LoliGen: Age gap, loli, and even shota stories

[Vivian-M.K.]

He's now got no place to vent his emotions, regardless of good or bad.

So what? He can vent his emotions and desires just fine where no one can see it without hurting anyone, so this theory of yours that he for some reason needs to be accepted or he's going to fuck a kid doesn't add up. Him writing this for himself and him writing this publicly won't change anything in regards to that.

I don't think he even comprehends this. This is all assumptions but I this he's pretty wrapped up in manga/anime that his reality had shifted somewhat. I doubt he had spent any time with a child before. He's talking about a relationship which is something I can't even fathom. The character he's going to portray as a kid won't be of that age mostly because he has no idea how they actually are.

This is what we mean. The more of this kind of content is out there, then the more people will fall into this guys same method of thinking if they are similar to the OP.

And yes, we came in with pitchforks and torches. We will admit that this touches on some seriously sensitive topics for us, and seeing this absolutely disgusted us. He needs to understand that this is not something that you should be proud of like he comes off as. It is a sickness and should be managed. Not be used to fuel delusional and misguided ideas in some attempt to think that the topic not being talked about is somehow the problem, when the real problem is that these thoughts are bad. He even blames other people for how they respond towards him. It demonstrates that he's completely oblivious to the weight that this topic holds for many people.

This entire thing has left us out of energy and tired. We're done here and going to step back. We know we can't stop this, but we had to at least try, because I don't believe for one moment that he will handle it with respect.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

So what? He can vent his emotions and desires just fine where no one can see it without hurting anyone, so this theory of yours that he for some reason needs to be accepted or he's going to fuck a kid doesn't add up. Him writing this for himself and him writing this publicly won't change anything in regards to that.


This is what we mean. The more of this kind of content is out there, then the more people will fall into this guys same method of thinking if they are similar to the OP.

And yes, we came in with pitchforks and torches. We will admit that this touches on some seriously sensitive topics for us, and seeing this absolutely disgusted us. He needs to understand that this is not something that you should be proud of like he comes off as. It is a sickness and should be managed. Not be used to fuel delusional and misguided ideas in some attempt to think that the topic not being talked about is somehow the problem, when the real problem is that these thoughts are bad. He even blames other people for how they respond towards him. It demonstrates that he's completely oblivious to the weight that this topic holds for many people.

This entire thing has left us out of energy and tired. We're done here and going to step back. We know we can't stop this, but we had to at least try, because I don't believe for one moment that he will handle it with respect.

How about you handle the age of consent around the world?

 

[LoliGent]

I had a lot to think about after the response I got last time. I talked to two friends on Discord about their opinions on my story and then slept on it.

First of all, this thread, I'm no longer going to utilize it for updates and blog like post. It attracted a hostile reaction and it got out of hand that I'd rather it not happen again. But if it wasn't for this thread, I would not have gotten this necessary feedback that is important for me to consider. My story is not being published just yet because I want those that are not loli/shota to seriously read it, but it looks like even attempts at making it as safe as possible is a challenge in itself. I don't want to write a typical loli/shota stories either because then I'll just go back to what I was indulging into previously, and that was seriously damaging me.

I decided to abandon this thread and use my upcoming blog instead, simply posting on the profile post when I have a new update. That way, I can get feedback without bringing down the entire forum.

With that out of way, let me address the issue that was given to me, and that's the fear that the story is trying to normalize such a relationship. I will make it clear right now that I do not, in any way, shape, or form encourage this. I am very aware that a person that young can't be in such a relationship and I don't want to give the wrong impression or message with my work. What I simply want to do is let people know that people like me exists. That we walk among you silently, and many of us are suffering from these feelings. If there is a fear that the stories may be giving the wrong impression, that I have to rectify it to give the message that I am intending to spread. That's why all worries and concerns are being put into consideration. I may be writing fiction, it's definitely not real life for certain, but fiction is powerful and can have an affect on people. I have to consider all angles and make sure that both I, the author, and the reader come to a compromise.

So last night I talked to a few friends and told them about this. They were indeed concerned that the story was leaning towards normalization. I ask for their advice and they gave me some good insights.

To summarize, the current story I'm writing is about a young adult in college who believes he's the reincarnation of a nobleman who had a lover that was a peasant. Said lover was reincarnated, but she's a middle school girl. The story will explore how these two deal with their affections. The ML is falling for this girl but he is anguished over it, but he is lonely and has no one to talk to. The FL isn't getting much love from her parents, and wants to be in a relationship with the ML as fast as possible to compensate for that lack of affection. Both scenarios are clearly not healthy at all and I want to let that be known in the work. Both are trying to appease something in ways that are not helpful: the ML pushing away people thinking that he needs to be alone so he wont offend anyone, and the FL being insistent in starting the relationship because she feels powerless in getting her parents attention.

So with that in mind, I was told that some changes should be made to the story, such as what kind of actions and thoughts the ML should have to show his inner struggle and how the FL's actions are putting her in a vulnerable position and could get place he in a dangerous situation. There was also a discussion about the possible ending. They clearly said that they should not get together at this time in terms of being romantic, but I personally wish for them to be together as friends in some capacity. The ending is still up for consideration as the story is barely in the first act, but one consensus is that the ending should not end in a romantic relationship, at least not yet. They suggested a time skip, which while I do like the idea of them later getting together, I want to end the story in the present.

After having this talk, and getting all this feedback, I now realize going at this alone while trying to convey a more serious story is a bad idea. If I was writing just a typical loli/shota story, then I would be just fine, but because I'm writing this for a more general audience, I'm going to need more help. So I'm going to confide in my Discord friends more, and I'm even going to consider seeking professional help on this. I've been meaning to see a psychologist for some time, and I think now is the time to do so. I just need a job first as I'm currently unemployed, and they ain't cheap (I live in the United States, no free meal here). So looks like this story is going to be pushed back a bit more because I really need to get it right.

Now I will be addressing the comments made upon me. I'm glad to get all the support and criticism I can get, and I clearly see that there is so much worry and concern about this. There's a lot of opinions about a person such as myself, and a lot of scorn thrown around. I don't know really what to say to this other than, I'm just trying my best. Yet, it looks like my best may not be enough. The old me would've relented and backed off, deleted the post, and try to hide myself. That's what I used to do because I was just so afraid of this kind of backlash and opinions on me.

I still want to put the consideration of others, their worries and fears, but this time I got to have equal say. If you don't like this topic, I understand completely, which is why it's only been regulated to this post and the rare response to other threads about sexuality (I believe I've only responded once from my POV about my sexuality outside this thread). I'll even consider just abandoning this thread, as mentioned above, and move things to my upcoming blog. But I can't just drop everything and give up. Doing so has lead me to a very destructive way of life and I don't want to indulge in that anymore. I want to explore this topic much more deeply than just scientific study because they sound so cold and distant. That's why I said there's a lack of humanity behind this subject, it's always so upfront about the condition in a scientific way that the person with said condition is more like a test subject. I want stories that I can relate to, and they are so few and far between that I decided that if I can't find them, then I'll make attempt at writing them.

This is all a precedent. There's nothing like it, so I'm going to end up saying something that will raise eyebrows for sure. But little by little, I hope that we can build a foundation for this topic in the realm of fiction that can be taken seriously.

So, I'm going to work on that blog soon, this thread is most likely going to end up buried, and I hope we can all get along in the future, because I really love this site. To think that I found it after that Discord exodus, only to have a thread about lolicon posted at the same time. I felt like that was a sign. At that time, in my anguish, I threw caution to the wind and came out, and thus here I am. Despite the minor setbacks, I feel more at home here than anywhere else. I feel much better that I don't have to hide myself, that I can be free to speak about this topic, even if its constrained. I may not be a genius when it comes to this topic, I too am ignorant and desire to be educated on it, but I can say with confidence that being honest and open about yourself does alleviate so much stress and anxiety. I truly feel, fo the first time, like I can live a fulfilling life.

 

[LostLibrarian]

If they actually cared about the consequences and what's right, then the number of these kinds of cases would be dramatically lower, but that's not the reality of it.

The reality of it is also that the majority of sexual acts against children isn't done by people with pedophilia or similar tendencies. It is more often than not an act of power and not an act of sexuality. It's also a fact that the majority of people with these tendencies don't act out on these for their entire life.

Modern studies found the number of people with sexual attraction to underdeveloped bodies at about 1%. With 3 to 6% of people with "rare moments of these thoughts, while being normally attracted by adults". The numbers are even higher when you include underaged teenagers with "partly developed bodies", which is still a gray area or even illegal depending on the country.

So yeah, if "these kind of people" would all be like that, the majority of our children would have been victims by now...

This is what we mean. The more of this kind of content is out there, then the more people will fall into this guys same method of thinking if they are similar to the OP.

No, they won't. It is scientifically proven that fiction - both reading and visual stimuli - activate different areas in the brain compaired to the ones used for the actual acts. Reading a book about murder doesn't turn someone into a murderer. Reading a book about rape doesn't turn someone into a rapist. Playing violent video games doesn't create mass shootings.

The causal effect is the other way around. People already have certain urges and consume media to fulfill them. In fact, it was already proven that using media can help with the treatment of such urges. There is a reason why scientific research is done in that direction: it might help without the need for extensive medications or mental suffering.

Even "getting an idea" doesn't lead to "ignoring the consequences" without existing precondition. In fact, it was also shown, that "ideas" and "triggers" often aren't even based on the same act or emotion. E.g. food can act as trigger for violent behaviour. I still don't think we should ban eggs to keep our families save...



So yeah, I totally understand that you find people who actually do the act appalling. I do as well. And so should - imho - everyone. There is a reason it is illegal. It is also clear that you feel strongly about this and that is fine, too. It is also your right to feel disgusted by people who have these urges and don't act on them. But attacking people who haven't acted on them, based on a completely wrong narrative of "alternative facts" and setting fiction equal to reality, just so you can point your finger while still feeling great about yourself, isn't the way to go.

You already have the moral high ground in the view of the masses. Why make it worse by spreading misinformed half-truths that undermine your core point?

 

[BenJepheneT]

So what? He can vent his emotions and desires just fine where no one can see it without hurting anyone, so this theory of yours that he for some reason needs to be accepted or he's going to fuck a kid doesn't add up. Him writing this for himself and him writing this publicly won't change anything in regards to that.

He is venting his emotions and desires just fine. He ISN'T hurting anyone. He doesn't even HAVE a core audience as of now. He's literally just one guy making fictional content. That's all.

You're putting words in my mouth here. I've never said he needed to be accepted. I said to just let him do his shit and leave him the fuck alone. The worst crime he's committing is writing about doing a crime in a positive light. That's all there is.

And you saying him writing this for himself and him writing this publicly won't change anything is just god damn disingenous and bullshit. It's obvious this guy's here with an agenda. You think this guy makes posters and flyers for a hobby?

You're just dismissing everything the OP stated simply because he's writing about something taboo. Your words contradict themselves. You say people who act on these urges aren't animals, but you denied OP the privilege of considering humanity a few posts prior. You claim that they need to vent where no one's looking, yet you explicitly go out of your way to come here and bitch about it.

I think @LostLibrarian put it best.

just so you can point your finger while still feeling great about yourself

If you want to keep this back and forth, by all means, be my guest. Give the dreaded thread with the taboo subject you so despise the interactions and engagement it needs. SHOOT IT UP THE FORUM LIST! You're not on a moral crusade with a moral backbone. You're on a delusional power trip looking to make yourself feel valiant. No shit, pedophillia is bad, but writing about it isn't.

But go ahead. You writing against pedophillia isn't bad either. Protect those fictional children, you! Keep going. Make my day. It's been so long since we got a Don Quixote in the forums. There's not even a lack of monsters. Actual pedophiles are roaming free in dark webs and chat rooms, but you don't give two shits about them since they take actual effort to report. You just keep jousting the windmill not because it's virtuous, but because it's convenient to you.

 

[Vivian-M.K.]

But go ahead. You writing against pedophillia isn't bad either. Protect those fictional children, you! Keep going. Make my day. It's been so long since we got a Don Quixote in the forums. There's not even a lack of monsters. Actual pedophiles are roaming free in dark webs and chat rooms, but you don't give two shits about them since they take actual effort to report. You just keep jousting the windmill not because it's virtuous, but because it's convenient to you.

Shut the fuck up you ignorant asshole. We're one of the few people that actively seeks out and reports that shit when we find it as much as we can, and that's a lot more that can be said about your sorry ass that probably hasn't done shit for anyone, so don't even fucking go there.

You say people who act on these urges aren't animals

Bitching about me putting words in your mouth while you do just that. How about you go back and actually properly read what we wrote. I very clearly said having the urge doesn't make a person an animal. acting on it makes them animals.

I've never said he needed to be accepted.

You push the man with opposition to the point where his vents lose a platform, he's going to present it in another place, and he might not be so lucky to find another spot on the internet to do so. Be my guest., if you want to take the risk. I don't know about you, but I'm not the type to sleep well knowing I might've contributed another missing child poster on the side of a milk carton.

You wanna try that again?

And lastly don't fucking bitch at me about pushing it up when we already long since said we'd step back. You are the one that's pushing it further up, or did you not realize that, either?

 

[BenJepheneT]

Shut the fuck up you ignorant asshole. We're one of the few people that actively seeks out and reports that shit when we find it as much as we can, and that's a lot more that can be said about your sorry ass that probably hasn't done shit for anyone, so don't even fucking go there.

Sure man, that's god damn working isn't it? Let me tell you why my sorry ass hasn't done shit. My "sorry ass" hasn't done shit because OP hasn't done shit either. He isn't flaunting CP or explicit material. Man's merely posting artwork and words that are taboo in nature. Your "doing everything we can" is nothing more than excess that helps absolutely nothing and no one. You're doing the absolute bare minimum that contributes to null. The only "help" you're doing is boosting your ego with every insignificant ban that just leads to the guy posting on another site. Like I said, you don't care about these guys at all. Out of sight, out of mind. You're not helping the issue, you're just filing them in a box and shipping them away to be someone else's problem.

And I'm the ignorant asshole that's contributing to nothing? I've got phone calls looking for a black pot and oh boy, do they have their answers.

If it makes you feel better, I slept like a baby knowing I did nothing to a moot problem that doesn't exist. I slept like the moon's singing a personalized lullaby because I don't have a boogeyman living rent-free in my head.

But sure, call me out for inaction. I'm sure all the victims of the world would thank you of your consequence-free intervention. If people are judged by their attempts and not the results, the American Military would've won peace prizes in the truckloads by now.

You wanna try that again?

And lastly don't fucking bitch at me about pushing it up when we already long since said we'd step back. You are the one that's pushing it further up, or did you not realize that, either?

Yeah I'm gonna try that again. When in God's green Earth did I say he needs to be accepted? All I said is to let him do his shit. Let him write whatever he likes. Whoever decided to read his shit is completely up to them. I'm not the one putting up a poster going "READ HIS HOLY GOSPEL". You're the one acting as if he's putting out pedo hypno. At worst, OP's preaching to an abyss that has no bearing on anyone whatsoever because anyone with an inch of rationality would know OP's never gonna be accepted in any capacity, and if they do, as I've said, they would've been pedos themselves or have subterranean IQ.

"I've long since said we'd step back" and how's that working out for you? Convenient for you to say when you've done this on two seperate threads with various individuals and continued with LostLibrarian for quite a while before you replied to me. When the going got tough only then you pulled that shit out.

Keep going. Make my day.

 

[Vivian-M.K.]

Sure man, that's god damn working isn't it? Let me tell you why my sorry ass hasn't done shit. My "sorry ass" hasn't done shit because OP hasn't done shit either. He isn't flaunting CP or explicit material. Man's merely posting artwork and words that are taboo in nature. Your "doing everything we can" is nothing more than excess that helps absolutely nothing and no one. You're doing the absolute bare minimum that contributes to null. The only "help" you're doing is boosting your ego with every insignificant ban that just leads to the guy posting on another site. Like I said, you don't care about these guys at all. Out of sight, out of mind. You're not helping the issue, you're just filing them in a box and shipping them away to be someone else's problem.

Did you seriously think that we were talking about OP? That's fucking hilarious. I was talking about finding and reporting child molesters in general. Nothing to do about the OP. You know, when you brought up that specific subject. Fantastic reading comprehension there. That's starting to become a trend for you it seems.

When in God's green Earth did I say he needs to be accepted? All I said is to let him do his shit.

...Are you serious right now? You're talking all big, and you actually say this. Is this just a prank? I'm starting to think it is because no way someone can be like that.

When the going got tough only then you pulled that shit out.

Keep living in that delusion if it makes you feel better.

Keep going. Make my day.

You keep saying that. Is your life really so void of anything of note that this is the highlight of your days?

 

[BenJepheneT]

Did you seriously think that we were talking about OP? That's fucking hilarious. I was talking about finding and reporting child molesters in general. Nothing to do about the OP. You know, when you brought up that specific subject. Fantastic reading comprehension there. That's starting to become a trend for you it seems.

I've brought up OP because I'm only going by your standard that OP's a "child molester". And I've said I haven't done shit because OP is, at best, nothing more than a delusional freak living his worst fantasies online. There is no concrete proof or evidence that OP's done anything to any child whatsoever. You, however, made far-reaching claims that he's gonna harm more children and enable pedophiles simply by writing about an unrealistic relationship in a piece of fiction.

And hell no, are you "finding and reporting child molesters in general". Judging by the track record you're displaying here, your "finding and reporting" is barely "report thought crime for possible motive". You've proven yourself more than capable of deeming someone criminal just by writing about taboo subjects in a positive light online. You keep talking about "finding and reporting child molesters" when you're being nothing more than a mild nuisance. Like I said, your "reports" amount to a pebble thrown at a concrete wall.

You keep saying that. Is your life really so void of anything of note that this is the highlight of your days?

It takes no Herculean effort to go into a forum and reply to a schizophrenic patient. You're just one more thing to look forward to during my breaks from work. Earning paychecks is boring, but you're making it exciting for me. And to think I could be watching a YouTube video when I'm witnessing the circus live on my screen.

...Are you serious right now? You're talking all big, and you actually say this. Is this just a prank? I'm starting to think it is because no way someone can be like that.

The feeling's mutual. I don't know how you didn't catch that right from the start. My point's always been that OP's doing no harm, has no potential of harming actual children, and that he's got the right to say what he wants, no matter right or wrong. Your point's about how OP's trajectory is gonna lead to molested children. I've been arguing against that point under the pretense that OP won't do shit and that he's just been posting words on the internet.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

 

[Deleted member 1244]

Edit: Ah~! Oops wrong thread

 

[Vivian-M.K.]

I've brought up OP because I'm only going by your standard that OP's a "child molester". And I've said I haven't done shit because OP is, at best, nothing more than a delusional freak living his worst fantasies online. There is no concrete proof or evidence that OP's done anything to any child whatsoever. You, however, made far-reaching claims that he's gonna harm more children and enable pedophiles simply by writing about an unrealistic relationship in a piece of fiction.

And hell no, are you "finding and reporting child molesters in general". Judging by the track record you're displaying here, your "finding and reporting" is barely "report thought crime for possible motive". You've proven yourself more than capable of deeming someone criminal just by writing about taboo subjects in a positive light online. You keep talking about "finding and reporting child molesters" when you're being nothing more than a mild nuisance. Like I said, your "reports" amount to a pebble thrown at a concrete wall.


It takes no Herculean effort to go into a forum and reply to a schizophrenic patient. You're just one more thing to look forward to during my breaks from work. Earning paychecks is boring, but you're making it exciting for me. And to think I could be watching a YouTube video when I'm witnessing the circus live on my screen.


The feeling's mutual. I don't know how you didn't catch that right from the start. My point's always been that OP's doing no harm, has no potential of harming actual children, and that he's got the right to say what he wants, no matter right or wrong. Your point's about how OP's trajectory is gonna lead to molested children. I've been arguing against that point under the pretense that OP won't do shit and that he's just been posting words on the internet.

On phone so not gonna bother splitting it up.

You had to do some mental gymnastics that'd put any Olympics gold medal winner to shame. I didn't report him because he didn't break the law. If he did, then I would. That doesn't mean I'm not going to call him fucked though. Good job demonstrating your lack luster reading ability yet again.

I see. Yeah, I bet being the center of the circus would make them quite entertaining.

...Did you just completely miss what we were going for with that part? We were pointing out how you contradicted yourself in the very same sentence.

Please keep going. Your replies are getting more and more wack. I wanna see how far they can go.

 

[BenJepheneT]

On phone so not gonna bother splitting it up.

You had to do some mental gymnastics that'd put any Olympics gold medal winner to shame. I didn't report him because he didn't break the law. If he did, then I would. That doesn't mean I'm not going to call him fucked though. Good job demonstrating your lack luster reading ability yet again.

I see. Yeah, I bet being the center of the circus would make them quite entertaining.

...Did you just completely miss what we were going for with that part? We were pointing out how you contradicted yourself in the very same sentence.

Please keep going. Your replies are getting more and more wack. I wanna see how far they can go.

Nah, I'm bored already. I bet we both are towards each other. All I'm gonna say is that we agree pedophillia are bad, you have a different way of going about it, you do you, I do me, and if the stars align, we never meet each other. If we unfortunately do, I pray we never know of each other's ScribbleHub accounts.

 

[Vivian-M.K.]

Nah, I'm bored already. I bet we both are towards each other. All I'm gonna say is that we agree pedophillia are bad, you have a different way of going about it, you do you, I do me, and if the stars align, we never meet each other. If we unfortunately do, I pray we never know of each other's ScribbleHub accounts.

Agreed. We wanted to be done with this back when we said we were already out of energy and tired of all this.

 

[BenJepheneT]

Agreed. We wanted to be done with this back when we said we were already out of energy and tired of all this.

Great. I propose a truce, a glass of chocy milk, and the agreement to pretend this conversation and any other ones we had prior to this never happened. I hate keeping track of grudges anyway.

 

[Tony]

Locked on OP's request.