NTR'ing the Readers

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Okay, so i've recently got into writing again after a couple failed fantasy novels (i still havent given up on them, i just need to fix them), and I created the plot outline for a new novel. In some ways, its less ambitious than my previous novel attempts - in some ways, its more ambitious. Its not a huge fantasy epic like I was first trying to write. I was trying to write a huge fantasy epic like 'Game of Thrones' or Robert Jordan's 'Wheel of Time saga'. But that's a lot for a new author to take on... Plus, I kept wanting to turn my fantasy novels into smut/erotica. Rather than awesome action stories, I found that i'm better at writing drama instead.

So, I decided to try my hand at a different genre...

N.T.R. (If you are new to japanese/degenerate culture and dont know what NTR is, then I salute you)

I want to write a NTR story so brutal that readers will shut their phones off in disgust after leaving walls of text in the comments about how stupid I am and how bad my story is. I want more 1 star ratings than K5Rakitan. I want them to rage into their keyboards and send death threats at me - but I want to keep them coming back to read despite their self-disgust. Like watching a train-wreck, a well written NTR keeps people reading until the end, because they want to see just how badly things turn out.

So my plan is to have two main characters - The first character is the 'cuck' who will follow the classic 'Hero's Journey' plotline, except I will subvert it by having him lose to the antagonist at almost every turn (but win just enough to give the readers hope).
The second protagonist is the 'bull', who will act as the antagonist in the hero's plotline, but his own plotline will be an anti-hero revenge plotline.

The idea is to have the NTR aspect of the story almost completely hidden from the readers, until about a quarter of the way through the novel - BAM! Surprise NTR! I wont tag it with any cheating/NTR tag so the readers will have no clue except for the story breadcrumbs I plan to leave... They should think its just another typical harem fantasy with a beta-male lead (there are literally a million of those kinds of stories - the loser getting the girls and defeating the enemies despite never earning them).

The most difficult part seems like it would be the balancing act between making the readers feel sympathy for the cuck, and humanizing the bull enough that readers want to care enough about why he does these terrible things to the 'mc'.

And as for why I'm writing this vile trash... Its hilarious, I like to mess with people. (and i'm a degenerate) Honestly, Ive never had so much fun making a concept for a novel before. I'm having trouble coming up with a name though... I'm currently thinking "Invidia's Fall" or something similar. (Invidia is latin for envy)
 
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StrongArm said:
humanizing the bull enough that readers want to care enough about why he does these terrible things to the 'mc'.
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A full-on jerk getting the girl would be more grating to the readers I believe.

But, humanizing them could also work. There are many, I do mean many, readers who self insert themselves into the first average looking, perhaps a bit of a loser looking, boy they could find. For example, the boy from "The Executioner and Her Way of Life", his name is Mitsuki I believe.

Mitsuki's the 'fake' protagonist who appears in the first half of the episode. He got transported to an isekai, got told by the kingdom that his power is 'null' and was promptly kicked out of the castle. He met a nice girl who helped him learn that his power was actually powerful. Then, he got killed by that same nice girl who was actually the real MC, an executioner tasked with killing people who got transported into the fantasy world.

Mitsuki was portrayed as an slightly arrogant school boy, who believes he's finally the main character of the story and was ecstatic. But, when killed, his true thoughts was revealed. "If I erase everything, I can change this world to fit me." In other words, he's a selfish narcissistic kid, although it's only hinted at subtly.

Problem is, many viewers dropped the series after that scene where Mitsuki was "betrayed" by the real MC. They kept calling him the good guy and the real MC a bitch. Some even watched the series to the end just to see this guy get revived so he could kill the real MC. The fact that people self-inserted themselves to the most random ass boring character that's only on screen for like 8 minutes is baffling.

The reason the MC killed him was understandable as well, as leaving him alive would endanger millions of lives, but the "viewers/readers" of the story kept trying to say that killing him was a bad choice and demand him to return to the story. I shall remind you that he only appears for 8 minutes in the anime and barely a chapter in the novel.


TLDR: Some people will self insert themselves into anyone resembling them, even if the character's a loser, a jerk, etc. So even if your 'Bull' is symphatizable, most readers would still hate him because they'll subconsciously self insert themselves into the 'Hero'. (Would be more effective if you portray your story as a generic fantasy or even a power fantasy.)
 
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Controps said:
Yeah but only actual NTR fans.
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Bold of you to assume the readers who hate the NTR don't want to see revenge arcs. Especially if the author managed to invest his readers properly.

This could be the start of a great tragedy, and I'm here for it.
 
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Bold of you to assume the readers who hate the NTR don't want to see revenge arcs. Especially if the author managed to invest his readers properly.

This could be the start of a great tragedy, and I'm here for it.
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If people see the protagonist get cucked and are still invested enough to want to see him get revenge they like NTR.
 
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StrongArm said:
The most difficult part seems like it would be the balancing act between making the readers feel sympathy for the cuck, and humanizing the bull enough that readers want to care enough about why he does these terrible things to the 'mc'.
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Have the Cuck ignore the heroine or whatever you call female lead advances. While that happens the bull be nice to the female lead. While the bull puts up with all the shit the female mc leads done they finally get together.
 
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StrongArm said:
Okay, so i've recently got into writing again after a couple failed fantasy novels (i still havent given up on them, i just need to fix them), and I created the plot outline for a new novel. In some ways, its less ambitious than my previous novel attempts - in some ways, its more ambitious. Its not a huge fantasy epic like I was first trying to write. I was trying to write a huge fantasy epic like 'Game of Thrones' or Robert Jordan's 'Wheel of Time saga'. But that's a lot for a new author to take on... Plus, I kept wanting to turn my fantasy novels into smut/erotica. Rather than awesome action stories, I found that i'm better at writing drama instead.

So, I decided to try my hand at a different genre...

N.T.R. (If you are new to japanese/degenerate culture and dont know what NTR is, then I salute you)

I want to write a NTR story so brutal that readers will shut their phones off in disgust after leaving walls of text in the comments about how stupid I am and how bad my story is. I want more 1 star ratings than K5Rakitan. I want them to rage into their keyboards and send death threats at me - but I want to keep them coming back to read despite their self-disgust. Like watching a train-wreck, a well written NTR keeps people reading until the end, because they want to see just how badly things turn out.

So my plan is to have two main characters - The first character is the 'cuck' who will follow the classic 'Hero's Journey' plotline, except I will subvert it by having him lose to the antagonist at almost every turn (but win just enough to give the readers hope).
The second protagonist is the 'bull', who will act as the antagonist in the hero's plotline, but his own plotline will be an anti-hero revenge plotline.

The idea is to have the NTR aspect of the story almost completely hidden from the readers, until about a quarter of the way through the novel - BAM! Surprise NTR! I wont tag it with any cheating/NTR tag so the readers will have no clue except for the story breadcrumbs I plan to leave... They should think its just another typical harem fantasy with a beta-male lead (there are literally a million of those kinds of stories - the loser getting the girls and defeating the enemies despite never earning them).

The most difficult part seems like it would be the balancing act between making the readers feel sympathy for the cuck, and humanizing the bull enough that readers want to care enough about why he does these terrible things to the 'mc'.

And as for why I'm writing this vile trash... Its hilarious, I like to mess with people. (and i'm a degenerate) Honestly, Ive never had so much fun making a concept for a novel before. I'm having trouble coming up with a name though... I'm currently thinking "Invidia's Fall" or something similar. (Invidia is latin for envy)
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"Isekai NTR" is basically this, read it for reference maybe
 
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StrongArm said:
Okay, so i've recently got into writing again after a couple failed fantasy novels (i still havent given up on them, i just need to fix them), and I created the plot outline for a new novel. In some ways, its less ambitious than my previous novel attempts - in some ways, its more ambitious. Its not a huge fantasy epic like I was first trying to write. I was trying to write a huge fantasy epic like 'Game of Thrones' or Robert Jordan's 'Wheel of Time saga'. But that's a lot for a new author to take on... Plus, I kept wanting to turn my fantasy novels into smut/erotica. Rather than awesome action stories, I found that i'm better at writing drama instead.

So, I decided to try my hand at a different genre...

N.T.R. (If you are new to japanese/degenerate culture and dont know what NTR is, then I salute you)

I want to write a NTR story so brutal that readers will shut their phones off in disgust after leaving walls of text in the comments about how stupid I am and how bad my story is. I want more 1 star ratings than K5Rakitan. I want them to rage into their keyboards and send death threats at me - but I want to keep them coming back to read despite their self-disgust. Like watching a train-wreck, a well written NTR keeps people reading until the end, because they want to see just how badly things turn out.

So my plan is to have two main characters - The first character is the 'cuck' who will follow the classic 'Hero's Journey' plotline, except I will subvert it by having him lose to the antagonist at almost every turn (but win just enough to give the readers hope).
The second protagonist is the 'bull', who will act as the antagonist in the hero's plotline, but his own plotline will be an anti-hero revenge plotline.

The idea is to have the NTR aspect of the story almost completely hidden from the readers, until about a quarter of the way through the novel - BAM! Surprise NTR! I wont tag it with any cheating/NTR tag so the readers will have no clue except for the story breadcrumbs I plan to leave... They should think its just another typical harem fantasy with a beta-male lead (there are literally a million of those kinds of stories - the loser getting the girls and defeating the enemies despite never earning them).

The most difficult part seems like it would be the balancing act between making the readers feel sympathy for the cuck, and humanizing the bull enough that readers want to care enough about why he does these terrible things to the 'mc'.

And as for why I'm writing this vile trash... Its hilarious, I like to mess with people. (and i'm a degenerate) Honestly, Ive never had so much fun making a concept for a novel before. I'm having trouble coming up with a name though... I'm currently thinking "Invidia's Fall" or something similar. (Invidia is latin for envy)
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I'm going to keep an eye out for your profile so I can see the reactions XD
 
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