Modern shounen manga is trash.

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A month has passed since the day I asked for modern shounen manga recs. In that month I've tried out 20+ shounens. To ease the search, I made up my own criterias of what is a modern shounen. A Japanese manga that is tagged as shounen, came out 2018+, no isekais.

Majority of those shounens is fucking trash. Boring, unimaginative, generic, tropey pieces of trash. It's not about me liking them or disliking them. It's an objective fact. We have five or six stories about assassins, we have three or more stories about onmyoji, gazillion sports shounens about dancing, and so on.

All while themes of the stories are the most predictable crap ever. Oh wow, a story about human-like androids? We should definetely write the whole story around a question of "what is soul, and what makes a human, human." Of course we have to, cause it's so new and unique, no one has done it before.

Oh, we have a middle-aged MC? Yeah, make him act like a highschooler. Put the most blatant, obvious "red and blue oni" trope in your story. Don't forget to kill off a character that readers do not care about, cause deaths make your work mature. Make lots of absurd humor cause you are funny, and you must make your characters act as if all the absurdities are normal, it is also very unique.

Don't you dare make normal people with understandable motivations, every character have to be soooooo deep, deeper than mariana trench. By the way, MC has to gather comrades one by one, MC has to have a squad, and every new member of the squad has to have a sobby backstory. Make the most contrived powers if you are writing a battle shounen. And sometimes, you can even make a manga with a plothole the size of a Mirny's diamond mine, readers are gonna read it anyway.

There are obviously exceptions, but it's a drop in the ocean of mediocrity. Welp, at least I understand why there is no new "big three."
 

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I think kagurabachi is the savior you are looking for. And choujin X, but that's by the guy who made tokyo ghoul so it's not exactly a new author.
 

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I think a part of it is subjective, but in general almost all popular genres feel like they're degrading. When I go to Scribble.Hub's main page or RoyalRoad's trending page, I can barely find interesting stories now. Almost all of them feel either so generic I don't even want to check or unnecessarily convoluted.

Shounen is probably even worse in that regard because it's older than the genres popular on Scribble and RR.
 
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Boring, unimaginative, generic, tropey pieces of trash
I dun know.... arent every cliche is a new experience for someone?

Then again, I do think 90% of all media produced, in every decade in history is pure trash.

Only the cream rise to the top. And we only remember those.

Wait. What?
"Big three" wasn't big three meant to be generic? If it's not generic, why big three.
 

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I dun know.... arent every cliche is a new experience for someone?
Yes. But being cliche isn't my main gripe. How they end up being cliche is what matters to me.
Wait. What?
"Big three" wasn't big three meant to be generic? If it's not generic, why big three.
Big three are three shounen manga from the same magazine that were hyper popular simultaneously.
 

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Is vampire shounen a thing?
 

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I think a part of it is subjective,
Obviously you will write this since you were the one who recommended Gachiakuta. Gachiakuta is a rare exceptions when it comes to setting. Nevertheless, I am not making up the numbers. It is objective fact that there is a lot of shounen manga about assassins and onmyoji. And this is jsut the tip of the genericness iceberg. What happened to individuality? A lot of old shounens are in fact not much better, especially popular ones. However they had individuality, a setting you won't find anywhere else. I'm not saying you can't copy others either, but when we have 7!!! stories about assassins, you start thinking that something ain't right.

P.S. I'm not making that number up. I can tell you all the titles, and I bet it won't even be all of them. At least 7 stories share the same setting.
Is vampire shounen a thing?
Yes.
 

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Obviously you will write this since you were the one who recommended Gachiakuta. Gachiakuta is a rare exceptions when it comes to setting. Nevertheless, I am not making up the numbers. It is objective fact that there is a lot of shounen manga about assassins and onmyoji. And this is jsut the tip of the genericness iceberg. What happened to individuality? A lot of old shounens are in fact not much better, especially popular ones. However they had individuality, a setting you won't find anywhere else. I'm not saying you can't copy others either, but when we have 7!!! stories about assassins, you start thinking that something ain't right.

P.S. I'm not making that number up. I can tell you all the titles, and I bet it won't even be all of them. At least 7 stories share the same setting.

Yes.
:blob_paint: I will still write my generic vampire/monster vs human with special abilities shounen. And my BL sidestory.

And what about the good old hell vs heaven shounen? Is gothic in manga still a thing? I’m reading too much manwha.
 

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I count my own lucky stars that I don't have standards like yours Sailus.

Said this while dropping two more generic murderhobo chinese novels because authors fucked it in ways that me no likey.
 

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Obviously you will write this since you were the one who recommended Gachiakuta. Gachiakuta is a rare exceptions when it comes to setting. Nevertheless, I am not making up the numbers. It is objective fact that there is a lot of shounen manga about assassins and onmyoji. And this is jsut the tip of the genericness iceberg. What happened to individuality? A lot of old shounens are in fact not much better, especially popular ones. However they had individuality, a setting you won't find anywhere else. I'm not saying you can't copy others either, but when we have 7!!! stories about assassins, you start thinking that something ain't right.

P.S. I'm not making that number up. I can tell you all the titles, and I bet it won't even be all of them. At least 7 stories share the same setting.
Huh, I actually wasn't thinking about Gachiakuta at all when writing this. What I meant was your progressively changing attitude to shounens as you read more of them and have a better picture of what's there. I fully agree with the rest though. I haven't been reading many novels recently, but I can say without hesitation that a vast majority of modern manga is just continuous reiteration of the same worldbuilding and characters (don't get me started on demons, which is my favorite fantasy race).

By the way, lack of individuality is a much bigger issue than that. Outside stories, not to search far, I see it all the time at my college. People's choice of clothing and accessories, people's pastimes. To some degree all of it is inevitable with such a large number of stories or people, but I think the distribution got way spikier than it was even ten or twenty years ago, with way more of the low-quality filler and not much more, if not less, of the unique, good quality stuff.
 

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Huh, I actually wasn't thinking about Gachiakuta at all when writing this. What I meant was your progressively changing attitude to shounens as you read more of them and have a better picture of what's there. I fully agree with the rest though. I haven't been reading many novels recently, but I can say without hesitation that a vast majority of modern manga is just continuous reiteration of the same worldbuilding and characters (don't get me started on demons, which is my favorite fantasy race).
When I mentioned Gachiakuta, I meant that you probably like stuff that is less generic. As for the rest, the asnwer is the same one I gave to Omnifarious. I don't care they are generic, I care how, and why.
 
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