NTR'ing the Readers

[Sabruness]

 

[CupcakeNinja]

A full-on jerk getting the girl would be more grating to the readers I believe.

But, humanizing them could also work. There are many, I do mean many, readers who self insert themselves into the first average looking, perhaps a bit of a loser looking, boy they could find. For example, the boy from "The Executioner and Her Way of Life", his name is Mitsuki I believe.

Spoiler: Mitsuki and the self inserts (1st Episode spoilers)

Mitsuki's the 'fake' protagonist who appears in the first half of the episode. He got transported to an isekai, got told by the kingdom that his power is 'null' and was promptly kicked out of the castle. He met a nice girl who helped him learn that his power was actually powerful. Then, he got killed by that same nice girl who was actually the real MC, an executioner tasked with killing people who got transported into the fantasy world.

Mitsuki was portrayed as an slightly arrogant school boy, who believes he's finally the main character of the story and was ecstatic. But, when killed, his true thoughts was revealed. "If I erase everything, I can change this world to fit me." In other words, he's a selfish narcissistic kid, although it's only hinted at subtly.

Problem is, many viewers dropped the series after that scene where Mitsuki was "betrayed" by the real MC. They kept calling him the good guy and the real MC a bitch. Some even watched the series to the end just to see this guy get revived so he could kill the real MC. The fact that people self-inserted themselves to the most random ass boring character that's only on screen for like 8 minutes is baffling.

The reason the MC killed him was understandable as well, as leaving him alive would endanger millions of lives, but the "viewers/readers" of the story kept trying to say that killing him was a bad choice and demand him to return to the story. I shall remind you that he only appears for 8 minutes in the anime and barely a chapter in the novel.

TLDR: Some people will self insert themselves into anyone resembling them, even if the character's a loser, a jerk, etc. So even if your 'Bull' is symphatizable, most readers would still hate him because they'll subconsciously self insert themselves into the 'Hero'. (Would be more effective if you portray your story as a generic fantasy or even a power fantasy.)

oh yeah i read that manga but quit first chapter too....not cuz the betrayal but cuz i aint into female protagonists unless im reading romance or erotica.

they are right too, its a common villain origin story and coulda have been neat to have him come back to bite the MC in her ass. its what i woulda done. Have rhem actually get fucked from past choices is what im all about, yo. Love my MCs to suffer.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

Ntr can be reasonable that was just being disgusting just to be disgusting

Great, I found OP's target audience.

 

[ForestDweller]

A full-on jerk getting the girl would be more grating to the readers I believe.

But, humanizing them could also work. There are many, I do mean many, readers who self insert themselves into the first average looking, perhaps a bit of a loser looking, boy they could find. For example, the boy from "The Executioner and Her Way of Life", his name is Mitsuki I believe.

Spoiler: Mitsuki and the self inserts (1st Episode spoilers)

Mitsuki's the 'fake' protagonist who appears in the first half of the episode. He got transported to an isekai, got told by the kingdom that his power is 'null' and was promptly kicked out of the castle. He met a nice girl who helped him learn that his power was actually powerful. Then, he got killed by that same nice girl who was actually the real MC, an executioner tasked with killing people who got transported into the fantasy world.

Mitsuki was portrayed as an slightly arrogant school boy, who believes he's finally the main character of the story and was ecstatic. But, when killed, his true thoughts was revealed. "If I erase everything, I can change this world to fit me." In other words, he's a selfish narcissistic kid, although it's only hinted at subtly.

Problem is, many viewers dropped the series after that scene where Mitsuki was "betrayed" by the real MC. They kept calling him the good guy and the real MC a bitch. Some even watched the series to the end just to see this guy get revived so he could kill the real MC. The fact that people self-inserted themselves to the most random ass boring character that's only on screen for like 8 minutes is baffling.

The reason the MC killed him was understandable as well, as leaving him alive would endanger millions of lives, but the "viewers/readers" of the story kept trying to say that killing him was a bad choice and demand him to return to the story. I shall remind you that he only appears for 8 minutes in the anime and barely a chapter in the novel.

TLDR: Some people will self insert themselves into anyone resembling them, even if the character's a loser, a jerk, etc. So even if your 'Bull' is symphatizable, most readers would still hate him because they'll subconsciously self insert themselves into the 'Hero'. (Would be more effective if you portray your story as a generic fantasy or even a power fantasy.)

Heh, that story sounds kinda unfair since the mc was isekaied without his consent.

But I guess it's ok since it's for "the greater good".

 

[Iccang]

Okay, so i've recently got into writing again after a couple failed fantasy novels (i still havent given up on them, i just need to fix them), and I created the plot outline for a new novel. In some ways, its less ambitious than my previous novel attempts - in some ways, its more ambitious. Its not a huge fantasy epic like I was first trying to write. I was trying to write a huge fantasy epic like 'Game of Thrones' or Robert Jordan's 'Wheel of Time saga'. But that's a lot for a new author to take on... Plus, I kept wanting to turn my fantasy novels into smut/erotica. Rather than awesome action stories, I found that i'm better at writing drama instead.

So, I decided to try my hand at a different genre...

N.T.R. (If you are new to japanese/degenerate culture and dont know what NTR is, then I salute you)

I want to write a NTR story so brutal that readers will shut their phones off in disgust after leaving walls of text in the comments about how stupid I am and how bad my story is. I want more 1 star ratings than K5Rakitan. I want them to rage into their keyboards and send death threats at me - but I want to keep them coming back to read despite their self-disgust. Like watching a train-wreck, a well written NTR keeps people reading until the end, because they want to see just how badly things turn out.

So my plan is to have two main characters - The first character is the 'cuck' who will follow the classic 'Hero's Journey' plotline, except I will subvert it by having him lose to the antagonist at almost every turn (but win just enough to give the readers hope).
The second protagonist is the 'bull', who will act as the antagonist in the hero's plotline, but his own plotline will be an anti-hero revenge plotline.

The idea is to have the NTR aspect of the story almost completely hidden from the readers, until about a quarter of the way through the novel - BAM! Surprise NTR! I wont tag it with any cheating/NTR tag so the readers will have no clue except for the story breadcrumbs I plan to leave... They should think its just another typical harem fantasy with a beta-male lead (there are literally a million of those kinds of stories - the loser getting the girls and defeating the enemies despite never earning them).

The most difficult part seems like it would be the balancing act between making the readers feel sympathy for the cuck, and humanizing the bull enough that readers want to care enough about why he does these terrible things to the 'mc'.

And as for why I'm writing this vile trash... Its hilarious, I like to mess with people. (and i'm a degenerate) Honestly, Ive never had so much fun making a concept for a novel before. I'm having trouble coming up with a name though... I'm currently thinking "Invidia's Fall" or something similar. (Invidia is latin for envy)

Why ntr considered trash?
Because it's sinful and opened the probability to make people cheat in their rl relationship

And if you write sinful things like s*x scene
Than you are a sinner writer

Be it in islam and cristian faith

Read your holy book, and ponder if what you do is sin or not

And "i like to mess people" told much about how sinful your personality is.

 

[Zinless]

Heh, that story sounds kinda unfair since the mc was isekaied without his consent.

But I guess it's ok since it's for "the greater good".

The MC did apologize to him, there's really no other choice but to kill him. It's better than leaving him alive and letting his mind be consumed by the power and cause chaos (which always happens to the ones isekaied there).

I have my criticism for the story as well, mostly in the romance. But people defending Mitsuki for being 'a great character' when he barely has 8 minutes of screentime always screams 'weird' to me.

oh yeah i read that manga but quit first chapter too....not cuz the betrayal but cuz i aint into female protagonists unless im reading romance or erotica.

they are right too, its a common villain origin story and coulda have been neat to have him come back to bite the MC in her ass. its what i woulda done. Have rhem actually get fucked from past choices is what im all about, yo. Love my MCs to suffer.

I recommend Talentless Nana, it does that well with the MC suffering lots for it lol.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Why ntr considered trash?
Because it's sinful and opened the probability to make people cheat in their rl relationship

And if you write sinful things like s*x scene
Than you are a sinner writer

Be it in islam and cristian faith

Read your holy book, and ponder if what you do is sin or not

And "i like to mess people" told much about how sinful your personality is.

I am RepresentingEnvy. Very sinful, much bad. I didn't choose the vampy lifestyle. It chose me.

 

[SomethingStuffHappend]

Great, I found OP's target audience.

I’m not trying to say Ntr is good I’m saying that Ntr was at least better than the video TheEldritchGod posted.

 

[Zinless]

I am RepresentingEnvy. Very sinful, much bad. I didn't choose the vampy lifestyle. It chose me.

And I am Sinless, as per my name

 

[ForestDweller]

The MC did apologize to him, there's really no other choice but to kill him. It's better than leaving him alive and letting his mind be consumed by the power and cause chaos (which always happens to the ones isekaied there).

Might wanna do something about the kingdom that did the summoning ritual.

 

[Zinless]

Might wanna do something about the kingdom that did the summoning ritual.

Yeah, it's an illegal practice and the church already punished the king for it.

 

[ForestDweller]

Yeah, it's an illegal practice and the church already punished the king for it.

Catholic Church moment.

 

[Theirl]

Okay, so i've recently got into writing again after a couple failed fantasy novels (i still havent given up on them, i just need to fix them), and I created the plot outline for a new novel. In some ways, its less ambitious than my previous novel attempts - in some ways, its more ambitious. Its not a huge fantasy epic like I was first trying to write. I was trying to write a huge fantasy epic like 'Game of Thrones' or Robert Jordan's 'Wheel of Time saga'. But that's a lot for a new author to take on... Plus, I kept wanting to turn my fantasy novels into smut/erotica. Rather than awesome action stories, I found that i'm better at writing drama instead.

So, I decided to try my hand at a different genre...

N.T.R. (If you are new to japanese/degenerate culture and dont know what NTR is, then I salute you)

I want to write a NTR story so brutal that readers will shut their phones off in disgust after leaving walls of text in the comments about how stupid I am and how bad my story is. I want more 1 star ratings than K5Rakitan. I want them to rage into their keyboards and send death threats at me - but I want to keep them coming back to read despite their self-disgust. Like watching a train-wreck, a well written NTR keeps people reading until the end, because they want to see just how badly things turn out.

So my plan is to have two main characters - The first character is the 'cuck' who will follow the classic 'Hero's Journey' plotline, except I will subvert it by having him lose to the antagonist at almost every turn (but win just enough to give the readers hope).
The second protagonist is the 'bull', who will act as the antagonist in the hero's plotline, but his own plotline will be an anti-hero revenge plotline.

The idea is to have the NTR aspect of the story almost completely hidden from the readers, until about a quarter of the way through the novel - BAM! Surprise NTR! I wont tag it with any cheating/NTR tag so the readers will have no clue except for the story breadcrumbs I plan to leave... They should think its just another typical harem fantasy with a beta-male lead (there are literally a million of those kinds of stories - the loser getting the girls and defeating the enemies despite never earning them).

The most difficult part seems like it would be the balancing act between making the readers feel sympathy for the cuck, and humanizing the bull enough that readers want to care enough about why he does these terrible things to the 'mc'.

And as for why I'm writing this vile trash... Its hilarious, I like to mess with people. (and i'm a degenerate) Honestly, Ive never had so much fun making a concept for a novel before. I'm having trouble coming up with a name though... I'm currently thinking "Invidia's Fall" or something similar. (Invidia is latin for envy)

hard to make it a surprise after u posted this here lol

 

[Deleted member 113259]

hard to make it a surprise after u posted this here lol

Nah readers don't use the forums.

 

[ForestDweller]

Honestly, it's not too hard to make your readers rage these days. Anything bad happening to the MC is usually enough.

 

[TheEldritchGod]

I’m not trying to say Ntr is good I’m saying that Ntr was at least better than the video TheEldritchGod posted.

The Aristocrats is a classic joke that has existed for decades. It is one of those jokes that is a litmus test. If you cannot tell this joke, which is one of the most well-known disgusting jokes ever, and make people laugh, then you do not have the skill and ability to do "evil" humor.

There is a fine line between telling a joke that is funny, that just happens to also be 100% insanely WRONG, and telling a joke that is just being cruel. The phrase is, "Crossing the line twice." You tell a joke that crosses the line from funny into horrifying, but you keep it up and you go all around the world until you come back around to where you started and cross the line a second time.

This sort of story, from what I read, is an attempt to cross the line twice. Which is fine, but do you have the talent to pull it off? Can you ACTUALLY do something that over the top and make it funny? Well...

Can you tell the Aristocrats Joke? No?
Then don't bother trying to write the story.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

The Aristocrats is a classic joke that has existed for decades. It is one of those jokes that is a litmus test. If you cannot tell this joke, which is one of the most well-known disgusting jokes ever, and make people laugh, then you do not have the skill and ability to do "evil" humor.

There is a fine line between telling a joke that is funny, that just happens to also be 100% insanely WRONG, and telling a joke that is just being cruel. The phrase is, "Crossing the line twice." You tell a joke that crosses the line from funny into horrifying, but you keep it up and you go all around the world until you come back around to where you started and cross the line a second time.

This sort of story, from what I read, is an attempt to cross the line twice. Which is fine, but do you have the talent to pull it off? Can you ACTUALLY do something that over the top and make it funny? Well...

Can you tell the Aristocrats Joke? No?
Then don't bother trying to write the story.

The guy complaining isn't the guy that wants to write the story.

 

[TheEldritchGod]

The MC did apologize to him, there's really no other choice but to kill him. It's better than leaving him alive and letting his mind be consumed by the power and cause chaos (which always happens to the ones isekaied there).

Awfully convenient that it ALWAYS happens. Everyone who gets isekai'd turns evil. Really? EVERYONE?
Because if you told me I got Isekai'd and my power was 'null' as in, Make things not exist. At first I think that was swell. Then, if I realized what I could null was say, 'Thought' and I had the power to restructure people's minds.

I'd curl up in a ball and be horrified for about a day.

Then, slowly, I'd figure out that I was brought here for a reason and if you are giving me this ungodly horrific power, then something EVEN WORSE must be coming and that I had to go somewhere away from everyone and Perfect the use of my power to the point it was a scalpel so I not only never accidentally hurt anyone, but that I would be prepared to act against whatever sort of horrific force was coming to destroy this world.

I most likely would wind up using it on myself if I ever found myself thinking 'impure' thoughts and destroy those thoughts so that I couldn't be tempted. would resolve myself to a monk like ascetic life because the ability to wipe people's minds and leave them empty husks is a fate worse than death. Therefore, to give me a power like that must mean I would be the trump card against an even GREATER evil.

But according to the author, I'd always turn evil, so, I guess I am doomed to make a harem of mindless bimbos and would need to die.

Pft.

 

[Zinless]

Awfully convenient that it ALWAYS happens. Everyone who gets isekai'd turns evil. Really? EVERYONE?

Technically yes. Not make them evil though, but lose control of their powers and mental overtime, they're basically a ticking time nuke. This has happened countless times in the past, leading to at least 4 major calamities that became legends. One isekai'd student even melted an entire continent, but no details were given besides the mention of it.

I admit, the characters in the story is a bit wack, which is one of my main complaints in the story. But my main gripe is the ones who rate the entire show based on the death of one not so important character in the first episode.

This sums things up properly I believe:

Spoiler: Image

Besides, this guy, when he realized what he could do with his power, wanted to change the world to "fit him".

I have my fair share of criticism for this story, especially the characters and romance. But in any case, Mitsuki's not a good guy. I think the author should make him do more questionable stuff before killing him to avoid pissing off some people, but those who rate this show based only on his death are ones who can't admit they self-inserted themselves into him.

Also, the only reason people from the modern world are summoned are to either be used as a political tool at best, a weapon of mass destruction at worst. They're not meant to be heroes or anything, the fantasy world is in relative peace. Thus, anyone caught summoning someone will be dealt appropriately by the higher ranking church members or something.

I hope I don't offend anyone here, this is merely my opinion on things.

 

[ForestDweller]

Sounds like a theocracy world.