Name a trope or genre you wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole in your writing

FluffyGamma

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And this. Oh god, this. Fuck that.
It's like saying everyone else is actually just fucking dumb. It is lazy writing, makes me think someone pissed in my cereal, and then fed me a load a crap I thought was going to be an actually good story. I mean, HOW do you hide that you are completely different than other people and NOT address it ONCE.
 

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Honestly yeah harem.
I cannot understand the appeal. I'm a dood, I understand the only thing better than one cute girl is many cute girls. So like... Make your character get sum then move on. Or bring relationships to emotionally satisfying conclusions, either or.
Nearly every harem anime/manga/webnovels I've seen or read ends up with all the girls being horribly underdeveloped and very unclear whether the girls are actually cool with the situation. That's probably because most authors/mangekas/directors are bad at writing women, but turning them into Pokemon cards to collect doesn't help.
I'm apparently not the SH norm because I'm fairly sexually active. You can have meaningful romantic/sexual relationships with many people without becoming a harem.

Other genres I don't really touch are martial arts–because they have a view on violence I can't relate too–and mecha–because I don't believe anyone who writes those genres actually knows a damn thing about heavy machinery. Related but kinda not is the Tolkien/RPG fantasy, why does fantasy sometimes feel like the least creative genre?
 

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Harem. Because it's hard to write actually compelling harem in this day and age.
Ecchi. It gives me cringe reading them.
BL. I'm not gay enough to write this genre.
 

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Nearly every harem anime/manga/webnovels I've seen or read ends up with all the girls being horribly underdeveloped and very unclear whether the girls are actually cool with the situation.
See? You don't dislike harem. You dislike lazy writing.
 

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@Corty I'm can't say I've never enjoyed media with harem, I like ouran highschool host club (reverse but you get it).
But still like 99% I've seen would be improved with just a character who gets laid sometimes, or honestly by never being made.

Tldr: Yes gud harem gud, but vanishingly few gud harem.
 

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Am quite similiar with corty here.
BL, NTR, Romance, Harem.

Tbh, I don't mind writing a powerful dude having multiple wives or a powerful lass with multiple husbands, but the focus wouldn't be on their romance.
 

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BL, GL, Female Lead, Fanfic.

Just about everything else I've dabbled in in one form or another under pseudonyms, but I've only ever committed fully to writing my current story.

All the others were things I wrote with no commitment, and just for practice, and all of them are abandoned mid-story. I feel bad because across 4 websites I've had so many followers across pseudonyms and stories that I stopped writing that had more readers than my current story, and they'll never be finished.
 

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I can't offhand think of any genre/trope that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole-- that implies to me I wouldn't even lightly engage with the idea to examine or deconstruct it?

Basically everything people have mentioned so far, I've written at least a little that touched on it.

I've written Isekai smut anti-power fantasy with a harem, lots of polyamory and sharing, elements that could be considered NTR, and cat/rabbit girls.
(I Was A Hero In Another World But My Dog-Girl Slave Swapped Places With Me And Now I Can’t Disobey Her)

I've written secret identity GL romance smut... with monogamy, of all things, if you can believe it.
(An Inclement Proposal)

Their Pet Next Door has strong tragic elements-- at least so far, heck if I know for sure precisely where anything I write will land.

I've written bisexual protagonist kind of a lot. I've written an ultrashort BL. I've had mild Wuxia / Xanxia inspiration for a few things I wrote.

I may never go full Historical or Fanfiction, because they're more research-focused and I'd be terrified of majorly fucking up at it, but maybe if I get on a huge research kick on a particular topic sometime... I find research fun sometimes, after all! But I have been inspired by history, and by other works of fiction.

I haven't written a LitRPG yet, and haven't had a mech into anything. Somehow haven't written any succubi yet? ...huh, I should probably write something with a succubus sometime!

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It's absolutely legit to not write or read certain elements in fiction-- offhand, I'm not interested in ultragrimdark stuff, the lack of contrast just makes things dull for me, personally... but I don't mind looking at the shadows there, to contrast with the light.

NTR tends to be focus on a very specific set of feelings from infidelity that I find kinda repetitive and not my vibe-- but that doesn't mean I'm not going to write about people having feelings from infidelity.

There's potentially interesting things to be harvested out of genres and tropes you don't like, if you're willing to poke at them with ten foot poles and see what oozes out!
 

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See? You don't dislike harem. You dislike lazy writing.

Oh I certainly hear that one. Just look at the works of Rumiko Takahashi, the undisputed mother of the Harem genre, and how absolutely fantastic her works were. I mean, freaking Ranma 1/2. Everyone knows that series is a legend among anime and manga, and the funny thing is that very few people talk about the fact that it was a freaking huge tripple-harem series, with Ranma having both normal and reverse harems in their respective male and female forms, and Akane also being in a love-triangle position on every member of fem-Ranma's harem. And yet, despite fully half the episodes in the series being about Ranma being chased by his/her harems of both genders, most people remember it more for it's gender bender and martial arts aspects. Although they'll admit it's a harem, anyone will tell you that didn't detract from it in the least and likely even enhanced the series.

Then look at Love Hina, the first sign the West got of how Harem had all too quickly fallen down a very dark path. It is the earliest I care to look to find the early versions of just about every one of the tired old Harem tropes, and the genre has only gotten worse from there. (EDIT: Also, why did that series have TWO girls in the harem list who were in Junior High school? A lot of the series now will throw in one just for filling the quota, which is also a practice that needs to die. And if you ask which practice between including token lolis and following a quota of rolls to toss into the harem just because they are on the list? The answer is yes. But, anyway, back to the subject. Love Hina had TWO middle schoolers!)

I don't think I'd give Harem the 10 foot pole treatment, but if I ever were to approach it I'd either emulate Rumiko Takahashi's model and really put actual effort into the dynamics of the whole thing, skipping the tired old tropes and going back to before they were established with just writing characters that are good, and preferably funny for reasons that have nothing at all to do with abusing the MC (because abuse is never funny anyway, and it's even worse in text than it is in manga or anime).

Or, if I don't go that route, while still not a 10 foot pole, I'd at least go in with gloves and approach it in something like the Mushoku Tensei angle. Actually really consider whether or not the girls are alright with it, and explore the emotional turmoil created by a dynamic like that.

Either way, if I ever approach the harem concept, it will not be anything like the standard Harem genre as we know it today.

EDIT: Oh, 3rd lower-case h harem option that is nothing like the capital H Harem genre of today. One could also approach harems via the route of Ascendance of a Bookworm. I don't think anyone in their right mind would try to argue that is a Harem series, but there are quite a number of guys among the nobles in that series who have 3 wives each. In fact, it seems to be something of a cultural expectation among the nobles for any guy to take on 3 wives. Usually not more, but if you only have one or two wives then you will be just as pressured to add another one as you would if you had no wife.
 
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  • Smut/erotica, for religious and personal reasons.
  • LitRPG, because I find the numbers to be pointless and annoying. I also have a difficult time enjoying writing it.
  • Power fantasy, because it's not for me. I don't want a power trip so I have a problem writing characters from a power abusing mentality. It can also be very easy to make the character a Mary Sue without realizing it.
Same for the first, and I'm trying to move away from. Litrpg, or at least stem how much number spam there is. I'm getting tired of it but it's too popular and works well for the kinds of stories I write sadly.

As for power fantasy, it only works when being powerful isn't the main goal of the MC, or rather being powerful doesn't directly help them achieve their actual goals. I kind of want to write a story like this, but it's far away and the powerful person won't even be the main protagonist starting out.
 

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Harem. Because it's hard to write actually compelling harem in this day and age.
Ecchi. It gives me cringe reading them.
BL. I'm not gay enough to write this genre.
Man really say not gay enough.. bro haha :sneaky:
 

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Can you please elaborate a little bit on this?
I think the popularity of the harem genre is in large part due to juvenile male (and female sometimes too) desire to have relations with lots of people–which I relate too–but keeping them all around as collectables after is not normal or in my opinion a healthy idea.
If you want your self-insert/audience-insert to be popular with the ladies, make him popular with the ladies. Just don't imply the ladies are just sooo into him that they're cool hanging onto his arm no matter what he does with who. That feels demeaning. Like respect and affection don't need to be reciprocated.
My two cents anyway.
 

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I think the popularity of the harem genre is in large part due to juvenile male (and female sometimes too) desire to have relations with lots of people–which I relate too–but keeping them all around as collectables after is not normal or in my opinion a healthy idea.
If you want your self-insert/audience-insert to be popular with the ladies, make him popular with the ladies. Just don't imply the ladies are just sooo into him that they're cool hanging onto his arm no matter what he does with who. That feels demeaning. Like respect and affection don't need to be reciprocated.
My two cents anyway.
Huh?
 
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