeks after the first Avengers movie. I still despise that he was race-swapped despite how good he did, because we both know nowadays that if it had been a black to white character, the weirdo activists would NEVER have let it go. But white to black? Crickets. Not a word.

Oh, I can tell you when I first saw a black nick fury I was kind of furious that they were race swapping him as a kid. Lol.

Now though, I don't really care.
Well, in Dr. No, they made the Asian Super Villain white. No one cared back in those days lol.

But I digress. I don't like the race swapping done in One Piece live action, and it makes it so I can't enjoy it because I'm used to the comic and animated version. Also, the way they speak in english just feels wrong. That doesn't mean other people can't enjoy it though.

I don't really care so much about entertainment like I used too. The only thing I've decided is that I'll vote with my wallet and time if it's something I don't like. If people ask me why I don't like it, I'll give a straight answer, but I don't feel the need to get worked up about fairness. It's probably no secret that I'm asian, but when I went to Comi-con San Diego they had a "super asian american" panel where a bunch of Asians trying to make it into the film industry were telling us to support them and essentially help them propel their careers through writing letters and such and I was like... naw... no thanks.

I won't be used for someone else's career, and I gain nothing from supporting some guy just because he's the same race as me in the film industry. Although I admit, I wish I could be spider-man. Not Peter Parker, but maybe some other multi-verse version of it.

 

[ZukoMee]

But I digress. I don't like the race swapping done in One Piece live action, and it makes it so I can't enjoy it because I'm used to the comic and animated version. Also, the way they speak in english just feels wrong. That doesn't mean other people can't enjoy it though.

After what Netflix did to Cowboy Bebop, I won't be watching any live adaptations to much of anything. The only ones I sometimes tune into is the ones made in Japan and Korea that I need subtitles too. At least then, I know it'll be faithful. Or at least try really damn hard.

I don't really care so much about entertainment like I used too.

I've gotten to the point where I sold my television and ended my satellite television subscription. I unsubscribed to all but 2 streaming sites, and only for very specific things that once they are over, I'll be cutting those subscriptions too. I read almost exclusively Korean material online. Not entirely, but almost. I have 6 shelves that extend to my ceiling with nothing but history books. I'm a big history nerd. Went to uni for history before I realized it was a scam, took me 2 years to figure that out though. I was naive.

Now I'm just a nightclub security specialist, which is a fancy way of saying I make sure drunks don't get too rough or "handsy" with the scantily-clad dancers. Currently enjoying my first paid vacation in a year and a half

I haven't been to the theater since 2017. I almost exclusively consume written/drawn material. I hardly even watch anime anymore. I have Samurai Champloo, Cowboy Bebop, S-Cry-Ed, Black Lagoon, and DuaRarara!! on my shelf. I binge re-watch them frequently. That makes up nearly all of my anime interest now. I kinda want to buy Jormungand since it's similar to Black Lagoon but not quite as good. But yeah, I read Korean works, some stuff on RoyalRoad, countless history books, and the few small shows on stream I still tune into are all the new entertainment I still bother with now. The only show on any medium I'm even waiting for, is season 2 of Tower of God. That's it.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

After what Netflix did to Cowboy Bebop, I won't be watching any live adaptations to much of anything. The only ones I sometimes tune into is the ones made in Japan and Korea that I need subtitles too. At least then, I know it'll be faithful. Or at least try really damn hard.


I've gotten to the point where I sold my television and ended my satellite television subscription. I unsubscribed to all but 2 streaming sites, and only for very specific things that once they are over, I'll be cutting those subscriptions too. I read almost exclusively Korean material online. Not entirely, but almost. I have 6 shelves that extend to my ceiling with nothing but history books. I'm a big history nerd. Went to uni for history before I realized it was a scam, took me 2 years to figure that out though. I was naive.

Now I'm just a nightclub security specialist, which is a fancy way of saying I make sure drunks don't get too rough or "handsy" with the scantily-clad dancers. Currently enjoying my first paid vacation in a year and a half

I haven't been to the theater since 2017. I almost exclusively consume written/drawn material. I hardly even watch anime anymore. I have Samurai Champloo, Cowboy Bebop, S-Cry-Ed, Black Lagoon, and DuaRarara!! on my shelf. I binge re-watch them frequently. That makes up nearly all of my anime interest now. I kinda want to buy Jormungand since it's similar to Black Lagoon but not quite as good. But yeah, I read Korean works, some stuff on RoyalRoad, countless history books, and the few small shows on stream I still tune into are all the new entertainment I still bother with now. The only show on any medium I'm even waiting for, is season 2 of Tower of God. That's it.

I still have some enjoyment, not worth full price of course.