MC who starts human and then becomes nonhuman?

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A couple weeks ago I made a poll asking if people preferred human or nonhuman MCs, and most of them answered nonhuman. Now I have another question. Let's say the main character starts off human, and stays that way for the first book, maybe the second too, before getting the chance to become nonhuman. Would you be happy if they changed species at that point, or would you have gotten so used to them being human that changing it now would be actually be a detriment to the plot?
 

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Definitely needs setup. I’ve read a series that did this multiple times, actually. The MC had powers strongly oriented around souls and the manipulation thereof, so body hopping felt plausible.

It was also a story with major themes of growth, self discovery, and introspection, so the change fed heavily into that kind of thing because it did change a lot and entire arcs could be focused on exploring what it means to suddenly be a genocidal moth girl. I feel like it just kinda happened to happen, that would come off as a bit limp and lame.
 

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I think it will depend on the reason and the execution.
I'm basing this question on how Dungeon Crawler Carl did things. Nobody got the chance to change their race or species until book 3, and when they did, Carl chose one that technically isn't human, but still looks and acts human in every conceivable way. Other people chose to become things like fairies, two headed trolls, and giant shapeshifting blobs of goo, but they're all side characters and we didn't even know most of them before they changed. I'm pretty sure Dinniman did that because, after reading two books with Carl as a human, him being a human was just ingrained in everybody's heads. Making him something else would have required his readers to completely redefine who and what they visualized in their heads when they read about him. I'm doing something similar but different in my own book, and while I love nonhuman MCs, I'm worried that I'm going to run into the same issue. After having one of more books where the hero is human, it might actually hurt the story if I suddenly and permanently turn him into something else.
 

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A couple weeks ago I made a poll asking if people preferred human or nonhuman MCs, and most of them answered nonhuman. Now I have another question. Let's say the main character starts off human, and stays that way for the first book, maybe the second too, before getting the chance to become nonhuman. Would you be happy if they changed species at that point, or would you have gotten so used to them being human that changing it now would be actually be a detriment to the plot?
There is no universal rule for that, it depend on how good you are writing it. I read books like that before, the plot gave me foreshadows and tips that the origins of the MCs weren't common. Or after passing for a critical moment the MC needs to make a hard choice that could change his race. If its convincent the readers will accept it.

Let's suppose the human race is weak and the MC was beaten almost to death by an Orc and had his bones broken. The MC was let alive because the orc was more interested in the elfs than humans. But now he is almost dying starving after being left alone for days.

In an attempt to survive he discover a fairy in a carriage, something the elfs tried to protect. Almost out his mind the MC eat the fairy alive and suffer the aftereffects of it, changing his race.

I gave you the reasons, or the MC eat it or is left to die.
 
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Definitely needs setup. I’ve read a series that did this multiple times, actually. The MC had powers strongly oriented around souls and the manipulation thereof, so body hopping felt plausible.

It was also a story with major themes of growth, self discovery, and introspection, so the change fed heavily into that kind of thing because it did change a lot and entire arcs could be focused on exploring what it means to suddenly be a genocidal moth girl. I feel like it just kinda happened to happen, that would come off as a bit limp and lame.
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In practice this will obviously heavily depend on execution, but in principle I have nothing against that. The shift in perspective will always be there, but it's not like it's inherently a bad thing. Any significant plot event, especially those that affect the world of the story, may have very similar if not obvious effects.
 

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An earlier precedent would be the Well of Souls series I suppose, where body swapping, race change were frequent (and a sword was named Irving).

Depending on the kind of change, a gradual shift might be better, especially if it takes several books to complete, rather than a sudden one, unless you have the character stumbling on others who did change their race, and part of his personal quest is finding a way to follow their lead.

In general, springing it on the reader out of the blue is USUALLY (but not ALWAYS) a bad idea. Foreshadowing it, or having it happen over time, is usually a good thing.
 

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Like I said, this was more than a little inspired by how it works in Dungeon Crawler Carl, where you have one chance to choose any race or species you want once you reach the third floor and then you're stuck that way forever.

The way it works in XNPC is, NPCs are level 0 nonsentient meat robots. If they're somehow given any amount of XP, they go up to level 1, gain sentience, choose a class, and become Heroes. When they hit level 15, they have the option to change their race. Each of the races on Nyr have their own bonuses and penalties, with the exception of humans, who have neither since they're the "defaul" race. The idea is that levels 1-14 are for getting used to their classes, and then at level 15 they're supposed to choose a race whose bonuses compliment that class. Or they can stay human, which can be both a major advantage or disadvantage depending on their situation.

The MC isn't going to reach level 15 overnight. The earliest it'll happen is book 2, maybe even later than that depending on how things play out. That means that he's going to be human for at least one entire book, so for him to reach level 15 and then suddenly and permanently becomes something nonhuman might be jarring enough that people will drop the story. That's what I'm worried about, anyway.
Sounds like a much slower version of the Character Funnel in "Dungeon Crawl Classics RPG" (Players create 2-4 zero level PCs with one random item that MIGHT suggest a race or class, and run them through a kind of simple meatgrinder scenario; PCs who survive - typically one per player - then have enough experience to choose their class - which may also, like original D&D, include their race; i.e. an elf is a fighter/magic-user mix, a halfling a thief/fighter mix, etc.;. Not sure if there's a mechanic to change either later or not; only have the first book).
 

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Being human for a while and then transforming is pretty rare. The few times I have encountered such it was never unwelcome, but I am just fond of transformation stories in the first place.
 
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I prefer when they become inhuman... I bet you know the diference.
 
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Does it involve Terragen Gas?
I do not know what terragen gas is. But I am your average genocide enjoyer, so I hope it goes that way and if it is exactly that way. That is exactly what I mean. We usually create monsters for our fictions. Ironicaly we never look at the monster in the mirror, now that thing you see brushing its teeths every morning in front if you... that is really inhuman.
 

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I do not know what terragen gas is. But I am your average genocide enjoyer, so I hope it goes that way and if it is exactly that way. That is exactly what I mean. We usually create monsters for our fictions. Ironicaly we never look at the monster in the mirror, now that thing you see brushing its teeths every morning in front if you... that is really inhuman.
Terragen (or maybe they spell it Terrigen?) is the compound that wakens the dormant genetic sequence in the offshoot of homosapiens modified centuries ago by the Kree to contain Inhuman powers in the Marvel Universe. It is usually a gas, but on Marvel's Agents of SHIELD it was a food additive.
 

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if it were toggleable or temporary, that would probably be fine. If it were permanant, I'd have to wonder why the story didn't just begin at that point.
 
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