Looking for a specific novel cover?

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Hi guys I wanted a new novel cover for my first novel as I thought it wasn't that eye-catching enough to grab the attention of new readers. I know that I can get covers and artworks from sketchmobs, but I wanted something specific like this:

So I wanted to ask, does anybody know what type of art style this is and does anybody know where I can get something similar to these.

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But you don't make money on your books, right? So what copyright problems could possible be there? I use a lot of pictures from both Deviantart and Pinterest, always have, and there's never been a reason for someone to remind me of that those pictures belong to someone. Don't worry about that. I've never worried, and I've never had problems.
 

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By the way, there's a rule that no one wants to talk about - anything posted on Internet is beyond any copyrights, simply because anyone can see and use it as they want, unless, of course, as I already said, you make money using somebody else's work. As long as you don't, you have nothing to worry about.
 

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By the way, there's a rule that no one wants to talk about - anything posted on Internet is beyond any copyrights, simply because anyone can see and use it as they want, unless, of course, as I already said, you make money using somebody else's work. As long as you don't, you have nothing to worry about.
does patreon count?
 

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In this case, you can try to buy an artwork you like from a kind artist who wouldn't put a high price.
 

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And sometimes artists nevermind if you use their artwork, you only have to mention that it belongs to them, without any payment. You just have to talk to them about it.
 

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By the way, there's a rule that no one wants to talk about - anything posted on Internet is beyond any copyrights, simply because anyone can see and use it as they want, unless, of course, as I already said, you make money using somebody else's work. As long as you don't, you have nothing to worry about.
what are you saying there? Just because I post art online, doesn't mean that others can repost it or use it as they want as long as they don't make money with it.

Sorry, but you have the copyright to your stuff as soon as you create it. And it's up to the creator whether they want to sue you for using it or not, even if you haven't made money with it. Most just don't know where their art/creation ended up. Not gonna change that they suffered a loss and feel sour about it.

Whether it's my art or writings, I would feel salty about someone using it without asking me or making the effort to ask me. Some artists plain don't want to see their art outside their control zone, and not using stolen art should be the norm.
 

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As an Internet Marketing Specialist, I can confirm that whatever gets published online is always protected by copyright laws that exist in the country of the owner and also, in case of the person breaking the copyrights, the country of the perpetrator. Copyright law exists and the lack of knowledge about it doesn't exempt anyone from being a subject to it.

If I were to post anything on the web under my name, username, logo, brand, whatever, I automatically own full copyrights to that content, be it written text, images, sounds, anything if it was made by me, without violating any other copyright laws and usage permissions if the final product is a merger of some existing pieces that are available under a licence. Of course, the copyrights last a certain amount of time, usually it being 70 years from the day of publication. But that introduces another aspect I just don't think is worth mentioning here.

At any given point in time, if I spot something I created being used somewhere, I can take many actions against it, starting at just kindly asking to take that down, and ending on filing a court case which then leads to most likely a letter of Cease and Desist towards the person, also asking to take it down or there would be financial and legal consequences.

It's being said that as long as it's not for commercial purposes it's fine, but that is not true. That saying exists because suing due to the ownership mostly happens when something is used for those purposes because fighting for the rights can earn the author reparations amounting to the calculated probable earnings he could have if it was under his control. People usually don't care if money is not involved. That's why people add the formula of "If an author wants it removed, message me." or similar ones to their profiles or wherever they can because if they don't earn money from it, the owner would most likely just use the messaging tactic if his feelings or pride was hurt.

Sorry for the chaotic rambling and retarded sentences, I was in the middle of writing a chapter when I noticed this post and kinda couldn't pass it without answering.
 

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Sometimes you can find artists on Twitter. The ones who are open for commissions will typically have a pinned tweet showing their prices:
Yes, Twitter is a great place to search, just have to deal with a bit of NSFW since a lot of artists do them and they share each other's works. But there are lots of people who even put commissions open phrase in their name. When you find one artist with a style that interests you, you usually can find many more through their connections. It took me 2 days to amass a list of over 30 artists that fit my wallet and style and then switch into messaging them.
 

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what are you saying there? Just because I post art online, doesn't mean that others can repost it or use it as they want as long as they don't make money with it.

Sorry, but you have the copyright to your stuff as soon as you create it. And it's up to the creator whether they want to sue you for using it or not, even if you haven't made money with it. Most just don't know where their art/creation ended up. Not gonna change that they suffered a loss and feel sour about it.

Whether it's my art or writings, I would feel salty about someone using it without asking me or making the effort to ask me. Some artists plain don't want to see their art outside their control zone, and not using stolen art should be the norm.

If I were to post anything on the web under my name, username, logo, brand, whatever, I automatically own full copyrights to that content, be it written text, images, sounds, anything if it was made by me, without violating any other copyright laws and usage permissions if the final product is a merger of some existing pieces that are available under a licence.

Well, maybe I'm too dumb to fully understand this (for which I honestly beg your pardon), but how can you prove that you are the author (the creator) of something (artwork, novel, music piece etc.) without a specific license confirming your copyright?
Lets' imagine that I'm not a writer, but I find a nice novel here, on SH, and see that, if edited a little, it has a huge potential. I decide to play dirty, copy that novel to my computer, edit it a bit (or not), and go to a copyright licensing agency, pay for the copyright, then go to a publishing company and publish the book, make profit on it and live happily ever after. Who can say that dirty things like this don't happen? Then the real author of the novel sees it published under another name, they come to me and ask something like "What the heck?", but, oh wait, they can't prove that they are the real creator of the novel 'cause I own the license, and any court will actually believe me, 'cause I have the license, and that guy is no one to the novel I own. Doesn't it seem like a pretty real situation? Who owns the copyright then? The same thing can happen to any artwork posted to be watched freely on Internet, can't it? No, I'm not claiming that it's good or anything, you should ask for an author's permission at least because it's good manners. But it's the same as when you use someone's artwork or photos as a wallpaper for your computer. Do you literally go and ask every artist if you can use their work to put it on your screen? Or will you go and ask Imagine Dragons, for example, for a permission to use their song in your school project? Isn't it the same situation when you take someone's artwork to make it your banner or your book cover? If you don't claim the right for the artwork, and you don't make money on it (which you otherwise must share with the work's owner), then why aren't you allowed to take and use it without the author's permission?
 

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Well, maybe I'm too dumb to fully understand this (for which I honestly beg your pardon), but how can you prove that you are the author (the creator) of something (artwork, novel, music piece etc.) without a specific license confirming your copyright?
Lets' imagine that I'm not a writer, but I find a nice novel here, on SH, and see that, if edited a little, it has a huge potential. I decide to play dirty, copy that novel to my computer, edit it a bit (or not), and go to a copyright licensing agency, pay for the copyright, then go to a publishing company and publish the book, make profit on it and live happily ever after. Who can say that dirty things like this don't happen? Then the real author of the novel sees it published under another name, they come to me and ask something like "What the heck?", but, oh wait, they can't prove that they are the real creator of the novel 'cause I own the license, and any court will actually believe me, 'cause I have the license, and that guy is no one to the novel I own. Doesn't it seem like a pretty real situation? Who owns the copyright then? The same thing can happen to any artwork posted to be watched freely on Internet, can't it? No, I'm not claiming that it's good or anything, you should ask for an author's permission at least because it's good manners. But it's the same as when you use someone's artwork or photos as a wallpaper for your computer. Do you literally go and ask every artist if you can use their work to put it on your screen? Or will you go and ask Imagine Dragons, for example, for a permission to use their song in your school project? Isn't it the same situation when you take someone's artwork to make it your banner or your book cover? If you don't claim the right for the artwork, and you don't make money on it (which you otherwise must share with the work's owner), then why aren't you allowed to take and use it without the author's permission?

Nope. If he still has either: 1) his files he wrote, 2) his papers he wrote on, 3) the story on some site, 4) I could still go on, but you get the point, he can naturally form a copyright claim which is going to be investigated and if confirmed, the whole license is void because it was earned on stolen goods. The company who issued that licence would get so much shit if the case went to a proper lawyer that it could end them, so they would void the licence as fast as they can, cutting ties with the person.

The investigation starts, the specialists go through the material and judge the date of its making, compares to the reported product and issues a verdict. The case is even simpler and faster if an original author posted a story somewhere. They just take the publication date and compare contents. If they are highly comparable then there's zero discussion, the thief is getting yeeted, sued and so on. Why do you think big companies like for eg. WebNovel have dedicated DMCA and Copyright Departments with highly visible contact info on the site? Exactly for reasons like these. So they can react as quickly as possible without getting too much of bad attention.

And that also includes editing parts of the product, like using something in an image. There were plenty of cases where a small tiny detail in some grand graphic resulted in it being sued, taken down, issued apologies, paid reparations, and other stuff.

In schools lower and at the level of college it's not really being frowned upon, but the moment you set foot at a University, literally every person will scream at you to always use free databases like Freepik, Pixabay, and others when doing projects and stuff so that you don't get into any trouble. It's kinda like when turning into an adult you have to be much warier than when being a kid since it can't be just waved off with "a child wouldn't know".

Copyright is unchangeable. The licence in definition is a lease of the ownership. Someone can use something you made under specific rules and circumstances. Licence never transfers creational copyrights. The licence can state that the product can be considered authored by a person under if made enough changes or stuff. He then has the copyrights to the newly created product in the combination of things that were done by that person.

This is just lots and lots of laws and rules and I don't think there's a need for me to go into details. Those were just some basics.

Summing up. Yes, everything is copyrighted. Yes, it's wrong and "illegal" to use anything without permission (always get written if you can). Yes, people everywhere use everything and always will be. It's not like my avatar is made by me. Due to the low harmfulness of me using it, no one will ever even think about trying to take it down, unless I start publicly claiming it as my own. You are free to use anything you want. You should only always be aware that there are possible consequences. Using something for a cover, even if it's a non-commercial one, can still easily be considered medium or high harmfulness.

God, I haven't written so much shit about this shit since I was actually explaining the case where I sued to my friend.

Ah, and don't forget that there are people who literally live from this. Going all around the internet, finding multiple instances of something under different names, contacting the one which appeared earlier and invite to take action with their help since they deal with the law or own a lawyer company.
 
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Nope. If he still has either: 1) his files he wrote, 2) his papers he wrote on, 3) the story on some site, 4) I could still go on, but you get the point, he can naturally form a copyright claim which is going to be investigated and if confirmed, the whole license is void because it was earned on stolen goods. The company who issued that licence would get so much shit if the case went to a proper lawyer that it could end them, so they would void the licence as fast as they can, cutting ties with the person.

The investigation starts, the specialists go through the material and judge the date of its making, compares to the reported product and issues a verdict. The case is even simpler and faster if an original author posted a story somewhere. They just take the publication date and compare contents. If they are highly comparable then there's zero discussion, the thief is getting yeeted, sued and so on. Why do you think big companies like for eg. WebNovel have dedicated DMCA and Copyright Departments with highly visible contact info on the site? Exactly for reasons like these. So they can react as quickly as possible without getting too much of bad attention.

And that also includes editing parts of the product, like using something in an image. There were plenty of cases where a small tiny detail in some grand graphic resulted in it being sued, taken down, issued apologies, paid reparations, and other stuff.

In schools lower and at the level of college it's not really being frowned upon, but the moment you set foot at a University, literally every person will scream at you to always use free databases like Freepik, Pixabay, and others when doing projects and stuff so that you don't get into any trouble. It's kinda like when turning into an adult you have to be much warier than when being a kid since it can't be just waved off with "a child wouldn't know".

Copyright is unchangeable. The licence in definition is a lease of the ownership. Someone can use something you made under specific rules and circumstances. Licence never transfers creational copyrights. The licence can state that the product can be considered authored by a person under if made enough changes or stuff. He then has the copyrights to the newly created product in the combination of things that were done by that person.

This is just lots and lots of laws and rules and I don't think there's a need for me to go into details. Those were just some basics.

Summing up. Yes, everything is copyrighted. Yes, it's wrong and "illegal" to use anything without permission (always get written if you can). Yes, people everywhere use everything and always will be. It's not like my avatar is made by me. Due to the low harmfulness of me using it, no one will ever even think about trying to take it down, unless I start publicly claiming it as my own. You are free to use anything you want. You should only always be aware that there are possible consequences. Using something for a cover, even if it's a non-commercial one, can still easily be considered medium or high harmfulness.

God, I haven't written so much shit about this shit since I was actually explaining the case where I sued to my friend.
I've never said that I would win in the court, but it also may occure that I fight any statement of someone owning the property that I actually own, and what if I tell the court I've been hacked and robbed and I'm just a little poor boy in need of justice?.. (not mentioning that I can also make some papers look like my own drafts of the novel, or make some Word versions of them, or ask my friends to lie that I've been dreaming of writing that novel since I was a kid, and so on and so on).
I just imagined a situation in which a random guy from Deviantart starts yelling at me after seeing his artwork on my banner because I've violated his rights and now am obliged to pay him for the harm I've done.
Sounds like a hypocrite. And looks like this, too, probably :blob_neutral:
I don't know... every time I post something on Internet, I prepare myself for that anyone - literally anyone - can outsmart me and prove my intellectual property to be their own in any single court, just because law is not always on the innocent's side.
Copyright is a strange thing. Once you lose a grip of your rightness, you can end up without it at all. Maybe I'm wrong when I think that anything that isn't supported by a document means literally nothing in the world of jurisprudence. But if someone started publishing my novel and making money on it, I wouldn't even be surprised or angry, simply because it's what I've never taken precautions against, so why would I be upset? It's my fault, and of course I would do my best to prove the opposite, but both me and a thief would know that it's true.
On the other hand, a person claiming their rights for a work could also be a thief, even if their brand is famous world-wide. They say, "It's my work, my copyright, and my brand", and everyone loves them and claps their hands in their approval, but somewhere in the world's deepest hole, in the darkness of a wet, poor hut sits a student whose only joy was drawing or writing or making music, and he watches all his stuff being owned by a random guy who was too clever for the student to fight for the copyright against, and weeps quietly into his cat.
Anyway, I know precisely that if someone asked me not to use their artwork, I would agree politely and use another artwork, but only because I'm too bloody well-mannered.
But if I wasn't, I'd think if I'm really obliged to do it.
@Saileri, thank you for getting things a bit straighter to me) Please don't think that I'm bad and approve of stealing other people's intellectual property, I'm just a freaking realist who doesn't believe in law and all those things, but it's not me who is harsh, it's life :blob_melt:
This said, I once again note that nothing bad will happen if you use someone's artwork or song or anything without claiming your rights for it.
 
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Hi guys I wanted a new novel cover for my first novel as I thought it wasn't that eye-catching enough to grab the attention of new readers. I know that I can get covers and artworks from sketchmobs, but I wanted something specific like this:

So I wanted to ask, does anybody know what type of art style this is and does anybody know where I can get something similar to these.

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There isn't really any name for this art style though this is just the typical style that is easy to achieve in digital painting.

The most noticeable design choice is that the creator just use a very high key lighting for the subjects.

Practically, almost any capable digital artist can do this kind of thing and might even find such work boring.
 

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Well, maybe I'm too dumb to fully understand this (for which I honestly beg your pardon), but how can you prove that you are the author (the creator) of something (artwork, novel, music piece etc.) without a specific license confirming your copyright?
Artists have their own watermark, signature, or other means to prove that it's their intellectual property. For artworks is fairly easy to prove, as they have the original psd/clip/sai/etc. file with layers to show that it's theirs.
Isn't it the same situation when you take someone's artwork to make it your banner or your book cover? If you don't claim the right for the artwork, and you don't make money on it (which you otherwise must share with the work's owner), then why aren't you allowed to take and use it without the author's permission?
You are actually an ass when you do that. Especially when people explicitly say not to use, repost, edit without permission. People still do. People also break the law. Who will face the consequences is up to coincidence/luck.
Question is: Do you want to be an ass to a person who spent hours to create something for your own personal gain?
Copyright is a strange thing. Once you loose a grip of your rightness, you can end up without it at all. Maybe I'm wrong when I think that anything that isn't supported by a document means literally nothing in the world of jurisprudence. But if someone started publishing my novel and making money on it, I wouldn't even be surprised or angry, simply because it's what I've never taken precautions against, so why would I be upset? It's my fault, and of course I would do my best to prove the opposite, but both me and a thief would know that it's true.
On the other hand, a person claiming their rights for a work could also be a thief, even if their brand is famous world-wide. They say, "It's my work, my copyright, and my brand", and everyone loves them and claps their hands in their approval, but somewhere in the world's deepest hole, in the darkness of a wet, poor hut sits a student whose only joy was drawing or writing or making music, and he watches all his stuff being owned by a random guy who was too clever for the student to fight for the copyright against, and weeps quietly into his cat.
Both situations are shitty. You can only take precautions to prevent such situations, or spend money for a good lawyer. And yes, the law is not always on the right side. But every adult should know that. That's why we read novels where they faceslap those vile people, don't we?
 

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Question is: Do you want to be an ass to a person who spent hours to create something for your own personal gain?
I've asked myself this question only once, and I answered it in a way that is considered unapropriate in the society, so, fearing for my reputation and my mental and physical health, I'll say that everything in this world is too arguable to make conclusions. We may be harmful to someone without even noticing it, so... yeah...
 
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