NFTs are confusing...

Agentt

Thighs
Joined
Oct 8, 2020
Messages
3,532
Points
183
So, let's say that, ****hypothetically**** the resident of SHF, Tiaf decided to make some art
20220112_131836.jpg

But then a creeper came, and decided to steal his work,
20220112_131900.jpg

And Tiaf answered,
20220112_131920.jpg

But the creeper was more shameless than he expected
20220112_131945.jpg

And so, Tiaf was forced to withdraw
20220112_131957.jpg



Because of this, it's better to have a signature on your work.

Not only a signature proves this object is yours, if someone comes across it, they can just search the signature which will lead them to the original artist's Twitter or Instagram.


But, then I see that Senior Tiaf decided to not have a signature, but rather have a watermark of a girl made using Waifu Labs.


This...is very strange because...it doesn't solve the problem at all?
I can still steal his work and then claim it is still mine?
The anime girl doesn't give any method of tracing it back to Tiaf, so...free real estate?

And then I find the despite Waifu Labs being free, Tiaf paid someone else to make them? Who just used Waifu Labs to make them for free?


So...that's my understanding of NFTs.

Am I missing something here? Do they really have any applications?
 

Attachments

  • 20220112_131900.jpg
    20220112_131900.jpg
    21.6 KB · Views: 115

Agentt

Thighs
Joined
Oct 8, 2020
Messages
3,532
Points
183
You underestimate how big a meme wizard I am, I saw it even before it was posted
So, let's say that, ****hypothetically**** the resident of SHF, Tiaf decided to make some art
View attachment 11459

But then a creeper came, and decided to steal his work,
View attachment 11460
And Tiaf answered,
View attachment 11461
But the creeper was more shameless than he expected
View attachment 11464
And so, Tiaf was forced to withdraw
View attachment 11463


Because of this, it's better to have a signature on your work.

Not only a signature proves this object is yours, if someone comes across it, they can just search the signature which will lead them to the original artist's Twitter or Instagram.


But, then I see that Senior Tiaf decided to not have a signature, but rather have a watermark of a girl made using Waifu Labs.


This...is very strange because...it doesn't solve the problem at all?
I can still steal his work and then claim it is still mine?
The anime girl doesn't give any method of tracing it back to Tiaf, so...free real estate?

And then I find the despite Waifu Labs being free, Tiaf paid someone else to make them? Who just used Waifu Labs to make them for free?


So...that's my understanding of NFTs.

Am I missing something here? Do they really have any applications?
I use the word Hypothetically here because we all know Tiaf never draws anything on time
 

owotrucked

Chronic lecher masquerading as a writer
Joined
Feb 18, 2021
Messages
1,465
Points
153
Nft are the equivalent of blizzard's diablo 3 auction where you could trade in game items for real currency, except now it's a giant marketplace where the games aren't even finished and when they are finished they'd be disgusting gambling gacha games.

Otherwise, nft can serves as tickets, and even patreon alternative for degenerates like me
 

Agentt

Thighs
Joined
Oct 8, 2020
Messages
3,532
Points
183
Nft are the equivalent of blizzard's diablo 3 auction where you could trade in game items for real currency, except now it's a giant marketplace where the games aren't even finished and when they are finished they'd be disgusting gambling gacha games.

Otherwise, nft can serves as tickets, and even patreon alternative for degenerates like me
Orz, but I really was curious, do they really have no use? Like, at all? Considering they are so expensive and are still trendy
 

Echimera

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 29, 2021
Messages
308
Points
103
Orz, but I really was curious, do they really have no use? Like, at all? Considering they are so expensive and are still trendy
It's basically an overhyped and inefficient solution to a problem that has a ton of other potential solutions nobody is looking into on a large scale because everybody just buys into the blockchain-crypto-hype-scam.
Or maybe even a problem that we don't really understand ourselves, as we'll probably have to rethink a few concepts that we simply can't transfer from the physical into the digital world.

I think this video sums is a good, if a bit jaded, explanation of both what it is and the problems.
 

owotrucked

Chronic lecher masquerading as a writer
Joined
Feb 18, 2021
Messages
1,465
Points
153
Orz, but I really was curious, do they really have no use? Like, at all? Considering they are so expensive and are still trendy
The expensive trendy ones are useless but I provided you some examples on how NFTs could be useful for your average guy.

Its uses goes beyond just art. There are already protocols to use them as a gatekeeping system like tickets for concert or accessing hidden content like in patreon. I don't know what's the rates but it probably takes a lower cut than patreon and patreon can yeet you out if you make some nsfw or politically controversial content
 

Agentt

Thighs
Joined
Oct 8, 2020
Messages
3,532
Points
183
Its uses goes beyond just art. There are already protocols to use them as a gatekeeping system like tickets for concert or accessing hidden content like in patreon.
So, it's kinda like a badge? Like the "Famous Author" one?
 

SuperHeiyan

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 19, 2019
Messages
77
Points
58
So, it's kinda like a badge? Like the "Famous Author" one?
It's like license code to content that claims that it is unique content yet, despite the name, you easily can copy content itself if you ignore all artifical systems created around it.
From technical standpoint it's nothing else but "license roster" , list of the codes (tokens) and owners.
There is absolutely no point to use NFT over more traditional approach to authentication so it is merely a scam that used the fact that many people believe in the high technologies without understanding even basics of how they work.
Blockchains aren't scams, it's usefullness much smaller than people thinks, but in some very specific spheres an ability to track every operation with data is usefull. Cryptocurency, however, is a scam that uses such technology for criminal purposes and globally damage world economics and people access to electronics so it is even worse than NFT.
 

KiraMinoru

Untitled Generic Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2020
Messages
473
Points
133
The funny thing about a lot of NFTs is that the images themselves typically aren’t actually on the blockchain. What is on the blockchain is a pointer/link to where the image is. So in a lot of cases you’re actually just buying ownership of a link to an image and not even the exclusivity of the image on the blockchain itself. It’s even funnier because sometimes they give out ownership to the same link to an image on the blockchain to more than one person to save money.

They do this because it’d be expensive as hell to actually mint the entire image. So if you’re ever using a platform that offers a really cheap minting cost, you’re very likely just getting a link to the image.

Cofeezilla recently did an interview with a guy who made the piratebay equivalent for NFTs. He went and saved all the NFTs on the blockchain (which is technically illegal), came up to something like 27 terabytes of data or something. Even funnier he gets emails from some people thanking him for essentially making a back up for the NFTs or some shit because there is no back up for them currently.

Also as for a real use case outside of money laundering, apparently people who’re actually working on the NFT technology don’t even have a good idea on what to really use it for. Right now it’s all just fuelled by speculation and media hype. Basically rich people playing the common folk for fools. The platforms are raking in easy money of gullible suckers chasing after the dream of striking gold. It’s current state is just a get rich quick scheme that exists to screw people desperate for money over. A game of hot potato where you don’t want to be the last fool holding it unable to sell them.

It’s effectively a Ponzi scheme where they need to keep getting fresh blood with new money into the system to support it.

Some people suggest video games where you could get a rare weapons or armor that actually belongs to you that you could transfer from game to game, but in reality that’d be next to impossible to implement since not all games are coded the same way. There’s scalability issues as well. Then there’s even licensing/copyrights issues for game developers that they likely wouldn’t want to touch with a twenty foot pole because of how expensive it would be to sort it all out.
 
Last edited:

Echimera

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 29, 2021
Messages
308
Points
103
Some people suggest video games where you could get a rare weapons or armor that actually belongs to you that you could transfer from game to game, but in reality that’d be next to impossible to implement since not all games are coded the same way. There’s scalability issues as well. Then there’s even licensing/copyrights issues for game developers that they likely wouldn’t want to touch with a twenty foot pole because of how expensive it would be to sort it all out.
And even that would be possible without NFTs and use a simpler system that's not a giant waste of energy on top of being part of a scam that ruins the quality of life for everyone else.
 

Ilikewaterkusa

You have to take out their families...
Joined
May 21, 2021
Messages
2,373
Points
153
So, let's say that, ****hypothetically**** the resident of SHF, Tiaf decided to make some art
View attachment 11459

But then a creeper came, and decided to steal his work,
View attachment 11460
And Tiaf answered,
View attachment 11461
But the creeper was more shameless than he expected
View attachment 11464
And so, Tiaf was forced to withdraw
View attachment 11463


Because of this, it's better to have a signature on your work.

Not only a signature proves this object is yours, if someone comes across it, they can just search the signature which will lead them to the original artist's Twitter or Instagram.


But, then I see that Senior Tiaf decided to not have a signature, but rather have a watermark of a girl made using Waifu Labs.


This...is very strange because...it doesn't solve the problem at all?
I can still steal his work and then claim it is still mine?
The anime girl doesn't give any method of tracing it back to Tiaf, so...free real estate?

And then I find the despite Waifu Labs being free, Tiaf paid someone else to make them? Who just used Waifu Labs to make them for free?


So...that's my understanding of NFTs.

Am I missing something here? Do they really have any applications?
Referring to this?
 

Attachments

  • 7BA7E534-DC9A-4025-B4FD-0E98AA98A1F7.png
    7BA7E534-DC9A-4025-B4FD-0E98AA98A1F7.png
    159.8 KB · Views: 91

Daitengu

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 11, 2019
Messages
917
Points
133
Current NFT and cryptocurrency use is just an economy based entirely in "The greater fool" doctrine. People are betting on getting out before they run out of fools. It's basically the same thing as the Tulip bulb bubble and China's housing market.
As for theft, it's going to require copyright court cases to curb. Some of those creators could win big after all.
 

lnv

✪ Well-Known Hypocrite
Joined
Dec 24, 2018
Messages
487
Points
133
So, let's say that, ****hypothetically**** the resident of SHF, Tiaf decided to make some art



Because of this, it's better to have a signature on your work.

Not only a signature proves this object is yours, if someone comes across it, they can just search the signature which will lead them to the original artist's Twitter or Instagram.


But, then I see that Senior Tiaf decided to not have a signature, but rather have a watermark of a girl made using Waifu Labs.


This...is very strange because...it doesn't solve the problem at all?
I can still steal his work and then claim it is still mine?
The anime girl doesn't give any method of tracing it back to Tiaf, so...free real estate?

And then I find the despite Waifu Labs being free, Tiaf paid someone else to make them? Who just used Waifu Labs to make them for free?


So...that's my understanding of NFTs.

Am I missing something here? Do they really have any applications?
I'll simplify it for you.

Some corporations and people want to make a quick buck. Thus NFTs.

They do nothing to prevent people from stealing the works, even the one who created NFTs says they are useless and wasn't a serious proposal to begin with.
 

tiaf

ゞ(シㅇ3ㅇ)っ•♥•Speak fishy, read BL.•♥•
Joined
May 29, 2019
Messages
3,091
Points
183
Why did I only now notice I was taken as an example?
police fishy.png
 

AliceShiki

Magical Girl of Love and Justice
Joined
Dec 23, 2018
Messages
3,529
Points
183
So, let's say that, ****hypothetically**** the resident of SHF, Tiaf decided to make some art
View attachment 11459

But then a creeper came, and decided to steal his work,
View attachment 11460
And Tiaf answered,
View attachment 11461
But the creeper was more shameless than he expected
View attachment 11464
And so, Tiaf was forced to withdraw
View attachment 11463


Because of this, it's better to have a signature on your work.

Not only a signature proves this object is yours, if someone comes across it, they can just search the signature which will lead them to the original artist's Twitter or Instagram.


But, then I see that Senior Tiaf decided to not have a signature, but rather have a watermark of a girl made using Waifu Labs.


This...is very strange because...it doesn't solve the problem at all?
I can still steal his work and then claim it is still mine?
The anime girl doesn't give any method of tracing it back to Tiaf, so...free real estate?

And then I find the despite Waifu Labs being free, Tiaf paid someone else to make them? Who just used Waifu Labs to make them for free?


So...that's my understanding of NFTs.

Am I missing something here? Do they really have any applications?
So... NFTs use Blockchain technology. The same technology that Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies use.

A blockchain works by forcing your computer to do some complicated math puzzles in order to do transactions, mine the bitcoin and whatever. And as the blockchain evolves further, the puzzles get harder and harder, making it harder and hard to like, mine the bitcoins and the like.

This results in a stupidly slow system that consumes a buttload of energy. It's horribly inefficient and it's really bad for the environment (Bitcoins consume more energy than Argentina, to give you a notion of how inefficient the system is).

What are the benefits of Blockchain? It is essentially a decentralized database that cannot be edited. You cannot erase anything from it, you can only add stuff to it. This allows you to always keep track of transactions, while also allowing you to make monetary transactions without the need of a third-party intermediary (like a bank).

How can this be useful on day-to-day life...? In all honesty, it can. Anything you can come up with that blockchain can do, already existing technology can do too, but the normal technology is faster, safer, more efficient, and consumes less energy than bitcoin does, so like... Better for the environment and whatnot.

... Except cryptocurrencies that is. Blockchain is good for cryptocurrencies. Normal tech can't do cryptocurrencies.



With this out of the way, let's talk about NFTs. NFTs use blockchain technology, and they're essentially a certificate of ownership. If you own the NFT of an art, you have a digital certificate that proves that this art is yours.

... Except you can't really stop anyone from using print screen and copying the art.
Nor can you be sure that the NFT you purchased came from the original artist. Maybe someone just downloaded the original art from Devianart and then minted it as an NFT, essentially selling you a certificate of ownership of a product they didn't even own.

Does this seem useless to you? Yes, it is useless on any practical terms... But it's not like something needs to be practically usable to have value attributed to it.

NFTs are essentially a speculative market. Let's assume you bought an ugly monkey drawing for 200$. The art is extremely ugly and your 5 years old nephew could make something better, but that's irrelevant... You also don't know if this was sold by the original artist or not, but you quite frankly couldn't care less about the copyright related to the ugly monkey.

What you do with the NFT as soon as you buy it? You put it up for sale, for like... 250$ or something.
Who will buy it? Someone that wants to sell it for 300$, of course.

Essentially, the system works as a way for people to try making a profit based on a product with no intrinsic value to it. There is always a risk with it, since you have no real way of knowing if anyone will buy your NFT, since... Well, on practical terms it is worth nothing, but there is also a considerable potential of profiting from this by simply buying and reselling things like that. If you're good at this kind of stuff, you can make some bucks from this system.

... And of course, the system is also great for money laundering, but that's just an added bonus to the nonsensical mess that NFTs are.


In other words... NFTs are a completely useless system that relies on buying and selling certificates of ownership that not only mean nothing, but that also have no real value... And this is done by using some horribly inefficient technology that is slow and bad to the environment.

It's probably the dumbest technological innovation I've ever heard of, but I don't think it's going anywhere unless some countries start deeming it as illegal... Which I think is a real possibility in all honesty.

To wrap it all off, I'll finish this by linking to an old article on blockchain that can resume everything that defines Blockchain with its title alone:

Blockchain, the amazing solution for almost nothing

 
Top