Picking insane mana pool or insane mana regeneration

[NotaNuffian]

This is a discussion, NOT A WRITING PROMPT.

So I was planning a poll between skilled but weak and strong but unskilled, featuring skilled being able to know how not to fuck up your punches due to fist placement, location of attack and etc. The notion of weak and strong being your body being frail like a starving child in Africa and strong as roided up gym fanatic, so it means that the two answers for you to choose is either a battle tactician who has brittle bones versus a barbarian berserker who only rush B. This type of comparision disregarded growth and purposely polarising traits that could synergize with one another, like being Batman or being someone both weak and unskilled, so I decided to not do that poll.

Instead I decided to do a poll that ask whether you want a large mana pool but with regen rate slower than the download speed from old LAN lines or a tiny ass mana pool that never seems to run out. Also, things that replenish and/ or store mana does not exist, so no cheating with chugging gatorade while casting nuke or pouring mana into a stone to cast nuke. Furthermore, no future growth in size of mana pool or speed of regen rate.

For context as a DPS, limited amount of nukes versus unlimited fireball works.

For another context as a healer, limited amount of resurrections versus heal spam.

 

[Minx]

Regen cause people will look down on him when it was known that he has a low mana pool unlike everyone else—you know where I'm going, it's a good face slapping trope. They will underestimate him without a doubt.

 

[Sola-sama]

Definitely regen. Ancient human outlast their prey, not outspeed nor overpowered them. Since ancient tactic works, why bother changing.

 

[Ilikewaterkusa]

This is a discussion, NOT A WRITING PROMPT.

So I was planning a poll between skilled but weak and strong but unskilled, featuring skilled being able to know how not to fuck up your punches due to fist placement, location of attack and etc. The notion of weak and strong being your body being frail like a starving child in Africa and strong as roided up gym fanatic, so it means that the two answers for you to choose is either a battle tactician who has brittle bones versus a barbarian berserker who only rush B. This type of comparision disregarded growth and purposely polarising traits that could synergize with one another, like being Batman or being someone both weak and unskilled, so I decided to not do that poll.

Instead I decided to do a poll that ask whether you want a large mana pool but with regen rate slower than the download speed from old LAN lines or a tiny ass mana pool that never seems to run out. Also, things that replenish and/ or store mana does not exist, so no cheating with chugging gatorade while casting nuke or pouring mana into a stone to cast nuke. Furthermore, no future growth in size of mana pool or speed of regen rate.

For context as a DPS, limited amount of nukes versus unlimited fireball works.

For another context as a healer, limited amount of resurrections versus heal spam.

Regen because it’s gonna be like piss. Its small but it comes out fast and piles up quick

 

[farmer]

Depends on what I can do to fix the problem.
If there's a mana storage device I could carry then I'd get the regen.
If I could just suck out mana from mana stones instead of having to rely of my terrible regen, I'd pick the mana pool.

 

[expentio]

The good old "Noita" problem.
Really depends on what you can do with either and which spells are there available. If you for example have just enough to get by with the stronger spells then regen would be better since you're able to spam. If you're crippled to the basics, but can machinegun them it might still be worth considering, but on the other hand, usually a fighting situation is short and over once the big stuff was used. Also, I usually want to avoid replenishing items as relying on tools makes you dependent.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Depends on what I can do to fix the problem.
If there's a mana storage device I could carry then I'd get the regen.
If I could just suck out mana from mana stones instead of having to rely of my terrible regen, I'd pick the mana pool.

 

[AryaX]

Would I be correct to assume that each spell requires a certain amount of mana to cast ??
And bigger, more powerful and advanced spells require more mana ??
And the tiny ass mana pool is too tiny to cast anything at all ??
Or anything but the weakest, smallest, tiny ass spells ??

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Definitely regen. Ancient human outlast their prey, not outspeed nor overpowered them. Since ancient tactic works, why bother changing.

Cus 5 units of mana wont allow you to use spells that cost ten. Basic spells are ass

Would I be correct to assume that each spell requires a certain amount of mana to cast ??
And bigger, more powerful and advanced spells require more mana ??
And the tiny ass mana pool is too tiny to cast anything at all ??
Or anything but the weakest, smallest, tiny ass spells ??

Otherwise the regen would really just be infinite mana in disguise so....

 

[ArcadiaBlade]

You know what they say in the ye old west.

*Tips Cowboy hat*

The quicker the man shoots, the faster he sends a man to the grave.

*Walks away with one hand shaped like a pistol*

 

[RepresentingCaution]

If the environment had things to pick up to replenish mana, I'd go with the pool, but that's clearly not the case here.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Would I be correct to assume that each spell requires a certain amount of mana to cast ??
And bigger, more powerful and advanced spells require more mana ??
And the tiny ass mana pool is too tiny to cast anything at all ??
Or anything but the weakest, smallest, tiny ass spells ??

Cus 5 units of mana wont allow you to use spells that cost ten. Basic spells are ass

Otherwise the regen would really just be infinite mana in disguise so....

Typed out in a rush, think of it like this, ROB gave you the user two numbers, a 10 (ten) and a 10,000,000,000,000 (ten trillion). Then he gave you two slots; one is for mana pool and another is for mana regen (x mana points per year) to put the two numbers in, each in one slot. So either you have a mana pool of 10 that regenerate up to 10,000,000,000,000 mana points in a year (or 317,098 mana points per second) and excess is considered a waste or a mana pool of 10,000,000,000,000 that takes a trillion years to fill up if completely emptied (or 36.5 days to get one mana point back) .

Low tier spells like fireball can cost up to five mana points while the highest twelve tier spell Karsus's Avatar that turns the user into a god (for a time frame I supposed) might take up the ten trillion at one go. Do not worry that the small ass mana pool can't even cast a low tier spell, it can.

 

[Arkus86]

How is mana fed to spells? Is required X ammount consumed instantly, or can it be fed to the spell at a rate of Y per second? I assume the former.

Huge mana pool has advantages if you need big spells, or more intermediate spells in short time, while you have plenty of time to reachrge after, when you're vulnerable.
Mana regen is more versatile, as you can spam smaller spells all the time, but lacks the burst power of large mana pool. They will never catch you empty, but a time might come where smaller smells just don't cut it anymore.

 

[NotaNuffian]

How is mana fed to spells? Is required X ammount consumed instantly, or can it be fed to the spell at a rate of Y per second? I assume the former.

Huge mana pool has advantages if you need big spells, or more intermediate spells in short time, while you have plenty of time to reachrge after, when you're vulnerable.
Mana regen is more versatile, as you can spam smaller spells all the time, but lacks the burst power of large mana pool. They will never catch you empty, but a time might come where smaller smells just don't cut it anymore.

Yeah, I am basically asking if you want a bottomless glock or a limited amount of nuclear ICBMs. Yes it is the former, I also disregard casting time and cooldowns. As long as you have the mana, you can just fire.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Typed out in a rush, think of it like this, ROB gave you the user two numbers, a 10 (ten) and a 10,000,000,000,000 (ten trillion). Then he gave you two slots; one is for mana pool and another is for mana regen (x mana points per year) to put the two numbers in, each in one slot. So either you have a mana pool of 10 that regenerate up to 10,000,000,000,000 mana points in a year (or 317,098 mana points per second) and excess is considered a waste or a mana pool of 10,000,000,000,000 that takes a trillion years to fill up if completely emptied (or 36.5 days to get one mana point back) .think of

Low tier spells like fireball can cost up to five mana points while the highest twelve tier spell Karsus's Avatar that turns the user into a god (for a time frame I supposed) might take up the ten trillion at one go. Do not worry that the small ass mana pool can't even cast a low tier spell, it can.

sure but all that wasnt in the equation. you're giving it too much thought for such a basic question with no details

.thinking of it in dark souls terms would probably be best here cuz its simple. You can spam low lvl spells and whittle away at their hp or use the big dick spells like four times in half the time depending on base regen speed without any buffs

1000 buttpokes vs five hulk smashes or whatever is what this amounts to,

i am not a patient man

its like fighting Yhorm without the Storm Ruler

 

[Echimera]

Is it possible to channel (low-tier) spells to make them stronger? Can I use (physical) buffs on myself that require a certain amount of mana to keep them active?
If either is the case, then the high regen would probably be better, though you'd either need people to guard you while you cast or you'll be among the best physical fighters around but not much of a mage.

Can a high tier spell be used for a permanent buff or transformation (biomancy)? Could such a spell be learned without wasting too much of the available mana?
If yes, the high pool might be the better choice.

If neither are reasonable scenarios, I'd probably pick one at random and go with a physical fighting style that throws in low level spells as distractions.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Is it possible to channel (low-tier) spells to make them stronger? Can I use (physical) buffs on myself that require a certain amount of mana to keep them active?
If either is the case, then the high regen would probably be better, though you'd either need people to guard you while you cast or you'll be among the best physical fighters around but not much of a mage.

Can a high tier spell be used for a permanent buff or transformation (biomancy)? Could such a spell be learned without wasting too much of the available mana?
If yes, the high pool might be the better choice.

If neither are reasonable scenarios, I'd probably pick one at random and go with a physical fighting style that throws in low level spells as distractions.

No.
Yes.

Yes?
Yes??

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Regen.

 

[Echimera]

No.
Yes.

Yes?
Yes??

So no channeling, but buffs are possible.
As long as their upkeep is fueled directly by my regen, a physical build would work.

On the other hand, dumping almost the whole pool into a permanent transformation into a dragonkin or a custom made humanoid chimera should be feasible too, even with limited to no access to magic afterwards. Probably depends on the availability of a master biomancer to set up most of the spell or teach me how to do it.

You know what, I'll go with the transformation, being human is overrated anyway.

 

[N0xiety]

Mana pool always wins if nothing can be done to circumvent the shortcomings. Meaning, there is no 10 minute spell casting to feed mana into the mana structure you build slowly. No external mana storage. No ritual magic with you drawing mana circuits on the ground. No enchantments on objects. You get the gist...

In which case, having a huge mana pool vs rapid regen is the difference between being able to cast a spell that can take down a dragon vs only being able to cast a forever spell that would tickle a dragon, till it decides it's bored of the massage and eats you. With the huge mana pool, you just need to win the fight, and then you can recover slowly. Not like you will have to fight dragons every day, and small fries that may want to kill you won't really affect your huge mana pool much as low level spells can handle them easy, or just have your servant knights handle them as you are a top level filthy rich grandmaster. For you, slow regen is a non problem in the long term. You just live your life as a top level vip and work a day or something out of a few months on top level jobs that pay a fortune, you are a winner at life.

With rapid regen, all you can do is struggle every day at the bottom, doing low level jobs since you can't cast powerful spells. All you can do is hunt small fires with the efficiency of a factory meat grinder. But the pay isn't much, so you have to do this every day of your life to be somewhat considered rich, even if you are the best small fry slaughterer that ever existed. The mage with the huge mana pool just works a day out of a few months, just kills a single dragon or troll, and makes more than a dozen times the money you make constantly running around at the bottom killing thousands of small fries for months...