New Years Battle: Humans vs Vampires (Humans Win)

[Shrimp_eater]

Gods and Dark Matter would be a kick-ass name for a metal album.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Gods and Dark Matter would be a kick-ass name for a metal album.

The first two track names:
1. God of the Gaps
2. Dark Energy

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

It's not that astounding. It's a classical paradox of how a human mind can understand a human brain.

There is so much about our own bodies that we don't understand fully either. Like DNA or how exactly our brain functions fully. We have an idea of portions, but the rest is just theory.

If you don't know you are in a box, you can't view the box from outside. Rather not about knowing you are in a box, even if you know you are in a box, you are still in a box.

Even if you know you are in a box, you can't view it from the outside, your eyes are stuck inside. You lost me on what you mean.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

There is so much about our own bodies that we don't understand fully either. Like DNA or how exactly our brain functions fully. We have an idea of portions, but the rest is just theory.

Even if you know you are in a box, you can't view it from the outside, your eyes are stuck inside. You lost me on what you mean.

It's like perspective in stories. Many people tunnel hard because they live in the first person. Even if you know the solution to a problem, you can make more mistakes in the first person. It's like when you see someone else struggling, and you are probably faster to come up with a solution than if you were in their shoes.

 

[Shrimp_eater]

The first two track names:
1. God of the Gaps
2. Dark Energy

3. The unseen
4. His gravity

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

I see not a word of my has reached you, trapped in the throws blind faith. The highest 'virtue' of the most manipulative and damaging religion in history, to not think for yourself.

I see, you are prejudiced against God. That's the only way you could say that Christianity is the most manipulative and damaging religion.
There isn't evidence that disproves claims in the bible, but there are theories that try to interpret evidence to do so. You see, atheist theories start on the basis that there is nothing supernatural. (why I started my argument with you) If that's the basis, then that's what will be found.
That puts them on the same level as religion, both rely on faith.

Out of body experiences can be explained as the mind missing information, and making something up to fill in the gaps, and retroactively correcting it to hold together it's sense of reality. Or if we assume the supernatural, sure, souls.

There are some unexplainable things for OoBE, like knowing events that they would have no way of knowing. but it is anecdotal, I don't have much more to say about it.

But the existence of a god is not necessary for the existence of a soul. But you claim things about the soul of man and of animal, with no basis in observable reality, but rather, some old book written by those with an outdated understanding of reality. If you want to use the Bible as evidence, you first have to prove it's a credible source.

There's plenty to prove it's a credible source, I doubt you would accept any of it though.

And no, time is not my 'god of the gaps', what the hell do you even mean by that?

I wasn't talking to you there, but to explain what I meant: Most of the theories you likely believe in use time as the fallback for why we haven't observed certain things. Time is the "rescue device" for claims that haven't been observed.

 

[RepresentingCaution]

and parents who may or may not give and/or plan to give the wonder of fairytales to their children such as @K5Rakitan and @DemonOppai , this proof supports giving children belief in the magic of the world.

Santa is very difficult to avoid, so I'm resigned to embrace that part of our culture to a certain extent. I tell the kid that Santa is a character from our imaginations, just like Barney the Dinosaur. I made no secret of the fact that I pretended to be Santa by stuffing the stockings.

 

[GlassRose]

I see, you are prejudiced against God. That's the only way you could say that Christianity is the most manipulative and damaging religion.
There isn't evidence that disproves claims in the bible, but there are theories that try to interpret evidence to do so. You see, atheist theories start on the basis that there is nothing supernatural. (why I started my argument with you) If that's the basis, then that's what will be found.
That puts them on the same level as religion, both rely on faith.

There are some unexplainable things for OoBE, like knowing events that they would have no way of knowing. but it is anecdotal, I don't have much more to say about it.

There's plenty to prove it's a credible source, I doubt you would accept any of it though.

I wasn't talking to you there, but to explain what I meant: Most of the theories you likely believe in use time as the fallback for why we haven't observed certain things. Time is the "rescue device" for claims that haven't been observed.

The only way I could say Christianity is the most damaging and manipulative religion is if I'm prejudiced against God? Tell me, are you unaware of Christianity's history, or are you just in denial? Christianity has been a major influence in some of the greatest atrocities in our history. Prime example is the Crusades, but also, Christianity persecutes every single belief system that disagrees with it, including itself. For a long time, Judaism has been persecuted by Christianity. 'So-called' heretics have been put to death, 'witches', burned. Christianity has been at the forefront of colonialism, pushed by the oppressive empires onto indigenous peoples, often with a 'comply or die' attitude. Utter cultural erasure. Wiping out or re-writing of people's beliefs that didn't fit the 'Christian narrative'. The religion idolizes blindly following what you're told, no room to think or doubt. Certain sects take it further, actively ostracizing any member who doesn't follow their strict rules and interpretation. Christianity gives and has given oppressors and conquerors the illusion of the moral high ground, they claim to come to 'save', when they come to control. Schisms in the exact details of belief in Christianity has been the impetus of several wars as well.

'Nothing that disproves the claims in the bible'? Plain incorrect, but even if it weren't, the burden of proof relies on the one making unfalsifiable claims, such as the existence of god. Besides, have you even read the bible? Atheist theories don't 'start on the basis of nothing supernatural', they merely utilize Occam's razor; the claim that requires the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct, it's not 'on the same level as religion', nor do they 'rely on faith'. Atheism arises from when there is not any good reason to believe that any god is actually real. Belief is different than faith.

'There's plenty to prove it's a credible source, I doubt you would accept any of it though.' Sounds like a non-answer, you don't have anything actually of substance, so you just write me off as unable to accept it, and then you can keep up the illusion to yourself.

Honestly though? I do have too much loathing for Christianity to have a productive discussion here, probably. And I'm not a scholar on the matter. If you're interested in learning how atheists actually think, and what causes people to turn away from Christianity, I suggest watching some videos by Genetically Modified Skeptic. He was a former Christian, very devout, and he had done extensive study on the bible, but he realized some things about Christianity that forced him to turn away. He also holds a lot less contempt than I. Maybe it could help you understand where atheists are coming from a bit better than I can.

 

[So_Indecisive]

Are we talking about the same vampires that have so many weaknesses it's not even funny, like in traditional fiction or are we talking about the modern true vampires, progenitors and vampire god variants?.
If it's the former it's not even a fight we'd trounce them like a trained MMA fighter VS a kid who just learnt how to walk. If it's the latter though we'd lose but as the vampire's food source we won't go extinct so we'd win eventually(All this banks on the possibility vampires haven't read human fiction, if they have they'd probably just exterminate all the humans)

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

The only way I could say Christianity is the most damaging and manipulative religion is if I'm prejudiced against God? Tell me, are you unaware of Christianity's history, or are you just in denial? Christianity has been a major influence in some of the greatest atrocities in our history. Prime example is the Crusades, but also, Christianity persecutes every single belief system that disagrees with it, including itself. For a long time, Judaism has been persecuted by Christianity. 'So-called' heretics have been put to death, 'witches', burned. Christianity has been at the forefront of colonialism, pushed by the oppressive empires onto indigenous peoples, often with a 'comply or die' attitude. Utter cultural erasure. Wiping out or re-writing of people's beliefs that didn't fit the 'Christian narrative'. The religion idolizes blindly following what you're told, no room to think or doubt. Certain sects take it further, actively ostracizing any member who doesn't follow their strict rules and interpretation. Christianity gives and has given oppressors and conquerors the illusion of the moral high ground, they claim to come to 'save', when they come to control. Schisms in the exact details of belief in Christianity has been the impetus of several wars as well.

When I said that, I meant that when I compare Christianity to other religions (like Islam or Atheism), Christianity is far from the most manipulative or destructive. Yes, Christians have committed sins. If we were perfect and never sinned, then why would we need forgiveness and a savior?

'Nothing that disproves the claims in the bible'? Plain incorrect, but even if it weren't, the burden of proof relies on the one making unfalsifiable claims, such as the existence of god. Besides, have you even read the bible? Atheist theories don't 'start on the basis of nothing supernatural', they merely utilize Occam's razor; the claim that requires the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct, it's not 'on the same level as religion', nor do they 'rely on faith'. Atheism arises from when there is not any good reason to believe that any god is actually real. Belief is different than faith.

Atheism also has a claim it has a burden to prove: that there is no God.
Don't hide behind the "I lack belief in a God"
I agree with you
What if I reword your statement to say this: "There is a God, I just don't believe in Him."
Is that a position you agree with? If not, you need to make a claim.

If you have believed in any theory without seeing evidence, that is faith. And You have faith that atheist scientists are telling the truth without bias. You have faith in their ideas.

'There's plenty to prove it's a credible source, I doubt you would accept any of it though.' Sounds like a non-answer, you don't have anything actually of substance, so you just write me off as unable to accept it, and then you can keep up the illusion to yourself.

Eye-witness testimony of Jesus life and resurrection
Fulfilled prophecies
You would probably disagree If I said that fossils and geologic columns support Noah's flood.
Genetics doesn't support evolution (I know this is less bible true and more not supporting the opposing theory, but I can explain more what I mean if you wish.)
These are just a few ways and there's still more for me to learn.
Testimony of people's lives radically changed by Jesus, miracles in modern-day. Also Anecdotal, but I trust it, they are my brothers and sisters.

Honestly though? I do have too much loathing for Christianity to have a productive discussion here, probably. And I'm not a scholar on the matter. If you're interested in learning how atheists actually think, and what causes people to turn away from Christianity, I suggest watching some videos by Genetically Modified Skeptic. He was a former Christian, very devout, and he had done extensive study on the bible, but he realized some things about Christianity that forced him to turn away. He also holds a lot less contempt than I. Maybe it could help you understand where atheists are coming from a bit better than I can.

I'll be sure to check him out sometime.

I don't know what your experience with Christianity has been, but I'll tell you that I am Christian because what the Bible says is true. And even with all the things people accuse God of, I still love Him. Because even with my selfishness and failings, He loved me first. Faith is not blind, it is trust with reason.

edit: Questioning the faith is not a bad thing, it just means you care. Finding answers helps.

 

[GlassRose]

When I said that, I meant that when I compare Christianity to other religions (like Islam or Atheism), Christianity is far from the most manipulative or destructive. Yes, Christians have committed sins. If we were perfect and never sinned, then why would we need forgiveness and a savior?

Atheism also has a claim it has a burden to prove: that there is no God.
Don't hide behind the "I lack belief in a God"
I agree with you
What if I reword your statement to say this: "There is a God, I just don't believe in Him."
Is that a position you agree with? If not, you need to make a claim.

If you have believed in any theory without seeing evidence, that is faith. And You have faith that atheist scientists are telling the truth without bias. You have faith in their ideas.

Eye-witness testimony of Jesus life and resurrection
Fulfilled prophecies
You would probably disagree If I said that fossils and geologic columns support Noah's flood.
Genetics doesn't support evolution (I know this is less bible true and more not supporting the opposing theory, but I can explain more what I mean if you wish.)
These are just a few ways and there's still more for me to learn.
Testimony of people's lives radically changed by Jesus, miracles in modern-day. Also Anecdotal, but I trust it, they are my brothers and sisters.

I'll be sure to check him out sometime.

I don't know what your experience with Christianity has been, but I'll tell you that I am Christian because what the Bible says is true. And even with all the things people accuse God of, I still love Him. Because even with my selfishness and failings, He loved me first. Faith is not blind, it is trust with reason.

edit: Questioning the faith is not a bad thing, it just means you care. Finding answers helps.

Perhaps I ought to use the word agnostic for myself. I don't think that the Christian god is anymore likely than any other religion's god, or a god that no religion speaks of, but there could be one (or multiple). I use the term atheist for myself because even if there was a god, or gods, I could never trust a foreign being with so much potential power over me. Even if the being is 'benevent', it has a vastly different perspective than I by its very nature, how could I trust that it's version of benevolence is compatible with my life? I am very individualistic, and prideful, and I don't care what any divinity claims about morality, I follow my own code. I could never accept a god that I had to submit to. Which puts me fundamentally at odds with the kind of god Christianity reveres. And most others too. Hmm, maybe I could/should call myself a heretic? Agnostic heretic?

I've thought about what kind of god I would like to be real. If there was sorta god I could trust, it would be, like, a universal friend. Who doesn't interfere with anyone's life directly, but pops around, and chats with people who need someone to speak to. Who may offer advice, or not advice, just, different perspectives. Calls you out on your bullshit maybe, if need be. Not distant or ethereal, there would be no possible doubt in their existence, no ambiguity. Interacts directly, in a way everyone can understand. Doesn't try to push any one view, just, tries to help people better themselves. Celebrates your successes with you, and helps you back up when things go sour. Like a friend would.
I don't even know if that would count as a god. In fact, it would probably be better if they weren't the creator of everything, or if they were, that they just, arranged the rules (like, the laws of physics), set the starting point, and let it run itself. Not directly at fault for any of the world's evils, and bound by their own impartiality to not interfere. Or favor any one species; the Friend would be friend to all, fish, mouse, alien, etc. They would probably do the world a lot of good.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

If you're interested in learning how atheists actually think, and what causes people to turn away from Christianity, I suggest watching some videos by Genetically Modified Skeptic.

To be honest, Atheists and Christians are the same in terms of faith. To say God exists, as well as to say he doesn't exist are both claims. In an argument, the one making a claim and wanting the other to believe as they do has to provide the evidence.

The only group I can consider to be faithless are the agnostics who don't care to answer whether there is or isn't a god

It's more along the lines of, 'as long as you're not hurting anyone else, stay in your lane and be fine with it.' Other than that, I don't see the point in trying to get someone else to think like you do. I get that a lot of 'christians' do that, but the Bible is clear on this too.

Matthew 10:14-16 - And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

So yeah, that's kind of a diss lol, but it's not meant to be since you don't believe in a day of judgement anyway. Still, Christians shouldn't try to force those who don't want to hear it, to hear it, I agree with that.

Atheism also has a claim it has a burden to prove: that there is no God.
Don't hide behind the "I lack belief in a God"
I agree with you
What if I reword your statement to say this: "There is a God, I just don't believe in Him."
Is that a position you agree with? If not, you need to make a claim.

I think he already answered it in his response. Only the agnostics are faithless.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

It's more along the lines of, 'as long as you're not hurting anyone else, stay in your lane and be fine with it.' Other than that, I don't see the point in trying to get someone else to think like you do. I get that a lot of 'christians' do that, but the Bible is clear on this too.

I do it because it's fun.

I think he already answered it in his response. Only the agnostics are faithless.

Yesn't, there should be two definition of atheism, the belief that no god exists and the not believing in any god that does or does not exist. The definitions aren't mutual exclusive. Acnosticsm is the belief that we can't know if gods exist.

 

[GlassRose]

I do it because it's fun.

Yesn't, there should be two definition of atheism, the belief that no god exists and the not believing in any god that does or does not exist. The definitions aren't mutual exclusive. Acnosticsm is the belief that we can't know if gods exist.

I think agnosticism is not that we can't know if god exists, but rather, we can't know if gods don't exist, but we don't know for sure that any do either.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

I think agnosticism is not that we can't know if god exists, but rather, we can't know if gods don't exist, but we don't know for sure that any do either.

It's both.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

I think agnosticism is not that we can't know if god exists, but rather, we can't know if gods don't exist, but we don't know for sure that any do either.

Agnosticism is "we don't know." Not we "can't know."

 

[Raymann]

I support 50/50

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Agnosticism is "we don't know." Not we "can't know."

Well, I was more agnostic, but Christians make me more atheistic, I guess. It's just preachy stuff that turns me off of it so hard. It's like Story_Marc just said in his video: preaching only works for those who already believe what you say.

 

[So_Indecisive]

But if you really think about it though an equal army of humans VS a much smaller army of Vamps the vamps will probably win because one side is coming at this war with fear, determination and are all high strung there's a shit load of Tension.
While the other is going out to eat not hunt, why should you hunt sheep just go on and slaughter

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Well, I was more agnostic, but Christians make me more atheistic, I guess. It's just preachy stuff that turns me off of it so hard. It's like Story_Marc just said in his video: preaching only works for those who already believe what you say.

You're a reactionary atheist then.
Not a true one.