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I think It's better If you don't understand this one

Yeah it's a good suggestion.
Actually, I have also done that currently. Butnya know, as an author....we can see what happen behind the scene. This really killing my free time to be trapped in "dreamland"
Btw, the culture was too good for my mental health
Well, I'm writing two different novels at the same time.
Once has zero to no sex scenes, or only sex behind the scenes, while the other is full on smut.
I alternate between both of them scene by scene, edit by edit.

What I'm posting on SH is relationship smut. What I'm working on in seriousness which focuses more on plot, characters and story I plan to publish on Amazon. It gets it out of my system so I don't have bizarre thoughts on what I'm writing seriously.
 

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Is there a way to write a romance without being effected by, *ehem*, lust?
I do want an affection, a true love... Not a horny feeling that keep polute my healthy mind and keep me day dreaming everytime in a while.

Just in case,
I am not watching a H and something simmilar in time being Even I fully aware about how many they are in this site.
Romance between two grandparents that got reborn in another world. They are too pure to know lust
 
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Is there a way to write a romance without being effected by, *ehem*, lust?

Not to be rude but... have you ever been in love?
Like, not want to fuck, but, you find yourself wondering what she's thinking about? You wonder if she's doing okay? To ever have a panic attack just because you had a bad feeling and were worried that maybe something happened to her?

Ever had something happen to her?

Ever sat next to a hospital bed for nights on end because the staff knew that the term "visiting hours" doesn't apply to you? Ever been told that she was dying? She ever tell you the only reason she isn't killing herself and ending her pain is because of you? Because she knows how devastating it would be if she left you alone? Ever felt the guilt that comes with knowing someone is in constant pain just because of you?

Ever sat in a booth and talked and didn't even care how long it took because time isn't a concern when she is around? Ever write a story just to make someone smile? Ever build someone a world for them to walk around in? Ever improve a skill or talent or ability just to be better for THEM?

Ever been betrayed?

Ever have someone marry someone else behind your back? Ever plan your world around someone only to find out they weren't on the same page as you? Ever wonder why there is a difference between being a nice guy and a good guy?

Have you ever been in love?
 

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Ah, I got it... More or less...
This trully hit the point, thx.
Have any recommendation of novel where I could learn deeply about a that...step by step love?
Pls no BL, no matter how pure and flufy their feeling, I had my own personal trauma already.
Uhn... I dunno, most shoujo stuff should do the trick?

Like, Cardcaptor Sakura is a good classic example that shows romance without any lust being there.

For more recent examples... Uhn... I'm mostly reading GL these days and not much Shoujo, so... https://mangadex.org/title/0e8fac17-979e-4e37-8f45-2c334b25d6dd/whispering-you-a-love-song is a good one that came to my head.

For actual Shoujos, you can try https://mangadex.org/title/b891b872-ee9c-4daf-a187-62fe7c777445/colette-wa-shinu-koto-ni-shita and https://mangadex.org/title/911a12ae-1022-448e-9219-b7b294d7fb3e/love-so-life . Both of which use characters that are older than the ones in Cardcaptor Sakura, so you can see it from the perspective of more adult and less childish characters.

For novels though... I really ain't reading many novels these days... Well, there is this one https://www.novelupdates.com/series/i-favor-the-villainess/

Oh, and you can also try this one, though the focus isn't romance, it still has romantic moments: https://www.novelupdates.com/series/kenkyo-kenjitsu-o-motto-ni-ikite-orimasu/
 

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You're awfully placing romance and lust in the same concept. I say you better take a break and explore their obvious differences yourself for a day or two, or more if needed. Don't just clutch your neck trying to get an idea that doesn't frustrate you.

Well, the problem is they are connected.

If we're going from a biological standpoint, your average male isn't interested sexually until puberty, then biologically, until age 25, he wants to have sex. Then the hormones ebb. IF the male has been engaging in a lot of sex or masturbation, he might develop a psychological addiction to the idea of sex. Most men who are horny over the age of 30 are that way because... they think they SHOULD be horny.

Trust me. If men weren't horny, there's a good chance society would collapse. If I didn't have that urge as a kid, I don't know if I would have EVER put up with the shit that women do. There is almost no PROFIT for a male to have a relationship with a female, unless you want children. That's it. There is no economic reason, and in America, there is not LEGAL reason. Getting married really sucks for men under the law. It's a horrible deal.

Also, males are more likely to become 'possessively' in love. What I mean is, a male tends to fall in love then focus on that female. When they break up, it usually hurts the male emotionally far more than females. No. Seriously. There have been studies. Women 'get over it' far faster then men.

Women are the ones who gatekeep access to sex, but men are the ones who gatekeep access to relationships. The male wants access to those eggs. The woman wants access to a man who would be a good mate.

Now we come to: LOVE IS JUST CHEMICALS IN YER BRAIN.

Bull.

All you are talking about is the operating system. If you felt the same way, but were a computer, would love 'JUST BE ELECTRONS'? Just because we understand how the process works on a mechanical level, doesn't mean it isn't real.

So, you can try to separate the two, but they don't exist without each other.
 

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Is there a way to write a romance without being effected by, *ehem*, lust?
I do want an affection, a true love... Not a horny feeling that keep polute my healthy mind and keep me day dreaming everytime in a while.

Just in case,
I am not watching a H and something simmilar in time being Even I fully aware about how many they are in this site.
beat your dick BEFORE and AFTER you write, not DURING it.
 

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Well, I'm writing two different novels at the same time.
Once has zero to no sex scenes, or only sex behind the scenes, while the other is full on smut.
I alternate between both of them scene by scene, edit by edit.

What I'm posting on SH is relationship smut. What I'm working on in seriousness which focuses more on plot, characters and story I plan to publish on Amazon. It gets it out of my system so I don't have bizarre thoughts on what I'm writing seriously.
To release the urges behind scene or on other series, I Will consider this solution

“Love without lust is boring, for those in love will always be horny at the sight of their loved one”—me.
I found a friend
You're awfully placing romance and lust in the same concept. I say you better take a break and explore their obvious differences yourself for a day or two, or more if needed. Don't just clutch your neck trying to get an idea that doesn't frustrate you.
And enemy at the Same time

i put my novel in fantasy-romance genre.
But for some reason everyone doubts the 'romance' tag.
Might happen to me too, "might"

Romance between two grandparents that got reborn in another world. They are too pure to know lust
Both? Reborn? I do smell an NTR

>grandparents
From a random nursing house?
All of them at once?
That would be a new concepts of story'...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!
I know right??
Not to be rude but... have you ever been in love?
Like, not want to fuck, but, you find yourself wondering what she's thinking about? You wonder if she's doing okay? To ever have a panic attack just because you had a bad feeling and were worried that maybe something happened to her?

Ever had something happen to her?

Ever sat next to a hospital bed for nights on end because the staff knew that the term "visiting hours" doesn't apply to you? Ever been told that she was dying? She ever tell you the only reason she isn't killing herself and ending her pain is because of you? Because she knows how devastating it would be if she left you alone? Ever felt the guilt that comes with knowing someone is in constant pain just because of you?

Ever sat in a booth and talked and didn't even care how long it took because time isn't a concern when she is around? Ever write a story just to make someone smile? Ever build someone a world for them to walk around in? Ever improve a skill or talent or ability just to be better for THEM?

Ever been betrayed?

Ever have someone marry someone else behind your back? Ever plan your world around someone only to find out they weren't on the same page as you? Ever wonder why there is a difference between being a nice guy and a good guy?

Have you ever been in love?
I am not that young to not have all of those experience as a part in my life...but the hospital part, itnwas her parent there, not herself.
But, hey, I wonder how could you give me those exact almost irls example.
Uhn... I dunno, most shoujo stuff should do the trick?

Like, Cardcaptor Sakura is a good classic example that shows romance without any lust being there.

For more recent examples... Uhn... I'm mostly reading GL these days and not much Shoujo, so... https://mangadex.org/title/0e8fac17-979e-4e37-8f45-2c334b25d6dd/whispering-you-a-love-song is a good one that came to my head.

For actual Shoujos, you can try https://mangadex.org/title/b891b872-ee9c-4daf-a187-62fe7c777445/colette-wa-shinu-koto-ni-shita and https://mangadex.org/title/911a12ae-1022-448e-9219-b7b294d7fb3e/love-so-life . Both of which use characters that are older than the ones in Cardcaptor Sakura, so you can see it from the perspective of more adult and less childish characters.

For novels though... I really ain't reading many novels these days... Well, there is this one https://www.novelupdates.com/series/i-favor-the-villainess/

Oh, and you can also try this one, though the focus isn't romance, it still has romantic moments: https://www.novelupdates.com/series/kenkyo-kenjitsu-o-motto-ni-ikite-orimasu/
Aye senpai,
I would try to learn all about you, *ehem*, about your suggested story' uwu
It might be fun to try to learn what love is from different prefective
Sankyuu very much~
Well, the problem is they are connected.

If we're going from a biological standpoint, your average male isn't interested sexually until puberty, then biologically, until age 25, he wants to have sex. Then the hormones ebb. IF the male has been engaging in a lot of sex or masturbation, he might develop a psychological addiction to the idea of sex. Most men who are horny over the age of 30 are that way because... they think they SHOULD be horny.

Trust me. If men weren't horny, there's a good chance society would collapse. If I didn't have that urge as a kid, I don't know if I would have EVER put up with the shit that women do. There is almost no PROFIT for a male to have a relationship with a female, unless you want children. That's it. There is no economic reason, and in America, there is not LEGAL reason. Getting married really sucks for men under the law. It's a horrible deal.

Also, males are more likely to become 'possessively' in love. What I mean is, a male tends to fall in love then focus on that female. When they break up, it usually hurts the male emotionally far more than females. No. Seriously. There have been studies. Women 'get over it' far faster then men.

Women are the ones who gatekeep access to sex, but men are the ones who gatekeep access to relationships. The male wants access to those eggs. The woman wants access to a man who would be a good mate.

Now we come to: LOVE IS JUST CHEMICALS IN YER BRAIN.

Bull.

All you are talking about is the operating system. If you felt the same way, but were a computer, would love 'JUST BE ELECTRONS'? Just because we understand how the process works on a mechanical level, doesn't mean it isn't real.

So, you can try to separate the two, but they don't exist without each other.
Uhum, sensei...
I did agree with almost all parts,
But, I personally think that you should use kinder language as, you know, there was someone who Will personally take your lesson in negative way of thingking, such as hate.
beat your dick BEFORE and AFTER you write, not DURING it.
Be patient pls,
Use argument and opinion to answer other's, not by 'only' using attacking stance without telling any base reason.
But yeah, I hope no one have quarrel with each other because of my threat...
I was the horny one here, I should be the one that was blamed for that...
Welp?
I need to go work and will not able to respond for a moment
See you guys in about 14 hours later.
 
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Not to be rude but... have you ever been in love?
Like, not want to fuck, but, you find yourself wondering what she's thinking about? You wonder if she's doing okay? To ever have a panic attack just because you had a bad feeling and were worried that maybe something happened to her?

Ever had something happen to her?

Ever sat next to a hospital bed for nights on end because the staff knew that the term "visiting hours" doesn't apply to you? Ever been told that she was dying? She ever tell you the only reason she isn't killing herself and ending her pain is because of you? Because she knows how devastating it would be if she left you alone? Ever felt the guilt that comes with knowing someone is in constant pain just because of you?

Ever sat in a booth and talked and didn't even care how long it took because time isn't a concern when she is around? Ever write a story just to make someone smile? Ever build someone a world for them to walk around in? Ever improve a skill or talent or ability just to be better for THEM?

Ever been betrayed?

Ever have someone marry someone else behind your back? Ever plan your world around someone only to find out they weren't on the same page as you? Ever wonder why there is a difference between being a nice guy and a good guy?

Have you ever been in love?
Well, thanks for ruining my day :(
 

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I dunno. It's not like anyone else in the history of ever has written any non lust-based romance stories.

If only there was an anime/manga, or American live action rom-com, or English novel out there that someone could use for an example.

(Ok. Actually, scratch the English romance novels. Those things actually can get pretty horny.)
 

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Romantic Love and lust are connected, you can't separate them, although you can focus on one for writing purposes. I'm not a romance writer or reader, but I would focus on the love part of the equation as it gives more opportunities for emotional expression, which is important.

You need to make your reader experience those intense emotions, the illogical sensation of caring more for someone other than yourself, that terrifying feeling twisting your insides every time you see him/her, your cheeks heating up every time he/she smiles, the violent battering of your heart inside your chest when he/she touches your hand, the soft yet electrifying contact of his/her lips caressing yours, oh, use your imagination!

The Lust part is easier to do as its focuses on physical attraction, but it is better if it is connected with love. Anyone can lust after a hot body in a nightclub, but when there is a connection between two people it intensifies the reading experience. Human beings carve for love and affection, not only lust but what do I know anyway? I'm just a lonely dinosaur.
 

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I can't say much for your desires, but I believe genuine lasting love is based on each person truly respecting and admiring the other followed by physical attraction. My suggestion would be to start platonically and go slowly. begin with coming up with reasons for both of your characters to admire the others personal traits before you add the realization of more passionate feelings. Build characters who first like each other for who they are as people before you think of what comes after.
 

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Masturbation is good for you. Search "Is Masturbation Good For You?" on Youtube and watch the AsapScience video.
 

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Well, thanks for ruining my day :(
Why?

I've been with my wife, including dating, for 27 years. Before her was... a mistake. The one before her, I wanted to live with for the rest of my life, but she didn't feel the same way. She married someone else while I was at college and I didn't find out until I got home. I wouldn't change a single line. Not one note. The pain and the joy are both sides of the same coin.

Or are you referring to yourself?
Am I honestly supposed to believe you have never been in love? You've been in love, just not the way I have been.

You may have made a friend that you thought would last forever.
You may have had a pet that sat on your head at night and sneezed snot on you while you slept.
You may have known the love of your parents, or sister, or brother, or uncle.

You might have met someone on line who just "got" you. You have never seen them face to face, but you know this person is worthy of the emotion of love.

You're human. You can 'bond' with anything. You can come to feel love for a moth, or a coat, or a person.

We just happen to be discussing love between a man and a woman.

Look, I'm sorry, but this is WRITING. This isn't safe. This isn't 'fun'. You are taking words and putting them to paper with the intent of conveying an EMOTION to someone. That's not safe. This isn't easy. I don't care what emotion your goal is, it's dangerous. If you want to get good at this, you're going to be taking risks.

You are going to get hurt.

Guess what?

That's what love is all about.

It's about caring about something enough to risk getting hurt for that thing. You can love someone, or love something, or love a concept, or love what you do, or love your job, or love... just about anything.

Love is caring in a positive way.

One cannot love if one does not care. This is often why we have that Trope of "They Hate Each Other So Much They Wind Up Fucking"

I cannot HATE you if I don't care about you. I just care about you in a negative fashion. The more you care, the more intense the emotion, the more you come to understand the target of your "caring" The more you hate something, the more you understand it, and the easier it is to flip that feeling to love, because it would be such a RELIEF to finally purge yourself of all that negativity.

And if you deeply, TRULY love someone... Trust me...

Nobody can hurt you deeper than that person.

Michael tore my heart out and ripped it to pieces in front of me. I went from 'Love deeper than the sea" to "I will never forgive you as long as I live" in a single word uttered from her lips.

This is why it is tied to sex. Because sex is special. It is a deep part of ourselves and to trivialize it is to trivialize our own worth.

The average woman finds only 20% of men above average in appearance, and the average man sees 50% of women above average. By definition, the average woman should see 50% of men as above average. They don't. Why? Men chase women. Women don't have to put forth effort to attract man, so they can afford to be picky. If you include other factors, this means about 50% of the women out there would have to put forth little to no effort to get laid, where as, because of other factors, only about 10% of men find it easy to get laid. (It's complicated. Trust the science)

When you sleep around, it only takes 3 partners in a row to establish a pattern. If you treat three partners the same way, your brain develops expectations and chemically speaking, it gets harder to 'fall in love'. This is where you get your peter pan syndrome. The man-child who never grows up, but that's only 10% of the male population at risk.

50% of the female population is at risk.

A woman has sex with say 10 guys and then asks, "Why do my relationships never work out?" It's because you TRAINED your BRAIN to not fall in love. It happens to men, but we just don't have the same opportunities as women.

Conversely, when you have a male with a stabile relationship, about age 30+, they start being more appealing to women. Women at that age get more desperate, so they become the aggressive ones. Men, who have NEVER really been chased by women, suddenly start getting hit on.

And we have NO CLUE how to handle it.

Woman have lots of experience with being chased. It's no big deal. Assuming the woman in question hasn't sabotaged her dopamine receptors, if she's in a long term relationship, she finds it easy to shrug off being hit on. The man, on the other hand, has no clue what to do. It's a completely alien concept.

And so we have the mid-life crisis that results in males in perfectly good relationships cheating on their partners.

Why? Because we aren't HONEST with people. We don't teach kids how the brain works and how it influences how we develop and how we form relationships. We lie to our kids and say, "You can be anything when you grow up!" and "Follow your dreams!" and "You choose what you are!"

No.

You have limits. You have strengths and weaknesses. You can be 'anything' when you grow up, but you will SUCK at being most of those things. Following your dreams is fine, AFTER you have secured yourself and provided for a healthy mind, body, and a job to provide for yourself and/or others.

You can choose what you are, within limited parameters. You can only be as nice as the world allows you to be. I don't think anyone in Ukraine right now as the option to be an astronaut.

It's also the same thing with love.

My advice? Don't go it alone. You have parents, talk to them. You have friends, get their opinions. Sex is special. Don't treat it like a commodity. Don't sell yourself on OnlyFans as you worth far more than they'd pay. Trust me, they make a profit SOMEHOW. Don't sleep around just because you can, because, honestly, if I could go back in time, I'd skip over both of the first two women I was with. I'm worse for having spent my time with them.

And that's not to say if you have a body count in the 200's, you are worthless. You aren't, you just haven't done yourself any favors. It takes a lot of work to fix someone like that so they can learn how to be happy and love someone else. My wife didn't love herself. It took a few years to wear her down, but eventually I convinced her that she was special. In retrospect, I suppose I should have found someone "better", but the truth is, I was an idealistic fool and I was going to "save" her. If you asked her, I think she would tell you I did.

It's been rough, but like I said, I wouldn't change a single line, not one note.

The secret is, she helped me as well. I saved her, she saved me. The problem with romance stories is that usually it's a fantasy and that sells. But we usually tell it from one point of view, and normally it is 'Man sacrifices everything for woman." When that will never work. She needs to put in work as well. Love is work. We lie to people in our romances and say, "And they live happily ever after."

No.

Reality is, "And they lived happily." Time moves on, entropy occurs, bad things happen. If they both don't work at it, it won't work. One side sacrificing all time and you are doomed to fail. Because someone has to pay the bills, someone has to get a job, someone has to raise the kids, someone has to change the diapers, someone has to get up at 3am to feed the baby, someone has to take care of a hundred annoying things.

It is easier when you share the load.
Nothing builds a bond like walking through hell with someone else.
The pain you endure today becomes the joke you share tomorrow.

Sorry I ruined your day.
I hope it improves.
All I can say is, I have yet to meet someone who was truly unworthy of love. If you wish to be loved, then may I recommend you work on your self-esteem first. I'm pushing fifty and I can say, from personal experience:

Orgasms do not lead to self-esteem.
Living a life I can be proud of leads to self-esteem.
I live a life of virtue and personal honor this is what I am proud of.
I can look in my mirror and NOT hate that man.
Pride is the single most expensive thing I own.
Sometimes I must sacrifice it for those I care about, and I do not let it go cheap.
But I will not sacrifice my pride for something as meaningless as pleasure.

Defer gratification for a better tomorrow.

These are the foundations I have built myself upon and what made it possible to enjoy the love I know.

It's work, but I don't know an easier way.

I hope that helps.
 

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Is there a way to write a romance without being effected by, *ehem*, lust?
Focus on the romantic attraction rather than the physical attraction. If you can manage it, the romance will come across as way stronger than the typical lust relationship you might see. It'll be a strong story.
 
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