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CanOfTuna

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Got some feedback on a scene and need to know which version flows better, is the least confusing, and captures the "best" vibe.


Thanks in advance !

(All feedback is welcome)
 
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Got some feedback on a scene and need to know which version flows better, is the least confusing, and captures the "best" vibe.

https://write.ellipsus.com/edit/3bca247d-52e6-46b5-b22d-d4c979eb6c21

Thanks in advance !

(All feedback is welcome)
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Honestly, I don't see any significant differences between the 3 versions of this chapter. All chapters have a similar characteristic, the "guide narrator" where the narrator tries to explain the plot and its interpretation. This slows down the pacing because the flow of narrative time stops just to explain "what is happening or what the character is feeling?"

If you want a smoother flow and faster pacing, you need to consider replacing the narrator's voice with atmosphere, action, body language, symbolism... let the character interact with the world and leave the interpretation to the reader. In addition, I still see this chapter lacking in narrative structure:

(1) Flat atmosphere, at the beginning of the chapter, there is not enough atmosphere through context and symbolism to build the mood of the story. The narrative immediately jumps to what the character is experiencing (sleeping). This makes the atmosphere flat.

You can consider describing the room's atmosphere briefly (what the room is like, what the room's decoration is like, what the bed looks like) at the beginning of the chapter to build a vibe for the reader.

(2) Abstract character visualization at the beginning. The narrative immediately jumps to the character's name in the chapter introduction. As a result, new readers have difficulty visualizing the character. Who is he? How does it look? I thought the character visualization was given in the previous chapters.

But consider this... new readers to web novels can come from any chapter. For new readers (who are not familiar with the characters), using the character's name for the introduction at the beginning of the chapter makes the character seem abstract.

Instead of starting with the character's name... start the character introduction with one to three characteristics of the character. For example, instead of showing this character's name "Esther"... you could start the character introduction by showing:

A blonde girl sleeping on a silk bed. Her pink pajamas glisten in the lamplight.

This way, new readers can perceive your character more clearly.

(3) Abrupt transitions. The scene between the bedroom and the dining room seems abrupt. The narrative is only separated by *** symbol. This can break the reader's immersion. You might consider writing a smoother transition through symbolism or a summary of the activity. For example:

(After the scene in front of the mirror) The blonde-haired girl immediately tidied up her bed, cleaned herself, changed her clothes. A few moments later... she turned the doorknob of her room. Her red dress sparkled as she walked towards the dining room. (continue to the dining room scene).

(4) The narrative still lacks context of space and time and spatial clues. The narrative does not provide enough clues about the relative positions of the characters in the room. So the visualization of the scene is blurry. You can consider describing the layout and position of the characters.

Where is the MC sitting in the dining room? What are the positions of the other characters? What dishes does the MC see as far as the eye can see? This way, your narrative visualization will change from 2D to 3D. For example:

The blonde-haired girl sat at the dining table. Roast chicken, orange juice and apples were served on the dining table. "Esther..." a soft voice called her. She looked up. A black-haired young man smiled, sitting across the dining table.

(5) The plot still uses descriptive narration. The narration needs to explain events and objects so it slows down the pacing. You can consider changing the descriptive narration to a cinematic action narrative. The description follows the action. Slip the description into the action. So, the pacing becomes relatively faster.

It's my feedback. I hope it helps (or maybe not).

Regards.

Critical Note:
My assessment may be biased. It's possible that the writing style with a guiding narrator may be your artistic choice.

If so, you can ignore my feedback. You know your own story better than I, a casual reader who happened to pass by and comment.

Edit:
My perception is completely biased. Two scenes are still in the bedroom. The narrative shows the meal scene using a short, abrupt flashback.

That's not good. My perception as a reader is distorted.

Causal readers tend to follow linear, progressive plots. If you want to include a flashback, you need to provide a smoother time transition.
 
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CanOfTuna

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Honestly, I don't see any significant differences between the 3 versions of this chapter. All chapters have a similar characteristic, the "guide narrator" where the narrator tries to explain the plot and its interpretation. This slows down the pacing because the flow of narrative time stops just to explain "what is happening or what the character is feeling?"

If you want a smoother flow and faster pacing, you need to consider replacing the narrator's voice with atmosphere, action, body language, symbolism... let the character interact with the world and leave the interpretation to the reader. In addition, I still see this chapter lacking in narrative structure:

(1) Flat atmosphere, at the beginning of the chapter, there is not enough atmosphere through context and symbolism to build the mood of the story. The narrative immediately jumps to what the character is experiencing (sleeping). This makes the atmosphere flat.

You can consider describing the room's atmosphere briefly (what the room is like, what the room's decoration is like, what the bed looks like) at the beginning of the chapter to build a vibe for the reader.

(2) Abstract character visualization at the beginning. The narrative immediately jumps to the character's name in the chapter introduction. As a result, new readers have difficulty visualizing the character. Who is he? How does it look? I thought the character visualization was given in the previous chapters.

But consider this... new readers to web novels can come from any chapter. For new readers (who are not familiar with the characters), using the character's name for the introduction at the beginning of the chapter makes the character seem abstract.

Instead of starting with the character's name... start the character introduction with one to three characteristics of the character. For example, instead of showing this character's name "Esther"... you could start the character introduction by showing:



This way, new readers can perceive your character more clearly.

(3) Abrupt transitions. The scene between the bedroom and the dining room seems abrupt. The narrative is only separated by *** symbol. This can break the reader's immersion. You might consider writing a smoother transition through symbolism or a summary of the activity. For example:



(4) The narrative still lacks context of space and time and spatial clues. The narrative does not provide enough clues about the relative positions of the characters in the room. So the visualization of the scene is blurry. You can consider describing the layout and position of the characters.

Where is the MC sitting in the dining room? What are the positions of the other characters? What dishes does the MC see as far as the eye can see? This way, your narrative visualization will change from 2D to 3D. For example:



(5) The plot still uses descriptive narration. The narration needs to explain events and objects so it slows down the pacing. You can consider changing the descriptive narration to a cinematic action narrative. The description follows the action. Slip the description into the action. So, the pacing becomes relatively faster.

It's my feedback. I hope it helps (or maybe not).

Regards.

Critical Note:
My assessment may be biased. It's possible that the writing style with a guiding narrator may be your artistic choice.

If so, you can ignore my feedback. You know your own story better than I, a casual reader who happened to pass by and comment.

Edit:
My perception is completely biased. Two scenes are still in the bedroom. The narrative shows the meal scene using a short, abrupt flashback.

That's not good. My perception as a reader is distorted.

Causal readers tend to follow linear, progressive plots. If you want to include a flashback, you need to provide a smoother time transition.
Oh, my, gosh. Love the feedback ! Lots of things I haven't even thought about.

1) gonna try this

2) I start with the character name in this chapter to show whose POV it is, as the previous one was another person's, and before that the POV was in first person (MC).

I thought it would be repetitive if I kept describing their features, but I see the way you did it works too.

(Do people really jump into the middle of a webnovel?)

3) I use *** liberally throughout my book as a way to both "summarize" and to add some dramatization if it makes sense? My thought being that if nothing of interest happens from point A to point B, then it can really be omitted. Maybe.

It can be jarring, as many have pointed out, so I will give it more thought. I even used 4 of these "page breaks" in a 2k word chapter.

4) I don't know about this point. I wanted to create a dreamlike vibe, sort of floaty floaty. Wouldn't hard descriptions... ground the scene?

Still I see your point, kinda like the white room problem, I guess.

This too, I will give some thought.

That said, I did go deeply in debth about the new scene when we finally leave the room.

5) yup agree.

Probably a problem with the way I write: no outline and notes really. Makes it so whatever idea I have in the moment gets put down immediately. Sort of stream-of-consciousness-like? Can I call it that?

I'm guessing cinematic description is the same as dynamic description? Totally forgot that literary device was a thing

End)

Biased or not biased, it still gave my brain something to play with so thanks ! :blob_cookie:

Regarding linear progression, never ! There are even some parts in my story where I reference the future, flashforward(?).
But yeah, I do have to smoothen out the time transitions.


Amazing feedback ! Really top stuff. Now I only need to leave my bed and have another day of editing.
 

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Do people really jump into the middle of a webnovel?
Well, new readers can come from any chapter. Therefore, character descriptions and context explanations are often repeated in new chapters. It's not that the author is being long-winded in writing the narrative... but rather that these explanations are intentionally inserted to help new readers who happen to pass by.

Therefore, chapters in web novels ideally stand as complete discourse (like short stories) and can be connected thematically in a series.

Try visiting RR, posting a new chapter there... you'll see new visitors reading the newly posted chapter. That means each chapter posted is also a promotional tool to reach new readers.

Let me give you an example: try reading the chapter in this thread. You can see that this chapter can stand as a short story even though it is a continuation of my series.
 
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