PSA: Stop Asking if People Would be Interested in a Story

Tyranomaster

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Lately, there has been an influx of people asking, "Would you be interested in reading this?" or "How interesting is my story idea?"

Not only is this a plague upon the forums, but it's bad for those who ask the question for multiple reasons, which I will enumerate now:

1. Forums, even reader sections of the forums, are not representative of actual available readers. Regardless of the answer you get, there is a high chance that the result is meaningless.

2. Almost EVERY story idea is meaningless in a vacuum. I've seen great premises be wiped out by awful writing and plot, and I've seen boring premises shine due to the content of the story. In fact, the premise and synopsis is barely useful at all for people to make a direct judgement in the context of them already getting an idea of the genre. LitRPG fans will give LitRPG a shot regardless of the details, same goes for almost every genre. Your question can be rephrased as, "Do you ever read novels with no reader base in x Genre?" To which the response rate will be nearly identical to the question you asked.

3. This is the real kicker, the market is so large that regardless of what your story is about, there are people who will be interested in it, as long as it is well written. The question is malformed, as yes, there will always be people interested in reading your story until they determine if you are skilled at writing. If your REAL question is "Does this premise have what it takes to become relatively popular?" then I refer you back to #2.

4. Lets say, hypothetically, you're asking this because you're a novice and you are either afraid of failure or don't want to waste your time. Well, if your premise IS actually that good, and you haven't started writing it yet, you've literally opened yourself up for better authors to swoop in and write it before you, if it was actually that groundbreaking. You've posted the idea in a public forum. You are, in fact, better off simply taking the time to write it and either sink or swim. In all likelihood, your premise fits within the well defined borders of explored literary territory within a genre.

5. By asking the forums, you're creating a defensive barrier for your ego. If the story does poorly, you can tell yourself that the forums lied to you if they said they would read it, and if they said they won't read it, you'll drop it immediately. The ego really doesn't like to get hurt, so you're pushing responsibility off onto others. Just write the story, you're too afraid of failure, and too afraid of not being successful. By wasting your time agonizing over whether the story will do well or not, you're not progressing forward and improving yourself. In all likelihood, your first stories, regardless of the premise, will suck. They'll flop, and you'll feel bad. You then need to take what you learned from those failures, and make another, better story.

Thank you for listening to my birthday PSA. Please stop asking people if they would read a hypothetical story. Just write it, then ask people to read what you've already written. Success comes from practice.
 
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I thought that you, of all people, would jump on the opportunity to discourage the others from writing...

Truth is, the actual barrier between the one's story and the readers isn't likeability, but discoverability. Does one's story really exists if no one shows up to read it? Hence, the threads...

We don't have any way for the authors to advertise their story.

We only have threads for their stories being torn down, which would only discourage any readers from bothering with the story as flaws and only flaws are brought up in those treads.

Advertising the story before it is even written is putting a cart in front of the horse, but unfortunately, there isn't any better option. I had the idea of the story advertisement section, something your site ironically has, and it wasn't particularly popular, so ...

... yeah, asking beforehand still seems more economical that put the effort into something you could ask others only to tear down, even if slightly discouraging.
 

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Lets just let people ask stupid questions.

Most of them just want any validation whatsoever. They want any assurance that whatever they are trying to write won't be hated the moment they share it.

We must be kind. :blob_melt:
I personally don't think it is kind to allow them to not engage honestly with their own work. Every author has more ideas than they have time to write. Not writing is wasting your potential as an author, and waiting for feedback to write is wasting that time you could spend writing.

There have been a *few* threads in this general genre of "would you be interested" where the individual says they've already written x amount. Those people deserve kindness. They're doing the work.

I think it is a fair comparison to say that it isn't kind to tell a child who won't eat vegies that it is ok to keep asking questions about how each vegetable tastes, rather than trying them.
 

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Trying a veggie takes seconds. Writing a story can take years.
They need not complete it. The action of trying to write it will inform them of many actual questions they would benefit from asking. They need only start to see what questions they should actually ask. That is why I see it as similar. They haven't even started the process to even know what to ask.
 
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"Would you be interested in reading this?" or "How interesting is my story idea?"
That's what a writer's community is.

I won't say the unabashed exchange of ideas without feeling they would be shamed people, regardless of their motive and reason for asking said question, is a good thing.

But I don't think people should stop, because regardless of motive and result, it's communication, and writers talking to other writers is a good thing, even if it's the shittiest of shitty topics it is.

Maybe that's just me.

At the same time, I do have the uncanny ability to ignore threads I am not interested in, so I may be seeing it differently.
 

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That's what a writer's community is.

I won't say the unabashed exchange of ideas without feeling they would be shamed people, regardless of their motive and reason for asking said question, is a good thing.

But I don't think people should stop, because regardless of motive and result, it's communication, and writers talking to other writers is a good thing, even if it's the shittiest of shitty topics it is.

Maybe that's just me.

At the same time, I do have the uncanny ability to ignore threads I am not interested in, so I may be seeing it differently.
My personal take is that not all communication is necessarily constructive or conducive to achieving a goal. The question itself puts the potential author into a space where they are more likely to fail than if they didn't ask it.

I also don't advise people to go to reddit to ask for investing advice. I believe the way the question is generally asked results in them getting answers that lead to failure.
 

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My personal take is that not all communication is necessarily constructive or conducive to achieving a goal. The question itself puts the potential author into a space where they are more likely to fail than if they didn't ask it.

It's not always a blanket sort of situation. Many people are exceptionally good at taking criticism, they may even need it to understand where their going wrong, simply because their brain might not be wired to 'see' their own flaws, or even issues.

It might be better to say that new authors should focus on writing, as you mentioned. Yet, somewhere, there is a breaking point. Without actively trying to seek what, for some, is very hard to get (feedback), they might never actually improve as a writer, or worse, might never even realize what they are doing that turns people away.

There's a delicate balance between tearing people apart for sh*ts and giggles, and providing constructive and informed feedback. And it comes down to context as to 'what' is asked for. I'm sure there are lots of people who spend all night, every night, worrying over what people think of their work, only to realise nobody looked at it in the first place.

And that--that shit is devestating.
 
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My personal take is that not all communication is necessarily constructive or conducive to achieving a goal.
Yes
The question itself puts the potential author into a space where they are more likely to fail than if they didn't ask it.
Yep
I also don't advise people to go to reddit to ask for investing advice.
Yeah
I believe the way the question is generally asked results in them getting answers that lead to failure.
Yep

That's what a forum is.

And I'd say... doing things that are not constructive or conducive to achieving a goal is a big part of being a writer.

Drafts, rewriting, recognising what is not working and redoing it is a good thing, I think.

And asking unhelpful questions... well, I believe it's helpful in other... less immediate ways. I think

If writers stop at their first stupid question and stop and get stuck, maybe they should not be writers.

Maybe that is too Darwinistic... or cruel

Sidenote:
And honestly, writers, in my experience, don't tend to like being told things they don't already agree with. They do like realising things on their own, and then reaffirming with people, and feel like a boss.

But then again, I have not met a lot of authors/writers.

People make a thread, "Should I rewrite?" They know, second post in after asking for elaboration, you'd find they have always known.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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I think it's not just about asking questions, but also wearing a mask of false pretense and spamming. I love helping people out and giving pointers, but the receiver should at least have some interest and be sincere in their objective.

The number of "authors" who claim to be passionate about their project but let the butler do most of the work is abysmally high to the point where I don't even click on those threads anymore, as they are just a waste of time. They ask the question not because they want to improve....they can't improve, after all, they don't do the work. They ask it to clear their minds and manipulate themselves.

That being said, I don't think those who really want tips and feedback should stop asking. We have many helpful supporters here on this website who always answer those, but instead of asking for every small thing, they could at least look if the question was asked before.
 

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It isn't an issue that warrants a PSA in my opinion. Some people who are only starting out want to discuss their ideas or get a confidence boost -- absolutely nothing is criminal about that.

Of course it would be absolutely better for them to instead roll up their sleeves and get to work, but the forum is predominately a place for socialization, and that seems to me like an opener to forging some kind of a new relationship with other people. No harm done. Well, perhaps someone is irritated by witnessing those posts, but whatever.
 
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