[Mafia] However I Say FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Creme]

I'm a chocolate chip lover myself,
Tho I'm quite happy with most cookies,

What would you say is your favourite ice-cream?

vanilla

okay okay in case you haven't realized it's LYLO so we gotta find the last mafia

Do you have any thoughts?

I'm multitasking and re-reading the thread right now

 

[Creme]

Reading Agentt's most recent scumgame here... (checking for how his scumrange on how he treats his scumbuddies)

I think he's not afraid to do distancing with his scumbuddies. I do think he has a tendency to do the classic distancing like "I sus Townie and Scumbuddy but I'm gonna vote Townie because Townie is more sus"... like that sort of distancing.

So I don't know if the spew entirely clears Aaqil, since Agentt mostly sus'd Aaqil in what feels like a joking manner but never actually voted Aaqil.

I do think Aaqil should be read outside of this factor though.

I think his vote on Agentt looks good... Aaqil hasn't answered what his mafia experience is, but if the scum team is Aaqil x Agentt, I don't think Aaqil has the confidence to bus Agentt and shoulder the rest of the game. Could be a bold play, and I've seen it done before and almost win the scum team the game, but I have a feeling that just isn't the situation here.

Also claim feels relatively truthful?

 

[Creme]

Between Lissi and Plus1... so hard to say... hm...

 

[Creme]

@Plus1 why Lissi? You never say

 

[Aaqil]

What is your mafia experience?

I went through one entire game in which practically everyone believed I was a neutral that didn't care how things ended up, just that I had to survive to the end, I lot that game at the end, :p

The other time was when I was converted by Plus1 after I had perfectly landed myself as Town,

 

[Aaqil]

I went through one entire game in which practically everyone believed I was a neutral that didn't care how things ended up, just that I had to survive to the end, I lot that game at the end, :p

The other time was when I was converted by Plus1 after I had perfectly landed myself as Town,

Lost*,

 

[Aaqil]

Do you have any thoughts?

I can't trust any of you, :(

 

[Aaqil]

I am Town Gladiator

D1: wasn't here but Spatula did nothing
D2: didn't use ability. I lacked the confidence to really scumcase someone strongly to the point of gladiate-ing them. Also... I wanted to encourage my ex-hydra to participate in the thread more organically as his first game since he said he wanted to play but just needed some help... but I guess he just ghosted us (rip).

I'm also very confused as to why it's LYLO and not MYLO...? I asked and it's not a host mistake.

I don't know what a Gladiator can do,

 

[Creme]

Reading Mello's posts... it's mostly fluff and then calling out Plus1 for being sus but never voting him...?

Looking at her town game, I think she definitely has that townie aggression. In School Ruckus, Mello immediately votes someone as her first post to get the discussion started on a slot.

While in this game, it's just a handful of fluff posts about Sven, and then some shade at Plus1 while never voting for him.

Lissi's always hard for me to evaluate since she knows how to display townie behavior as mafia. I think her analysis can come from either alignment. Thinking on how she's playing LYLO... hm... I do have an idea on reading her alignment but I need to hear about what her theory is... and I'll come back to this read once she outs that theory.

 

[Creme]

I don't know what a Gladiator can do,

I can basically make it so that only me and another person I pick are the only ones that can be voted for that day

 

[Aaqil]

Looking at her town game, I think she definitely has that townie aggression. In School Ruckus, Mello immediately votes someone as her first post to get the discussion started on a slot.

While in this game, it's just a handful of fluff posts about Sven, and then some shade at Plus1 while never voting for him.

I don't believe you'll find anything while looking at her past,
She had the time to be all murderous and stabby in those games, whereas over here she was stuck in metres of school work, which does a lot to ones thinking,

 

[Aaqil]

I can basically make it so that only me and another person I pick are the only ones that can be voted for that day

 

[Creme]

I don't believe you'll find anything while looking at her past,
She had the time to be all murderous and stabby in those games, whereas over here she was stuck in metres of school work, which does a lot to ones thinking,

Yeah... meta is usually a baseline but shouldn't make up the entirety of the read.

When I was just looking at her posts in a vacuum, it's really hard to make a call, since some town can fluffpost too (though some newer mafia have a greater propensity for it). Her not voting was kinda feeling NAI since a lot of town don't seem to like to vote here. Though I usually judge reluctance to vote as scummy, when everyone doesn't seem to like to vote, it's prob not really that big of a thing to read someone off on.

I read her last town game to kinda get a sense for what type of player she was, and I hadn't thought about it, but you're prob right that I should give her the benefit of the doubt on meta. I hadn't considered that she would be busy D1 and that would be impacting her play here

 

[Creme]

It's prob better to try to read Lissi... though she's harder to read for me unfortunately

 

[Zone_Q11]

Day 3 Vote Count

1. @Agentt - Executed D1, Mafia Cyclone
2. @Creme
3. @Jailbreak571 - Executed D2, Town Joker
4. @Aaqil
5. @Awasti - Killed N2, Town Cohost
6. @Plus1 - Lissi
7. @Nep - Killed N1, Town Shroom
8. @Lissi
9. @Hasty - Killed N1, Town Tooth Fairy

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Lissi - 1
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Majority is reached at 3 votes.
Here is a timer until EOD3.
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Game-Related Post Count

• Creme (13)
• Aaqil (14)
• Plus1 (1)
• Lissi (16)

 

[Creme]

Re-reading the thread, on D1 Plus1 exhibits caution multiple times.

When Hasty has a readlist early game (that has Agentt as mafia), Plus1 says he's jumping the gun. Feels almost like a defense of Agentt in a roundabout way?

I also think his D1 attitude of not really making a move and taking a backseat could come from mafia having an excuse to not really develop reads and scumhunt.

It feels really in contrast with his behavior on D2 and D3 where he just votes Lissi without much explanation? (Is it because her predecessor was sussing him? So an OMGUS of some sort?)

Maybe it's not Lissi and it's Plus1?

 

[Creme]

Lissi's always hard for me to evaluate since she knows how to display townie behavior as mafia. I think her analysis can come from either alignment. Thinking on how she's playing LYLO... hm... I do have an idea on reading her alignment but I need to hear about what her theory is... and I'll come back to this read once she outs that theory.

Well... idk if I'll have much time to come back to this, but I imagine that in LYLO, townies need to re-evaluate and look at all angles for each slot.

It feels rather quick that Lissi just was immediately latched on to Plus1 and decided I and Aaqil could be potentially clear... which felt wrong to me at first.

I think if the argument is strong, then she's probably town here.

Actually... now that I think about it as mafia I dunno if Lissi would be so performative as to be saying "I have a theory but I can't out it until Creme and Plus1 claim." Feels like it comes from a genuine townie place to solve (minor point)

 

[Creme]

@Aaqil I see you reacting to my posts!!! What do you think?

 

[Creme]

I feel like there is something important that I thought of but forgot...

 

[Aaqil]

@Aaqil I see you reacting to my posts!!! What do you think?

I am trusting your judgement on Lissi, while also staring at you intently as I try and uncover your secrets! [If you have any, :p]

Otherwise I'm stuck, :p
I want the other two to talk so I can see the way they react to all this, cause I can't do much with what I have,

Plus1 seems to have been reacting to Agentt's votes, but it feels more like they were reacting to Hasty than Agentt's situation,

And Lissi feels like they were confused by Plus1's attitude, and as such ignored us, at first at least,