So many pointless Isekai

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:blob_cookie: And in that sense I responded, pointing out the problem of your premise. See, everything according to logic.
Your blatant ignorance reminds me of a quote. "Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway."
 

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Your blatant ignorance reminds me of a quote. "Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway."
:blob_cookie: The pot calling the kettle black, right?
 

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:blob_cookie: The kettle calling the pot black, right?
Not in the slightest, I've quoted and screenshotted the premise and defined premise for you, and I've even explained to you what "moving the goalpost" is and how you're using it incorrectly, yet you're still acting like you somehow won something. Go ask your dear friend, Rellawing, to explain to you what a premise is. Hopefully, one day your original story will be as popular as your Naruto fanfic, with an editor that's more knowledgeable than the writer, its not likely but its possible
 

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Not in the slightest, I've quoted and screenshotted the premise and defined premise for you, and I've even explained to you what "moving the goalpost" is and how you're using it incorrectly, yet you're still acting like you somehow won something. Go ask your dear friend, Rellawing, to explain to you what a premise is. Hopefully, one day your original story will be as popular as your Naruto fanfic, with an editor that's more knowledgeable than the writer, its not likely but its possible
:blob_evil_two: You are amusing. I give you that. :blob_cookie:
 

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Well this is fun. :blob_popcorn:

Do you mind If I join in and try and disect what's happening? If im wrong at some point, please correct me, but:
Many isekai could have used just used a character from that world but pointlessly grabbed a character from the modern world to have a self-insert. (1)
This part is absolutely correct. I don't think anyone here disagrees with this statement whatsoever.

The problem lies with these parts here:
so many either don't utilize the advantages of modern knowledge or just erase the character's memory so that he doesn't have the benefit of his knowledge.
and:
Basically they should have an advantage over the average peasant even without cheat skills, but often times they don't utilize anything useful from their past experiences.

The implication here, whether intended or not, is that an Isekai could avoid problem (1) by using knowledge of their past life to gain some advantage, making the isekai trope useful over picking a "native residence" of the other world. This is the part that is being challenged here:
:meowsip: All these skills would be mightily useless if you are born a peasant. Chemistry ... Economics ...

What are even those economics? Accounting? An excel sheet?

As for networking ... Depending on your fantasy setting, you know how the feudal system works, right? :blob_hide:

In other word, yes, Isekai aren't being used properly, but the concept of a protagonist using modern knowledge to his advantage in an Isekai would be far more difficult/unrealistic than you think.

It would still be possible, I guess. For example, if the Isekai'd person's background was that he was some kind of mechanic/engineer, who's hobby was tinkering with different things. But the MC would have to be specialised in some sort of field for it to be realistic.
 

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Well this is fun. :blob_popcorn:

Do you mind If I join in and try and disect what's happening? If im wrong at some point, please correct me, but:

This part is absolutely correct. I don't think anyone here disagrees with this statement whatsoever.

The problem lies with these parts here:

and:


The implication here, whether intended or not, is that an Isekai could avoid problem (1) by using knowledge of their past life to gain some advantage, making the isekai trope useful over picking a "native residence" of the other world. This is the part that is being challenged here:


In other word, yes, Isekai aren't being used properly, but the concept of a protagonist using modern knowledge to his advantage in an Isekai would be far more difficult/unrealistic than you think.

It would still be possible, I guess. For example, if the Isekai'd person's background was that he was some kind of mechanic/engineer, who's hobby was tinkering with different things. But the MC would have to be specialised in some sort of field for it to be realistic.
"It would still be possible, I guess. For example, if the Isekai'd person's background was that he was some kind of mechanic/engineer, who's hobby was tinkering with different things. But the MC would have to be specialized in some sort of field for it to be realistic."

When the character isn't a self insert you can do exactly that. In "THE ISEKAI DOCTOR Any sufficiently advanced medical science is indistinguishable from magic." and "Isekai Yakkyoku" the authors isekai'd doctors for their world, in "Dream Life: Yume no Isekai Seikatsu" and "The Magineer" you see the author Isekai an engineer. All of this further proves that the genre needs less self inserts.
 

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Man, this talk about isekai went up to three pages atm, yet, nothing gets done. ??

Novels stay unwritten, and the Japanese will still churn out isekai photocopies for profit and escapism. Why bother to be so logical about a setting that is illogical?

It's a rhetorical question. I'm aware of counter-arguments, being here in SHF since 2020.
 

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But maybe the real important thing is actually the friends we made along the way :blob_aww:
:blob_aww: :blob_aww: :blob_aww: Fwiends?

 
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The thing I find strange in Isekai when it comes to building the world is how willing the gods are to generally give the heroes all the powers they possess. It's cool sometimes but just cause you accidentally killed some MCs Mr. or Ms. Deity doesn't mean you get to let them have that much gratitude for them not yelling at you. You're likely to create your world's worst nightmare if these reincarnated people just decide, "I'm mad. Let's kill some people."
 
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