Memory loss

TheMonotonePuppet

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In writing, some of the most tragic characters to me are those who have lost memory, have difficulty remembering things, or those who have confronted people who have lost memory. Neville's parents (Harry Potter), Digital Circus (Kinger), Subaru (Re: Zero), etc.

As someone who, without medication, is so scatterbrained and depressed that it affects my memory retention, it is excruciating for me to go through life dumber than I once was. There truly is little more horrifying than having trouble remembering what you talked about with friends in conversations past and failing to recall the good and bad times with your family in any form of clarity. And I don't mean those minor or major mistakes everyone makes once in a while. There are times where I can not remember meaningful specifics of any prior conversation.

I'm sure many of the older denizens of SH here may understand at least a little, even if few have been accused by their parents (with no joking or facile intentions) of possibly having early dementia (I do not have dementia by the way, but it stings nonetheless to have the accusation lobbied). And they likely do not find it discomfortingly easy to compare themselves to their grandfather, who has Alzheimer's, when they are on their worst days.

However, I and the Stars are interested in your stories.
What are some important memories you have lost, barely remembering them? Do you mourn their loss or have you moved on?
For those of you who want to, I'd be interested in seeing a short paragraph or two of a scene with memory loss as the centerpiece. Preferably a more serious story but others may enjoy the levity.
 

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Bruh.
 

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In writing, some of the most tragic characters to me are those who have lost memory, have difficulty remembering things, or those who have confronted people who have lost memory. Neville's parents (Harry Potter), Digital Circus (Kinger), Subaru (Re: Zero), etc.

As someone who, without medication, is so scatterbrained and depressed that it affects my memory retention, it is excruciating for me to go through life dumber than I once was. There truly is little more horrifying than having trouble remembering what you talked about with friends in conversations past and failing to recall the good and bad times with your family in any form of clarity. And I don't mean those minor or major mistakes everyone makes once in a while. There are times where I can not remember meaningful specifics of any prior conversation.

I'm sure many of the older denizens of SH here may understand at least a little, even if few have been accused by their parents (with no joking or facile intentions) of possibly having early dementia (I do not have dementia by the way, but it stings nonetheless to have the accusation lobbied). And they likely do not find it discomfortingly easy to compare themselves to their grandfather, who has Alzheimer's, when they are on their worst days.

However, I and the Stars are interested in your stories.
What are some important memories you have lost, barely remembering them? Do you mourn their loss or have you moved on?
For those of you who want to, I'd be interested in seeing a short paragraph or two of a scene with memory loss as the centerpiece. Preferably a more serious story but others may enjoy the levity.
Miss Puppet and the stars, that memory loss ties to one particular topic that my religion makes, mocking all its followers who are doing the thing talked about in the topic.

"One of the side effects of watching inappropriate stuff such as p*rn is memory loss. If you often forget what you are doing at the moment or the stuff you've done in the past, it might be because your eyes have been dirtied by yourself. Look at the mirror, and re-introduce your life, re-think everything. God has been looking at you, even before the big bang exists."

- A random video in tiktok



So, this sparks a thought in my mind. Maybe... Just maybe... You, asking about memory loss is a particular sign sent to make me remember...


I... I'll just go. I should really delete all these hentai vids.
 

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I have retrograde amnesia but I don't have much to say about it. Not sure how I'm supposed to feel about it, but it depends on how disassociated I am. (I might be able to give a better answer other times but I'm currently depersonalized)
 

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Does porn really cause memory loss? Or does depression cause both porn and memory loss, @Nolff?
Well, think about it now.

What stuff makes you forget when you're doing it?

Reading smut? Maybe. Depression? You hardly remember any nice things. Watching porn? Some do, some don't.

Many scholars' quotes regarding this mostly revolve around lust. Being lustful often makes you forget the danger around you. That's... Actually pretty correct.

About the memory loss, it's something that happens to me often. There are lots of moments where I just forget stuff I need or things I was told to work on.

For example: I was about to write in a book when a friend of mine asked me to help him with lifting a chalkboard. Then, when I came back, I was a little infuriated because I couldn't find my pen. And, in reflex, I touch my pocket to find my pen, sitting idly there.

And watching porn also degenerates my feeling.


Often, I justify my bad deeds because... Lust, greed, and all that crap.

Then, a thing struck my mind.


I've been tolerating a lot of naughty things around me.


I let my friends smoke even though they weren't allowed to, I hid somewhere safe to play a game even though I was supposed to attend my classes, and I let...

I need a moment.
 

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That's why I have a sheet where I jot down important events in my life and my feelings at those moments so I can relive them later. Felt weird to me at first, but I find it valuable now. Not that I have memory problems, just to be clear.
 

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Most of our memory problems revolve around recognizing people, recalling who they are, and forgetting names. We can fail to recognize our parents, and we can forget about the existence of any old friend we used to spend a lot of time around.

But, we've also had blackouts during the most stressful years of our life, and lost a couple jobs because of it.

We also have working memory problems similar to ADHD, with misplaced keys and stuff like that, of course.

But, to have a whole conversation with someone who remembers you very well and is reminiscing about old times, while you not only don't remember their name, even after they remind you what it is, but they seem like a stranger you've maybe seen before at a distance, is such a weird and hollow feeling.

(This is what DID can be like sometimes)
 

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Well, think about it now.

What stuff makes you forget when you're doing it?

Reading smut? Maybe. Depression? You hardly remember any nice things. Watching porn? Some do, some don't.

Many scholars' quotes regarding this mostly revolve around lust. Being lustful often makes you forget the danger around you. That's... Actually pretty correct.

About the memory loss, it's something that happens to me often. There are lots of moments where I just forget stuff I need or things I was told to work on.

For example: I was about to write in a book when a friend of mine asked me to help him with lifting a chalkboard. Then, when I came back, I was a little infuriated because I couldn't find my pen. And, in reflex, I touch my pocket to find my pen, sitting idly there.

And watching porn also degenerates my feeling.


Often, I justify my bad deeds because... Lust, greed, and all that crap.

Then, a thing struck my mind.


I've been tolerating a lot of naughty things around me.


I let my friends smoke even though they weren't allowed to, I hid somewhere safe to play a game even though I was supposed to attend my classes, and I let...

I need a moment.
Take as many moments as you need. Keep in mind that accepting others’ vices can oxymoronically help them. If you pushed your friends too much, they might feel more isolated and only feel safe with fellow smokers, who will tolerate their bad habits. This can lead to them smoking more and smoking harder substances. Because humanity is a contrary beast, vocal opposition to lesser vices that people often already feel guilty about simply pushes them into circles where worse vices lay.

I debate the connection between memory loss and lust that you made, at least, wherein it applies to me. If anything, depression makes me less interested in anything and everything, including anything sexual. And depression is the cause of my memory loss. It’s one of the very few benefits of depression (at least for me), because it removes any romantic and lustful desires. I find such desires to be repulsive and they only increase my hatred of myself when I am the one having any such thoughts (it’s perfectly fine when others have romantic or sexual interests in others. It only disgusts me when I have them).
 

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Take as many moments as you need. Keep in mind that accepting others’ vices can oxymoronically help them. If you pushed your friends too much, they might feel more isolated and only feel safe with fellow smokers, who will tolerate their bad habits. This can lead to them smoking more and smoking harder substances. Because humanity is a contrary beast, vocal opposition to lesser vices that people often already feel guilty about simply pushes them into circles where worse vices lay.

I debate the connection between memory loss and lust that you made, at least, wherein it applies to me. If anything, depression makes me less interested in anything and everything, including anything sexual. And depression is the cause of my memory loss. It’s one of the very few benefits of depression (at least for me), because it removes any romantic and lustful desires. I find such desires to be repulsive and they only increase my hatred of myself when I am the one having any such thoughts (it’s perfectly fine when others have romantic or sexual interests in others. It only disgusts me when I have them).
Heh, yeah.



Maybe on your end, it's depression, you realized that. And maybe on my end, I realized lust was the problem.


Who knows if in both our places there's someone else who's experiencing both and thought that lust and depression are two factors worsening his/her memory loss?
 

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This is kind of a vent thing for me, really, so pardon my wordiness. I don't really write about memory loss (specifically, dementia), b/c it hits too close to home for me. I don't really want to include that as a motif in any of my stories, b/c I've had to deal with someone in my family who has it for ten years now.

The thing about memory loss and depression is that depression isn't exactly sadness, I think. No, it actually stems from internalized anger from having to keep your emotions bottled up (stiff upper lip and all that), b/c you're never allowed to vent you anger under normal circumstances, so really, depression is anger spread thin. How this relates to memory loss (dementia and specifically aphasia) is through the loss of you ability to control your emotions. That's usually the first thing that goes (your ability to control your emotions) with the onset of possible dementia if it's left unaddressed. Bottle up you emotions long enough, and everything that could get to you will get to you, and you find yourself more and more often snapping at people all the time for little annoyances that won't affect most people too much or for too long. Once that becomes a habit, you need some way to create an outlet to relieve the bottled-up anger/stress, and porn is one of them, and so is drinking, and so is doing drugs. Do that long enough, and you start losing the ability to sleep normally: that's when it really starts.

Case in point, my dad. He used to be a chef for over 40 years, and the hours he would put in are insane, which affected his sleep, his mood, his drinking, and eventually his marital life. I remember when I was a kid and into my teen and college years that my parents would fight once or twice a month, sometimes a few times a week, and this was during my time in college. It was horrible living through that, and so I picked up writing while I was in high school and college as a way to help me to vent through writing, mostly poetry and later fanfiction as a way to lose myself for a time. That's how I became I writer, but anyway, back to my dad.

I started noticing back near the end of 2015 that he would steal things, mostly small things like pens, tape, bags of nuts, etc., but it all came to a head when he got caught shoplifting lightbulbs on New Year's Eve, so our New Year's was pretty much shot at that point. I won't say how much we had to pay to setting things out of court, but it was a lot of money. He was later diagnosed with dementia (specifically, aphasia, which affect the front part of the brain that deals with controlling emotions), and that's when the fighting between my parents and became much worse and much much more frequent. Man, 2017 to 2019 were the toughest years for me, mentally and emotionally, because that's when I saw a sharp decline in my dad's mental faculties. Besides an increase fights between my parents up to late summer of 2017, I could still handle it, but August 2017 proved to be the tipping point.

I won't go into too much detail: just know that my father got lost for three days while riding his bicycle outside, and those three days were the longest days of my life. My mom and I and all our friends and neighbors went looking for him in the city, and we talked with the police, and they sent out a silver alert on TV, and we found him seven miles away from the house. He was actually go back towards our house when police found him, and we had to get him checked out by the doctor. That's another facet about dementia: losing your ability to recognize landmarks. Long story short, he couldn't drive anymore, and he had to go to an adult daycare, which helped us a ton up to the spring of 2019. Then our luck ran out, b/c he got angry so easy and couldn't control his emotions, so the daycare could take care of him anymore. Then I had to look after him all day, forcing me to switch my writing time from the daytime to the nighttime, which worked out, but even that wouldn't last. In June of 2019, I was with my parents going out to eat, and my mom was driving, and my dad was due to come back to the daycare the day afterward after spending a month away. That's when some asshole made an illegal left turn and hit our car, and my mom got injured. She had to go to the hospital, and since the car was towed, my dad and I had to take a cab to the house before I drove us to the hospital. Long story short, this complicated my dad's return to the daycare when I took him there, for them to take care of him, so I could visit my mom, but barely and hour passes by when the daycare calls and asks me to pick him up, because they couldn't handle my dad's anger issues, so I had to take him back and take him with me to the hospital to visit my mom. Long story short, my mom was injured to two places (her back and her foot), so doctors had to treat her back first before they treated her foot, but that just made things much worse. Things that should've been fixed immediately didn't get fixed and thus never healed correctly, so she walks with a limp now. Anyway, I know this is hella long-winded, but all that time, I was having to balance taking care of my mom (who tried her best to relieve as much of the burden on my shoulders as possible) and look after my dad, who had worsening dementia. All of this merged into 2020 and the COVID pandemic everything, and all the extended isolation just made things worse. Looking back on it now, I often wonder just how I was able to even handle all of that, b/c everything that could've happen to screw us over DID happen; in fact, the only that we were spared from during that time was the COVID virus, thank God!

Man, you won't believe the amount of emotional turmoil I had to go through during that time. I'm actually talking to a therapist to cope with all of this, but anyway, all this social isolation, all this stress, everything made my dad's dementia worse, and right now it's progressed to the point where my dad can't say our names anymore. That's another facet of dementia: losing your ability to communicate with words. He can still recognize our faces, and he can still say a few words, but I know it's incurable and progressive (as in, it only gets worse), so I can only prepare myself for how bad it's going to get.

Anyway, it's been 10 years since my dad showed his first symptoms, and seeing him decline like that is heart-breaking, but all you can really do is love and cherish what you have for the time you have them. Anyway, that's it.
 

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This is kind of a vent thing for me, really, so pardon my wordiness. I don't really write about memory loss (specifically, dementia), b/c it hits too close to home for me. I don't really want to include that as a motif in any of my stories, b/c I've had to deal with someone in my family who has it for ten years now.

The thing about memory loss and depression is that depression isn't exactly sadness, I think. No, it actually stems from internalized anger from having to keep your emotions bottled up (stiff upper lip and all that), b/c you're never allowed to vent you anger under normal circumstances, so really, depression is anger spread thin. How this relates to memory loss (dementia and specifically aphasia) is through the loss of you ability to control your emotions. That's usually the first thing that goes (your ability to control your emotions) with the onset of possible dementia if it's left unaddressed. Bottle up you emotions long enough, and everything that could get to you will get to you, and you find yourself more and more often snapping at people all the time for little annoyances that won't affect most people too much or for too long. Once that becomes a habit, you need some way to create an outlet to relieve the bottled-up anger/stress, and porn is one of them, and so is drinking, and so is doing drugs. Do that long enough, and you start losing the ability to sleep normally: that's when it really starts.

Case in point, my dad. He used to be a chef for over 40 years, and the hours he would put in are insane, which affected his sleep, his mood, his drinking, and eventually his marital life. I remember when I was a kid and into my teen and college years that my parents would fight once or twice a month, sometimes a few times a week, and this was during my time in college. It was horrible living through that, and so I picked up writing while I was in high school and college as a way to help me to vent through writing, mostly poetry and later fanfiction as a way to lose myself for a time. That's how I became I writer, but anyway, back to my dad.

I started noticing back near the end of 2015 that he would steal things, mostly small things like pens, tape, bags of nuts, etc., but it all came to a head when he got caught shoplifting lightbulbs on New Year's Eve, so our New Year's was pretty much shot at that point. I won't say how much we had to pay to setting things out of court, but it was a lot of money. He was later diagnosed with dementia (specifically, aphasia, which affect the front part of the brain that deals with controlling emotions), and that's when the fighting between my parents and became much worse and much much more frequent. Man, 2017 to 2019 were the toughest years for me, mentally and emotionally, because that's when I saw a sharp decline in my dad's mental faculties. Besides an increase fights between my parents up to late summer of 2017, I could still handle it, but August 2017 proved to be the tipping point.

I won't go into too much detail: just know that my father got lost for three days while riding his bicycle outside, and those three days were the longest days of my life. My mom and I and all our friends and neighbors went looking for him in the city, and we talked with the police, and they sent out a silver alert on TV, and we found him seven miles away from the house. He was actually go back towards our house when police found him, and we had to get him checked out by the doctor. That's another facet about dementia: losing your ability to recognize landmarks. Long story short, he couldn't drive anymore, and he had to go to an adult daycare, which helped us a ton up to the spring of 2019. Then our luck ran out, b/c he got angry so easy and couldn't control his emotions, so the daycare could take care of him anymore. Then I had to look after him all day, forcing me to switch my writing time from the daytime to the nighttime, which worked out, but even that wouldn't last. In June of 2019, I was with my parents going out to eat, and my mom was driving, and my dad was due to come back to the daycare the day afterward after spending a month away. That's when some asshole made an illegal left turn and hit our car, and my mom got injured. She had to go to the hospital, and since the car was towed, my dad and I had to take a cab to the house before I drove us to the hospital. Long story short, this complicated my dad's return to the daycare when I took him there, for them to take care of him, so I could visit my mom, but barely and hour passes by when the daycare calls and asks me to pick him up, because they couldn't handle my dad's anger issues, so I had to take him back and take him with me to the hospital to visit my mom. Long story short, my mom was injured to two places (her back and her foot), so doctors had to treat her back first before they treated her foot, but that just made things much worse. Things that should've been fixed immediately didn't get fixed and thus never healed correctly, so she walks with a limp now. Anyway, I know this is hella long-winded, but all that time, I was having to balance taking care of my mom (who tried her best to relieve as much of the burden on my shoulders as possible) and look after my dad, who had worsening dementia. All of this merged into 2020 and the COVID pandemic everything, and all the extended isolation just made things worse. Looking back on it now, I often wonder just how I was able to even handle all of that, b/c everything that could've happen to screw us over DID happen; in fact, the only that we were spared from during that time was the COVID virus, thank God!

Man, you won't believe the amount of emotional turmoil I had to go through during that time. I'm actually talking to a therapist to cope with all of this, but anyway, all this social isolation, all this stress, everything made my dad's dementia worse, and right now it's progressed to the point where my dad can't say our names anymore. That's another facet of dementia: losing your ability to communicate with words. He can still recognize our faces, and he can still say a few words, but I know it's incurable and progressive (as in, it only gets worse), so I can only prepare myself for how bad it's going to get.

Anyway, it's been 10 years since my dad showed his first symptoms, and seeing him decline like that is heart-breaking, but all you can really do is love and cherish what you have for the time you have them. Anyway, that's it.
No need for a pardon. I'm a wordy gal myself.

And while I always find memory loss to particularly poignant when others write it, writing about it myself just leads to stories inevitably devolving into raving rants.

I can completely see depression being, in essence, anger spread thin. Your description of depression touches on an aspect of it that I haven't thought about much, nor in the detail you have. You've given me food for thought. Thank you! And depression disguising underlying problems like dementia is a nightmare for me. Especially because my depression took a drastic and unexpected turn for the worse a year-ish ago , I have to wonder whether it is the depression I've struggled with for 4 years or whether there is a separate issue exacerbating things...
I can't believe that you and your family have to go through that. None of you deserve that. It would be a waking nightmare to me, so it's not fair that you are going through that.

I can't imagine the amount of emotional turmoil, but I can certainly recognize that the suffering you went through and are going through is traumatic, to say the least. Supporting both of your parents through their medical issues, especially through the pandemic, with little support for yourself, can be backbreaking. I don't have similar experiences in supporting others, as I'm only 19, but the financial stress of supporting myself (or rather, the financial stress of being unable to support myself and soon needing to leech off my grandparents if I don't get a job) and college loans makes my heart go out to you for the expenses - emotional, mental, and monetary - that you have to deal with.

Yeah. Just love and cherish them while you have them and (this is a judgement of myself, but if it is applicable, hope it helps) try not to let your pain hold you back from showing your love. Getting trapped in your head can leave the time you have silent rather than filled with loud cheer.
 
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