Multiple country militaries isekai'd and trapped in another world

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

One more thing I wanted to ask you guys, if buildings around the military bases that were teleported were also transported, with the people inside, would that be okay, or is that a bit too far-fetched?

Yes, that's ok. Dino Crisis did it three times i think and it's a pretty amazing game.

considering the fact that an immortal god just summoned them because he can’t interfere with the mortal world I think it makes sense to give them blessings if their weapons stopped working there.
I think that it wouldn’t exactly be a “curb stomp” because sure, it would be one sided in a large scale battlefield with J20’s, su57’s, and f35’s could probably destroy any ariel attackers and even ground force, and don’t even mention the tanks, bombers, artillery and others which would probably decimate forces using swords and spears and bows.
However, in close quarters there would probably be casualties considering medieval soldiers probably have more hand-to-hand combat experience although that could also be prevented with shotguns and smgs. If a Blackhawk was show with a ballista bolt then that thing is going straight down, if a mage managed to send a fireball then the soldiers would definitely still get hurt and some could even die from extreme burns.
Speaking of the dwarves, we know they are great at making things and inventing, but what if they have never thought of something like a gun and focused more on what they are used to and improving on it? If the dwarves haven’t become a fighting force and are practicing isolationism then that’s another explanation to why everything is so medieval. Dwarves wouldn’t have had to make Kevlar if there was nothing with that much penetration power in if they never needed it they would never create it.
I can’t actually say “politics” won’t be a thing, but not their “old world” politics since their new world would have all types of different countries.

Yes I am planning the story out now and will probably release chapter 1 this week. I thought just learning about one military was hard but now I’m learning about 3.
Also, if there was any romance in this at all would you guys kill me?

If the immortal god can't interfere with the mortal world he can't bless them. Consitency.
You're thinking from a purely people vs people warfrare perspective. A magic world should have monsters. Some as big as the eiffel tower, others as small as ants. If there's no system of levels, then they'd need to create better technology. If the world is more than 2000 years old, guns have already been thought of. Simple as that, no matter what. Fireworks, cannons for ships to fight krakens, leviathans, etc. Don't intentionally limit the other world so that modern guns can shine. If people made boats they must have thought about a way to fight the sea serpents if they exist.
The way you talk about the other world makes me think it has nothing to threaten the people, other than other people. If so, magical warfare must be pretty advanced and they must have thought about a capitalist idea like SELLING THEIR KEVLAR TO THE WORLD?! but no, fantasy people are retards apparently. Isolation why? because some made-up pride for the species? If you have anything, it needs a solid justification that makes sense when explained. Not 'ah, they don't have it simply because they didn't think about it'. Guns existed in the medieval period. They sucked, because we hoomies were pretty shit back then.

Google searching 'first firearm' results in this.
The first firearms originated in 10th-century China, when bamboo tubes containing gunpowder and pellet projectiles were mounted on spears to make the portable fire lance, operable by a single person, which was later used to good effect in the Siege of De'an in 1132.

Its okay to explain why they don't have technology that can stand against guns, but that's been done a billion times already. Simply change the one army into multiple, change internal conflict with conflict among the countries, and be done. It's a matter of replacing at this point. And that's pretty boring.
Even though it's satyre, Megumin from Konosuba is a pretty funny and extreme example of how powerful magic can get.

If there's romance, it'd be awesome! A general getting it on with an Elven princess? Oof bby that'd be fingerlicking good.

You missed the point. GATE is a deconstruction of the problems you are pointing out. The dragons have titanium laced scales. The locals with their toy swords and bows CAN'T harm them. The closest they can get is stealing wyvern eggs and taming those. It takes modern weaponry to hurt the real thing.

I'm not the one downplaying magic. The entire Fantasy genre is downplaying magic. If you have a string that can make bows go real shooty, then make a damn automatic crossbow that goes even shootier. Make clothes that stop cannonballs. Make rope that can restrain Hercules.

You have a geomancer that can stop a projectile moving at the speed of sound. So why can this guy who's immune to bullets be killed by a peasant with a rusty old sword? Because plot.
If your Napalm wizard can be killed by a stray shot from a normal, nonmagical bow, why wouldn't he die when shot with a machine gun?

If your dwarf can make kevlar in his sleep, why doesn't he make enough to supply the entire world? Maybe dwarves are hostile to the rest of the world? Why don't the dwarves take over the world with their Modern Technology? Why can they make Kevlar, but not sewers?!?

You are right that magic should be more. But you're also trying to make sticks equal to rifles. You can't have both. The only working excuse for why a fantasy world is medieval is because magic hasn't been fully fleshed out as a science. If it has, then you'd be working with Modern vs. Modern settings, with one being Modern Magic, and the other being Modern Science. Alternatively, you could have Sci-Fi level magic curb stomp Modern Science.

GATE is a shitshow when it comes to any degree of logic. Titanium laced scales? How does that monster move or fly with that weight? It's a Jap circlejerk with good animation and tits and lolis. The only good thing to come out of GATE is the NTR doujins.
But when did OP say it was medieval? He only said fantasy and Magic. You were the one to mention medieval times first? Dunno why you argue that point? I said medieval magic along with enchanting would be similar to modern warfare technology, because magic increases any and all energy delivery. Modern Magic should absolutely curb stomp modern technology, not even talking about 'futuristic' magic.
Magic is the use of applied sciences without the tools we need. A magic world would never go into medieval times for as long as we did.

 

[WriterOfVeralis]

Yes, that's ok. Dino Crisis did it three times i think and it's a pretty amazing game.

If the immortal god can't interfere with the mortal world he can't bless them. Consitency.
You're thinking from a purely people vs people warfrare perspective. A magic world should have monsters. Some as big as the eiffel tower, others as small as ants. If there's no system of levels, then they'd need to create better technology. If the world is more than 2000 years old, guns have already been thought of. Simple as that, no matter what. Fireworks, cannons for ships to fight krakens, leviathans, etc. Don't intentionally limit the other world so that modern guns can shine. If people made boats they must have thought about a way to fight the sea serpents if they exist.
The way you talk about the other world makes me think it has nothing to threaten the people, other than other people. If so, magical warfare must be pretty advanced and they must have thought about a capitalist idea like SELLING THEIR KEVLAR TO THE WORLD?! but no, fantasy people are retards apparently. Isolation why? because some made-up pride for the species? If you have anything, it needs a solid justification that makes sense when explained. Not 'ah, they don't have it simply because they didn't think about it'. Guns existed in the medieval period. They sucked, because we hoomies were pretty shit back then.

Google searching 'first firearm' results in this.
The first firearms originated in 10th-century China, when bamboo tubes containing gunpowder and pellet projectiles were mounted on spears to make the portable fire lance, operable by a single person, which was later used to good effect in the Siege of De'an in 1132.

Its okay to explain why they don't have technology that can stand against guns, but that's been done a billion times already. Simply change the one army into multiple, change internal conflict with conflict among the countries, and be done. It's a matter of replacing at this point. And that's pretty boring.
Even though it's satyre, Megumin from Konosuba is a pretty funny and extreme example of how powerful magic can get.

If there's romance, it'd be awesome! A general getting it on with an Elven princess? Oof bby that'd be fingerlicking good.


GATE is a shitshow when it comes to any degree of logic. Titanium laced scales? How does that monster move or fly with that weight? It's a Jap circlejerk with good animation and tits and lolis. The only good thing to come out of GATE is the NTR doujins.
But when did OP say it was medieval? He only said fantasy and Magic. You were the one to mention medieval times first? Dunno why you argue that point? I said medieval magic along with enchanting would be similar to modern warfare technology, because magic increases any and all energy delivery. Modern Magic should absolutely curb stomp modern technology, not even talking about 'futuristic' magic.
Magic is the use of applied sciences without the tools we need. A magic world would never go into medieval times for as long as we did.

Well, considering how the "general" fantasy trope is like it would probably be medieval-esque. However, it won't be as one-sided as GATE, considering literally none of the JSDF died during the whole anime. A grunt getting blasted full-on by a fireball? Yeah no, you're dead af. The only thing I can think of is the fact that magic could be very limited and there are few magicians that actually exist in the world, and it is considered a "blessing". I'm not going to go as far as just sending people in with tanks for like 10 chapters into a mess of soldiers and say "yeah no one got hurt and they shot a bunch of guys" I think we need to acknowledge that the enemies actually have intelligence. They could build deep pitfalls and literally cook it with oil until the crew burnt alive. Ballistas could definitely take out a Blackhawk if it landed a direct hit considering even birds can take out a chopper if they get stuck in the blades. On actual battlefields, arrows and swords can still kill a person wielding a gun, especially in an ambush since melee distance would force them to change to knives and bayonets and clubbing them with their guns unless the troop has shotguns and SMGs, which when they run out of ammo and you need to reload the enemies swords definitely don't need to reload.

So basically it boils down to Strategy, Strategy, and more strategy.

don't run in like idiots
don't get too cocky
and for god's sake don't let the enemies get their hands on your guns

use artillery, use bombers, and if you need distractions or more troops get an alliance with another country.

though I don't know what anyone can do about jets that fly at the speed of sound,

 

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

Well, considering how the "general" fantasy trope is like it would probably be medieval-esque. However, it won't be as one-sided as GATE, considering literally none of the JSDF died during the whole anime. A grunt getting blasted full-on by a fireball? Yeah no, you're dead af. The only thing I can think of is the fact that magic could be very limited and there are few magicians that actually exist in the world, and it is considered a "blessing". I'm not going to go as far as just sending people in with tanks for like 10 chapters into a mess of soldiers and say "yeah no one got hurt and they shot a bunch of guys" I think we need to acknowledge that the enemies actually have intelligence. They could build deep pitfalls and literally cook it with oil until the crew burnt alive. Ballistas could definitely take out a Blackhawk if it landed a direct hit considering even birds can take out a chopper if they get stuck in the blades. On actual battlefields, arrows and swords can still kill a person wielding a gun, especially in an ambush since melee distance would force them to change to knives and bayonets and clubbing them with their guns unless the troop has shotguns and SMGs, which when they run out of ammo and you need to reload the enemies swords definitely don't need to reload.

So basically it boils down to Strategy, Strategy, and more strategy.

don't run in like idiots
don't get too cocky
and for god's sake don't let the enemies get their hands on your guns

use artillery, use bombers, and if you need distractions or more troops get an alliance with another country.

though I don't know what anyone can do about jets that fly at the speed of sound,

Yeah, a softer/restricted magic system would make things incredibly easier.
Makes me think why fantasy nations would go to war against the three countries when they have 'superior' waponry. Makes me even think about war crimes a little. If they have no higher ups pushing for conflict, maybe they even avoid the conflict some times. Like, they could use a low-yield nuclear bomb as a show of strength. If you have Russians they could even use the Tsar Bomba for shits and giggles with modern airplains (Antonov an-124).
Dunno, a lot of things to consider tbh.

 

[Cipiteca396]

But when did OP say it was medieval? He only said fantasy and Magic. You were the one to mention medieval times first?

Well, considering how the "general" fantasy trope is like it would probably be medieval-esque

With that out of the way...

I said medieval magic along with enchanting would be similar to modern warfare technology, because magic increases any and all energy delivery.

This just doesn't make sense. If magic is capable of replicating or surpassing modern tech, then it should DO SO. The society wouldn't be medieval. It would be modern. You can't have both.

I think we need to acknowledge that the enemies actually have intelligence. They could build deep pitfalls and literally cook it with oil until the crew burnt alive. Ballistas could definitely take out a Blackhawk if it landed a direct hit considering even birds can take out a chopper if they get stuck in the blades. On actual battlefields, arrows and swords can still kill a person wielding a gun, especially in an ambush since melee distance would force them to change to knives and bayonets and clubbing them with their guns unless the troop has shotguns and SMGs, which when they run out of ammo and you need to reload the enemies swords definitely don't need to reload.

So basically it boils down to Strategy, Strategy, and more strategy.

Spoiler: The difference between Modern and Medieval

You should also acknowledge that your soldiers have experience and intelligence. It's true that a few kids might make bad decisions, or get flustered in real combat. But they have better training, years of education, and generally better health than a medieval warrior.
A modern unit of soldiers would be well aware of the range difference between a rifle and a bow, a ballista and guided missiles. They would never enter a range where they could be shot at. Not unless they were ambushed. Which should never happen. Modern scouting technology and knowledge is just too effective to be defeated by whatever trickery medieval warriors could pull off. A mage that can cloak an army would be far better utilized elsewhere, before you suggest it.
In melee, a soldier is trained to use martial techniques to make distance and shoot the enemy(about half a meter). There is no 'forced to use bayonets'. A rifle does the same amount of damage point blank as it does from 300 meters.
Ammo is definitely a concern. However, unless you drop them directly into combat, the military is trained to deal with scarcity. They would ration their ammo and food, try to utilize their weapons to the best effect. Don't waste bullets shooting into a 1000 strong rank of hoplites. Fire one or two missiles and make them rout from fear and shellshock.

To summarize... Don't treat sticks like rifles. Your enemy is intelligent, yes. And it might be fun to give them a few moments. But almost anything they can do, a more experienced force will be prepared for. May even do it first. Honor is no longer an issue, for modern soldiers. Your modern military troops are going to completely overwhelm any and all resistance, just like in GATE, just like in real life when the New World was discovered, just like when Africa was disembowelled.

(You might look up some stuff about South Africa, actually. There were cases where industrial technology was overturned by superior tactics. They should serve as a good reference, though not for your story. If you want to depict a certain nation as looking like idiots, you can have them make dumb mistakes and get crushed by the locals, but that runs counter to your stated purpose. Realistically, your soldiers will be aware of any tactics you can think of, so being surprised by something like that will make them look outrageously stupid. A modern soldier is significantly more fluent in strategy than greedy imperialists.)

So basically it boils down to Strategy, Strategy, and more strategy.

Makes me think why fantasy nations would go to war against the three countries when they have 'superior' waponry.

The only time your side should be blindsided is when magic or diplomacy is involved. If you make an alliance and get betrayed, if the only sorcerer in the country decides he doesn't like you. The result should not be devastating for your side. As discussed, if magic was capable of going toe-to-toe with Tech, the society just wouldn't be medieval. It makes no sense. Since the society is medieval, it means the limits of magic are too much to provide more than an inconvenience. The backstabbing, on the other hand, could be quite dangerous.

But again... Impractical. As Kusa pointed out, there's no reason to fight against the... Coalition? Your guys are literally the representatives of this world's gods. They're here to bring order, they have weapons that could crush your entire city. There's no reason to fight. Only fools would. And fools will, surely. You might manage to make a decent slice of life where no open fighting occurs, and it's just people helping each other before getting sent home. That could be fun. But then, there's no reason for the god to summon them. SOMEBODY is being a little shit out there, somewhere.

 

[WriterOfVeralis]

Yes, that's ok. Dino Crisis did it three times i think and it's a pretty amazing game.

If the immortal god can't interfere with the mortal world he can't bless them. Consitency.
You're thinking from a purely people vs people warfrare perspective. A magic world should have monsters. Some as big as the eiffel tower, others as small as ants. If there's no system of levels, then they'd need to create better technology. If the world is more than 2000 years old, guns have already been thought of. Simple as that, no matter what. Fireworks, cannons for ships to fight krakens, leviathans, etc. Don't intentionally limit the other world so that modern guns can shine. If people made boats they must have thought about a way to fight the sea serpents if they exist.
The way you talk about the other world makes me think it has nothing to threaten the people, other than other people. If so, magical warfare must be pretty advanced and they must have thought about a capitalist idea like SELLING THEIR KEVLAR TO THE WORLD?! but no, fantasy people are retards apparently. Isolation why? because some made-up pride for the species? If you have anything, it needs a solid justification that makes sense when explained. Not 'ah, they don't have it simply because they didn't think about it'. Guns existed in the medieval period. They sucked, because we hoomies were pretty shit back then.

Google searching 'first firearm' results in this.
The first firearms originated in 10th-century China, when bamboo tubes containing gunpowder and pellet projectiles were mounted on spears to make the portable fire lance, operable by a single person, which was later used to good effect in the Siege of De'an in 1132.

Its okay to explain why they don't have technology that can stand against guns, but that's been done a billion times already. Simply change the one army into multiple, change internal conflict with conflict among the countries, and be done. It's a matter of replacing at this point. And that's pretty boring.
Even though it's satyre, Megumin from Konosuba is a pretty funny and extreme example of how powerful magic can get.

If there's romance, it'd be awesome! A general getting it on with an Elven princess? Oof bby that'd be fingerlicking good.


GATE is a shitshow when it comes to any degree of logic. Titanium laced scales? How does that monster move or fly with that weight? It's a Jap circlejerk with good animation and tits and lolis. The only good thing to come out of GATE is the NTR doujins.
But when did OP say it was medieval? He only said fantasy and Magic. You were the one to mention medieval times first? Dunno why you argue that point? I said medieval magic along with enchanting would be similar to modern warfare technology, because magic increases any and all energy delivery. Modern Magic should absolutely curb stomp modern technology, not even talking about 'futuristic' magic.
Magic is the use of applied sciences without the tools we need. A magic world would never go into medieval times for as long as we did.

With that out of the way...

This just doesn't make sense. If magic is capable of replicating or surpassing modern tech, then it should DO SO. The society wouldn't be medieval. It would be modern. You can't have both.

Spoiler: The difference between Modern and Medieval

You should also acknowledge that your soldiers have experience and intelligence. It's true that a few kids might make bad decisions, or get flustered in real combat. But they have better training, years of education, and generally better health than a medieval warrior.
A modern unit of soldiers would be well aware of the range difference between a rifle and a bow, a ballista and guided missiles. They would never enter a range where they could be shot at. Not unless they were ambushed. Which should never happen. Modern scouting technology and knowledge is just too effective to be defeated by whatever trickery medieval warriors could pull off. A mage that can cloak an army would be far better utilized elsewhere, before you suggest it.
In melee, a soldier is trained to use martial techniques to make distance and shoot the enemy(about half a meter). There is no 'forced to use bayonets'. A rifle does the same amount of damage point blank as it does from 300 meters.
Ammo is definitely a concern. However, unless you drop them directly into combat, the military is trained to deal with scarcity. They would ration their ammo and food, try to utilize their weapons to the best effect. Don't waste bullets shooting into a 1000 strong rank of hoplites. Fire one or two missiles and make them rout from fear and shellshock.

To summarize... Don't treat sticks like rifles. Your enemy is intelligent, yes. And it might be fun to give them a few moments. But almost anything they can do, a more experienced force will be prepared for. May even do it first. Honor is no longer an issue, for modern soldiers. Your modern military troops are going to completely overwhelm any and all resistance, just like in GATE, just like in real life when the New World was discovered, just like when Africa was disembowelled.

(You might look up some stuff about South Africa, actually. There were cases where industrial technology was overturned by superior tactics. They should serve as a good reference, though not for your story. If you want to depict a certain nation as looking like idiots, you can have them make dumb mistakes and get crushed by the locals, but that runs counter to your stated purpose. Realistically, your soldiers will be aware of any tactics you can think of, so being surprised by something like that will make them look outrageously stupid. A modern soldier is significantly more fluent in strategy than greedy imperialists.)

The only time your side should be blindsided is when magic or diplomacy is involved. If you make an alliance and get betrayed, if the only sorcerer in the country decides he doesn't like you. The result should not be devastating for your side. As discussed, if magic was capable of going toe-to-toe with Tech, the society just wouldn't be medieval. It makes no sense. Since the society is medieval, it means the limits of magic are too much to provide more than an inconvenience. The backstabbing, on the other hand, could be quite dangerous.

But again... Impractical. As Kusa pointed out, there's no reason to fight against the... Coalition? Your guys are literally the representatives of this world's gods. They're here to bring order, they have weapons that could crush your entire city. There's no reason to fight. Only fools would. And fools will, surely. You might manage to make a decent slice of life where no open fighting occurs, and it's just people helping each other before getting sent home. That could be fun. But then, there's no reason for the god to summon them. SOMEBODY is being a little shit out there, somewhere.

I agree that there will most likely not be any conflict with most “smart” nations. Especially if they demonstrate a show of force when different countries try to test their strength. I still do need an antagonist so either some demons or monster armies or like some evil religious that wipes out heretics or something.
But yeah they will most likely help other countries with security and regional stability and just turn slice of life in some parts but there will definitely be attack sequences.
If one country believes that they are superior and should destroy the new army (especially cult/extremely religious countries) then they’re probably going to get stomped.
But yeah, I guess we’ll see where these guys go

 

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

With that out of the way...

This just doesn't make sense. If magic is capable of replicating or surpassing modern tech, then it should DO SO. The society wouldn't be medieval. It would be modern. You can't have both.

Spoiler: The difference between Modern and Medieval

You should also acknowledge that your soldiers have experience and intelligence. It's true that a few kids might make bad decisions, or get flustered in real combat. But they have better training, years of education, and generally better health than a medieval warrior.
A modern unit of soldiers would be well aware of the range difference between a rifle and a bow, a ballista and guided missiles. They would never enter a range where they could be shot at. Not unless they were ambushed. Which should never happen. Modern scouting technology and knowledge is just too effective to be defeated by whatever trickery medieval warriors could pull off. A mage that can cloak an army would be far better utilized elsewhere, before you suggest it.
In melee, a soldier is trained to use martial techniques to make distance and shoot the enemy(about half a meter). There is no 'forced to use bayonets'. A rifle does the same amount of damage point blank as it does from 300 meters.
Ammo is definitely a concern. However, unless you drop them directly into combat, the military is trained to deal with scarcity. They would ration their ammo and food, try to utilize their weapons to the best effect. Don't waste bullets shooting into a 1000 strong rank of hoplites. Fire one or two missiles and make them rout from fear and shellshock.

To summarize... Don't treat sticks like rifles. Your enemy is intelligent, yes. And it might be fun to give them a few moments. But almost anything they can do, a more experienced force will be prepared for. May even do it first. Honor is no longer an issue, for modern soldiers. Your modern military troops are going to completely overwhelm any and all resistance, just like in GATE, just like in real life when the New World was discovered, just like when Africa was disembowelled.

(You might look up some stuff about South Africa, actually. There were cases where industrial technology was overturned by superior tactics. They should serve as a good reference, though not for your story. If you want to depict a certain nation as looking like idiots, you can have them make dumb mistakes and get crushed by the locals, but that runs counter to your stated purpose. Realistically, your soldiers will be aware of any tactics you can think of, so being surprised by something like that will make them look outrageously stupid. A modern soldier is significantly more fluent in strategy than greedy imperialists.)

The only time your side should be blindsided is when magic or diplomacy is involved. If you make an alliance and get betrayed, if the only sorcerer in the country decides he doesn't like you. The result should not be devastating for your side. As discussed, if magic was capable of going toe-to-toe with Tech, the society just wouldn't be medieval. It makes no sense. Since the society is medieval, it means the limits of magic are too much to provide more than an inconvenience. The backstabbing, on the other hand, could be quite dangerous.

But again... Impractical. As Kusa pointed out, there's no reason to fight against the... Coalition? Your guys are literally the representatives of this world's gods. They're here to bring order, they have weapons that could crush your entire city. There's no reason to fight. Only fools would. And fools will, surely. You might manage to make a decent slice of life where no open fighting occurs, and it's just people helping each other before getting sent home. That could be fun. But then, there's no reason for the god to summon them. SOMEBODY is being a little shit out there, somewhere.

... what even?
"Medieval" is a sociocultural era, nothing to do with technological warfare. You can see how different technologies were through europe during the same years and see that it was still medieval times. The medieval period didn't end with the first gun, but with the voyage of Cristobal Colon and the subsequent discovery of the Americas. Nothing to do with how they had guns in Estonia already.

OP mentioned the medieval-esque thing after your post, when I questioned your absolute lack of foundation to bring that up.

You have no clue whatsoever about the medieval period. Like, at all. Healthy? Educated? Like, the soldiers will know about atoms, and the medieval people wont? So what? What's that got to do? Or do you think the average citizen was stupid or uneducated back then?

Bows CAN be enchanted to be stronger than a 9mm AND the people not having solar panels. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Modern Magic would be having a smartphone instead of a wand to cast spells. Firearms are fucking primitive, around a thousand years old. There's a reason they are called boom-STICKS.

 

[Snusmumriken]

Bows CAN be enchanted to be stronger than a 9mm

Dude, that is like your opinion, man.

You harp on him on historical details, yet railroad a very specific concept of magic that OP didn't even elaborate that much about. How do you know the magic is really that strong? hell, how do you know they can enchant anything?

 

[Cipiteca396]

... what even?
"Medieval" is a sociocultural era, nothing to do with technological warfare. You can see how different technologies were through europe during the same years and see that it was still medieval times. The medieval period didn't end with the first gun, but with the voyage of Cristobal Colon and the subsequent discovery of the Americas. Nothing to do with how they had guns in Estonia already.

OP mentioned the medieval-esque thing after your post, when I questioned your absolute lack of foundation to bring that up.

You have no clue whatsoever about the medieval period. Like, at all. Healthy? Educated? Like, the soldiers will know about atoms, and the medieval people wont? So what? What's that got to do? Or do you think the average citizen was stupid or uneducated back then?

Bows CAN be enchanted to be stronger than a 9mm AND the people not having solar panels. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Modern Magic would be having a smartphone instead of a wand to cast spells. Firearms are fucking primitive, around a thousand years old. There's a reason they are called boom-STICKS.

I'm using medieval in this case to represent the common, generally understood idea of low/mid level technology, with feudal governance and whatever other stereotypes are associated with it. Specifically, because that idea is heavily associated with Fantasy, which we are talking about. The OP didn't mention Medieval anything, but they did mention Fantasy. They also clarified that, yes, they would be following that stereotype. So don't get distracted.

The soldiers may or may not know about atoms. But more relevantly, they would be aware of at least some of the innovations made in warfare in the last hundred years. Even if, by some convoluted means, the people of the other world were also aware of such things or tactics that our side is unaware of, our side should have at least enough knowledge to recognize that something is up...

You mistake intelligence and stupidity for knowledge and ignorance. There were intelligent people thousands of years ago. But they didn't build spaceships. I wonder why? Someone who lacks the knowledge and experience to understand what they're seeing is at a disadvantage to someone who has that knowledge.

Lastly... I won't bother arguing about the magic in this world, since neither of us knows how it works yet. Instead, my point is extremely simple. If you can enchant a bow to work better than a sniper rifle, why don't you enchant other things. Why is this one, pathetically useless thing that only serves one purpose, the only thing you bothered to use magic on. Do you think they are too stupid to realize the potential for farming, architecture, transportation, communication, and all the other things that a society would care about? The second you add one enchanted item, you imply the existence of many, many more. And that's perfectly fine... but it means it's not a low tech setting anymore.

Dude, that is like your opinion, man.

You harp on him on historical details, yet railroad a very specific concept of magic that OP didn't even elaborate that much about. How do you know the magic is really that strong? hell, how do you know they can enchant anything?

Don't worry, we're making the same point, just in really loud voices so it seems like we're arguing.

 

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

Dude, that is like your opinion, man.

Of course that's my opinion, which OP asked and it turned into a conversation with cipiteca.

You harp on him on historical details, yet railroad a very specific concept of magic that OP didn't even elaborate that much about. How do you know the magic is really that strong? hell, how do you know they can enchant anything?

It's the posibility of magic in warfare, so things would be specific around that. And yes, it's just me throwing ideas around to see if they can help OP write a more solid world if he sees it helps. If not, then cool beans.
I'll do you a better one: how do we know it's NOT like that? Do you want me to agree with everything? Then the thread would be full of 'sure', 'yeah', 'cool'. Why not expand on the posibilities? If we're talking about a fantasy world with magic then many posibilities open up, which is fun to fling to the proverbial wall. This all obviously holds shit if they don't enchant, but it doesn't mean we can't talk about it. Maybe even use magic wood? Magic string? See? It's fun to explore it. Why settle on sucking the metaphorical cock of guns?

 

[Snusmumriken]

I don't agree with guns supremacy either. And I am actually rather dubious how long would these armies survive without the industrial complex supporting them non-stop. They would need to rely on serious magic to supplement their dwindling supplies of ammunition and other expendables. As well as maintain all that precise machinery they might have.

And if you think about magic why stop at "same but better" why not go the other ways? what if the spells are sung and battle spells require walking marching brigades to be effective, constantly spewing chorus fireballs at their enemies. What about art? maybe the magic is about turning pictures into reality and it is the skill of the artist that allows for more exotic effects.

IF OP wishes to write about two worlds clashing - the first step is to always define and worldbuild both sides.

 

[WriterOfVeralis]

It’s finally happening guys!

Earths Army In Another World

As the god's battleground starts to turn into anarchy with justice and prosperity disappearing and instead being replaced by pain and suffering, the goddess of Justice and Prosperity has to do something that no other god or goddess has done. Call upon the forces of a godless planet. She wanted...

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[Ai-chan]

Personally, Ai-chan thinks it would be more interesting if a country on civil war, such as Rwanda or Syria were transported into another world. Since their point of conflict: land, religion and ideology; matters less in this world filled with primitives, it would be interesting to see what authors can come up with.

Would it be a free for all? Would it be a war of influence? Would this country become like demons in isekai stories, spreading throughout the world with their superior weapons and staking their claims on this primitive new world?

 

[WriterOfVeralis]

Personally, Ai-chan thinks it would be more interesting if a country on civil war, such as Rwanda or Syria were transported into another world. Since their point of conflict: land, religion and ideology; matters less in this world filled with primitives, it would be interesting to see what authors can come up with.

Would it be a free for all? Would it be a war of influence? Would this country become like demons in isekai stories, spreading throughout the world with their superior weapons and staking their claims on this primitive new world?

I like this idea, but personally I don’t think I can execute this idea very well. I’m very much a military and slice of life guy, and though I can write about ideologies and such I am not proficient at it. Also there are actually main characters instead of a country as a whole

 

[Cipiteca396]

*Earth's Armies

Since they belong to Earth and there's more than one.

 

[WriterOfVeralis]

New Chapter is out!

 

[Nhatduongg]

New Chapter is out!

You might want to announce it in your status instead, just suggesting.

 

[WriterOfVeralis]

You might want to announce it in your status instead, just suggesting.

No ones following me

 

[Cipiteca396]

No ones following me

Posts on your personal profile page show up in the What's New tab, right after all the new forum posts. I'm not sure why. But... People will definitely see it.

 

[Nhatduongg]

No ones following me

I followed you.

 

[WriterOfVeralis]

Chapter 3 is up! It’s my longest chapter as of yet!

Also, you should join my discord, it’s pretty cool and stuff

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Discord is great for playing games and chilling with friends, or even building a worldwide community. Customize your own space to talk, play, and hang out.

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