Isekai definition change.

[Fried_Chicken]

Currently the definition is vague, when the crux of what is expected form an isekai is for the story to be told from the lense of someone form our earth or one functionally identical.

Currently, shows such as Stargate and Star Trek would qualify as isekai when its not what anyone expects from an isekai.

Furthermore, lately the fanfiction isekai genre has been inundated with amnesia-isekai stories that don't offer what is expected from an isekai story. They take a cheap way and start with a blank slate that is nearly identical to the farm boy trope.

I suggest using the reincarnation tag for when a person is given another life without their sense of self contained within those lost memories.

Otherworldly knowledge can be useful for when some memories are retained but most lost.

Portal fantasy can used for when the Mc has the ability to world hop back and forth to earth like say in the Gate series.

This leaves the isekai tag solely for when the Mc is placed in another world with their sense of self intact.without the ability to return home af all, or return home easily.

Tldr: The isekai tag is almost useless Currently and rendered moot when paired with the amnesia trope. Let's make the category much more concise.
For those who disagree please comment why.

 

[LuoirM]

What the fuck did bro do to deserve -18 downvotes

 

[Corty]

My friends and I can't keep passing the phone around, it's getting tiring. And Corty isn't giving us sentences for shot and longer. Come'on back Corty!

Ew. Are you circle-jerking? I do think you have problems, sometimes leave the basement and.... nah, don't. It is best for the public if you stay away from them.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Then why did you have to be such a bad sport about all of this?

We really haven't, just trying to have a real conversation yet nobody here can understand the idea that an entire story told from the perspective of someone with amnesia whom isn't the exact person whom lived on the previous world doesn't qualify as an isekai protag. Thus the story doesn't deserve the tag. At best they get their memory back at the end if the story so for a small portion its actually an isekai. At worst they are a different entity whom never existed on two worlds.

What the fuck did bro do to deserve -18 downvotes

Said that isekai with amnesia isn't isekai.

Ew. Are you circle-jerking? I do think you have problems, sometimes leave the basement and.... nah, don't. It is best for the public if you stay away from them.

Ew. Are you circle-jerking? I do think you have problems, sometimes leave the basement and.... nah, don't. It is best for the public if you stay away from them.

4 shots damn. And no, I'm married to an lbfm.

 

[Corty]

Said that isekai with amnesia isn't isekai.

You don't even remember what you opened with and what the title of your topic is.

Currently the definition is vague, when the crux of what is expected form an isekai is for the story to be told from the lense of someone form our earth or one functionally identical.

The amnesia part was a throw-in for you and not your main point.

Furthermore, lately the fanfiction isekai genre has been inundated with amnesia-isekai stories that don't offer what is expected from an isekai story. They take a cheap way and start with a blank slate that is nearly identical to the farm boy trope.

You can't even keep track of your own argument. That's why I keep pestering you because you portray yourself as a wise man but you are just a wiseass.

 

[Rhaps]

On SH, Isekai is a genre, just meeting the criteria of the MC get transfer to another world is enough for it to get that.

And this is SH, not RR, technical details don't matter unless they are very wrong. Most of the case, the readers don't make a fuss over these things.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

You don't even remember what you opened with and what the title of your topic is.

The amnesia part was a throw-in for you and not your main point.

You can't even keep track of your own argument. That's why I keep pestering you because you portray yourself as a wise man but you are just a wiseass.

No, it's the main point of most of these replies. The only other comments was someone debating on the meaning of "world" vs it intent. And one agreeing with portal fantasy.

On SH, Isekai is a genre, just meeting the criteria of the MC get transfer to another world is enough for it to get that.

And this is SH, not RR, technical details don't matter unless they are very wrong. Most of the case, the readers don't make a fuss over these things.

My fuss is that for the Mc to be transfered he must be the same person on both sides. Amnesia upon arrival creates a new being. That new being isn't the person from the first world, hence nobody was isekaied.

 

[Corty]

No, it's the main point of most of these replies. The only other comments was someone debating on the meaning of "world" vs it intent. And one agreeing with portal fantasy.

This is going to be my last serious message to you:

Look at your opening post. Reread it, you wrote it.

If the crux of your issue stems really only from amnesia, you are championing the change of a genre and its definition to something that may be applicable to 1% to 5% of isekai novels. You are delusional if you believe this is right. Don't you see it? You want to change its meaning for yourself to suit your minority gripe against the majority's agreement on what isekai is.

It is selfish, unreasonable, and, simply put, laughable.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

This is going to be my last serious message to you:

Look at your opening post. Reread it, you wrote it.

If the crux of your issue stems really only from amnesia, you are championing the change of a genre and its definition to something that may be applicable to 1% to 5% of isekai novels. You are delusional if you believe this is right. Don't you see it? You want to change its meaning for yourself to suit your minority gripe against the majority's agreement on what isekai is.

It is selfish, unreasonable, and,

This is going to be my last serious message to you:

Look at your opening post. Reread it, you wrote it.

If the crux of your issue stems really only from amnesia, you are championing the change of a genre and its definition to something that may be applicable to 1% to 5% of isekai novels. You are delusional if you believe this is right. Don't you see it? You want to change its meaning for yourself to suit your minority gripe against the majority's agreement on what isekai is.

It is selfish, unreasonable, and, simply put, laughable.

Idc if it's .000001% fuck all isekai with amnesia stories.

This is going to be my last serious message to you:

Look at your opening post. Reread it, you wrote it.

If the crux of your issue stems really only from amnesia, you are championing the change of a genre and its definition to something that may be applicable to 1% to 5% of isekai novels. You are delusional if you believe this is right. Don't you see it? You want to change its meaning for yourself to suit your minority gripe against the majority's agreement on what isekai is.

It is selfish, unreasonable, and, simply put, laughable.

Did you really not read the tldr? What about the third paragraph? Or the 3 proposed changes that would do what I desire, namely making isekai with amnesia limited to the reincarnation tag?

 

[Rhaps]

Idc if it's .000001% fuck all isekai with amnesia stories.

Did you really not read the tldr? What about the third paragraph? Or the 3 proposed changes that would do what I desire, namely making isekai with amnesia limited to the reincarnation tag?

Then I pray for your downfall, may God guide this fruitless journey of yours toward the abyss.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Then I pray for your downfall, may God guide this fruitless journey of yours toward the abyss.

I'm not the only one who has a pet peeve over this tagging. There are actually quite a few posts around bitching about it.

 

[BearlyAlive]

7 pages, uhhh... You expect me to read all this s*it?

I'm all for a stricter definition of Isekai in contrast to Multiple Worlds, Layered Realities, Reincarnation, Portal Fantasy, Time Travel (but with Fantasy elements in one or the other line), or any other tags, really. But after reading through the first and the currently last posts, it seems TC just has a hate boner for the Isekai & Amnesia combo.

Thread title holds true, but the actual post is just "me dun lik, me dun want"

 

[Fried_Chicken]

7 pages, uhhh... You expect me to read all this s*it?

I'm all for a stricter definition of Isekai in contrast to Multiple Worlds, Layered Realities, Reincarnation, Portal Fantasy, Time Travel (but with Fantasy elements in one or the other line), or any other tags, really. But after reading through the first and the currently last posts, it seems TC just has a hate boner for the Isekai & Amnesia combo.

Thread title holds true, but the actual post is just "me dun lik, me dun want"

Oh yes giant hate boner. The best part of isekai is the relatability the reader has, and any memory loss kills that.

 

[Tsuru]

There is a difference between Isekai and Stargate/Star Trek.

Isekai is going to another world by any means, be it reincarnation, summoning, etc...

But what you seem to don't understand here, is the word "World", here it mean another reality, not another planet like in Stargate that are just far away from earth.

If the MC has amnesia but comes from another reality, it's still an Isekai, even if that trope ruins the the genre Isekai, it's not up to you to change what a word means.
What you expect from a story is different from what I expect. I expect from an Isekai a journey through another reality/world with new rules, new races, etc...
I don't see where the fact that the MC has amnesia will change the fact that I will read about a journey through another reality/world.

Dang.
How could i miss this CHAD post of Sleds.
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Anyway OP

Isekai

is basically, reincarnation, transmigration, teleportation, summoning, blablalbla
but to summarize, its when a OUTSIDER goes to ANOTHER PLANE OF EXISTENCE, and said-plane is a fantasy one, and likely CANT go back (unless ending/post-story)

In short isekai is less a definite world. But more of a slang. Just like W or L doesnt make sense but we use it.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Dang.
How could i miss this CHAD post of Sleds.
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Anyway OP

Isekai

is basically, reincarnation, transmigration, teleportation, summoning, blablalbla
but to summarize, its when a OUTSIDER goes to ANOTHER PLANE OF EXISTENCE, and said-plane is a fantasy one, and likely CANT go back (unless ending/post-story)

In short isekai is less a definite world. But more of a slang. Just like W or L doesnt make sense but we use it.

Stargate has gone to other universes so he's wrong, hell star trek does as well, does that mean it fits? Of course not.

Fantasy world is not a requirement of isekai at all.

And you can't be an outsider if memories of being an outsider are gone. When the memories are removed that kills the person, and a new entity takes over.

 

[Tsuru]

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MC die, reincarnate fantasy.
summoned by princess
goddess transfer him
fantasy aborigene remember his past life (kinda dubious this one)
class is summoned
wrong experiment that send MC to a fantasy world
soul enter the dead body of a fantasy inhabitant

= very important is (1) from SOMEWHERE -often-earth- (2) to A FANTASY MAGICAL world (unique) (3) Likely cant go back


die and become a soul that go to isekai, but also different worlds after first one = world hopping
mc stay on earth, as multiple selves are somehow on different fantasy world summoning at same time
portals appear on earth
fantasy invade earth
fantasy aborigen becoming hero in his world
summoned to technologic world
reincarnation in WARHAMMER world
reincarnated into EVANGELION world
transmigrate into sci-fi world
soul goes to a xianxia world

= (2) isnt respected
or (1) isnt respected



SPECIAL (3) CASE
The "returner" case. Not the KR term but when a MC got a power to go from "fantasy" back to earth.
If ending or poststory, its fine, its isekai.
But if its ch2 MC discover he can portal back and forth ? It depends on "how much" the plot is about on which part of the balance
=>Its very likely fantasy/urban tag if MC most of the time in urban.
BUT If its a "merchant" plot and/or the plot focus on visiting this "fantasy" world. Then yes its "isekai"

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(Joke tone)
But seriousness aside, readers/we/people use isekai slang for any JP series with a fantasy world, and fantasy when MC is basically isnt a earthling soul but one from the fantasy world (knight save princess fairytale is an example).

Stargate has gone to other universes so he's wrong, hell star trek does as well, does that mean it fits? Of course not.

Fantasy world is not a requirement of isekai at all.

And you can't be an outsider if memories of being an outsider are gone. When the memories are removed that kills the person, and a new entity takes over.

Stargate isnt fantasy.
Its sci-fi.

And yes, even if "memories gone" if WE readers see HE FROM JP = HE OUTSIDER

sigh

I will use the 5years old explanation
ISEKAI = JP SERIES / BOOM BOOM FIREBALL IM FROM JAPAN. SOUL JP-MADE. WOOHOO NEW WORLD OF FANTASY.
FANTASY = ME A LIVING BEING FROM EXCALIBUR WORLD, ME KILLING VILLAIN. me king now !
SCI-FI = We got SPACESHIP and visit WORLDS
World hopping : me visit DIFFERENT WORLDS (fantasy-scifi-horror-animeworlds)
Urban-fantasy : wow PORTALS, ENEMIES COME TO CITIES we dead ! must use magic to fight back !


DONE.

ps : the outsider = the soul, not memories. WE as viewers SEE he is an outsider. DONT FOCUS ON THE DETAILS.

JUST.
TURN.
OFF.
YOUR BRAIN.
LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DO.

End.

(btw no i am not angry, but a little annoyed, like a stubborn student saying something that both logical but also dumb)

 

[Fried_Chicken]

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MC die, reincarnate fantasy.
summoned by princess
goddess transfer him
fantasy aborigene remember his past life (kinda dubious this one)
class is summoned
wrong experiment that send MC to a fantasy world
soul enter the dead body of a fantasy inhabitant

= very important is (1) from SOMEWHERE -often-earth- (2) to A FANTASY MAGICAL world (unique) (3) Likely cant go back


die and become a soul that go to isekai, but also different worlds after first one = world hopping
mc stay on earth, as multiple selves are somehow on different fantasy world summoning at same time
portals appear on earth
fantasy invade earth
fantasy aborigen becoming hero in his world
summoned to technologic world
reincarnation in WARHAMMER world
reincarnated into EVANGELION world
transmigrate into sci-fi world
soul goes to a xianxia world

= (2) isnt respected
or (1) isnt respected



SPECIAL (3) CASE
The "returner" case. Not the KR term but when a MC got a power to go from "fantasy" back to earth.
If ending or poststory, its fine, its isekai.
But if its ch2 MC discover he can portal back and forth ? It depends on "how much" the plot is about on which part of the balance
=>Its very likely fantasy/urban tag if MC most of the time in urban.
BUT If its a "merchant" plot and/or the plot focus on visiting this "fantasy" world. Then yes its "isekai"

-------

(Joke tone)
But seriousness aside, readers/we/people use isekai slang for any JP series with a fantasy world, and fantasy when MC is basically isnt a earthling soul but one from the fantasy world (knight save princess fairytale is an example).

I don't even care if you do, it's not a requirement of isekai ti be fantasy at all though, what IS a requirement is at least 1 person going to ANOTHER world.

It can't be ANOTHER if they don't remember their life in the first. And also it gets into the theological debate of are they the same person still?

 

[Tsuru]

I don't even care if you do, it's not a requirement of isekai ti be fantasy at all though, what IS a requirement is at least 1 person going to ANOTHER world.

It can't be ANOTHER if they don't remember their life in the first. And also it gets into the theological debate of are they the same person still?

FINE

TERMINOGICALLY YOU ARE CORRECT
BUT INTERNET-LLY / SLANG USE YOU ARE WRONG

Easier ?

W means NOTHING
but
W also means victory to people.
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ANd like i said.
The point is : WE READERS, SEE he is an outsider. NOT 100% PURE MADE-IN-FANTASY being. HIS SOUL is the most important. HIS ORIGIN.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

FINE

TERMINOGICALLY YOU ARE CORRECT
BUT INTERNET-LLY / SLANG USE YOU ARE WRONG

Easier ?

W means NOTHING
but
W also means victory to people.

I can show you an unending amount of non fantasy isekai.

Fantasy and isekai can with together fine or apart.

Isekaied with amnesia, particularly the permanent kind doesn't.

 

[Tsuru]

I can show you an unending amount of non fantasy isekai.

Fantasy and isekai can with together fine or apart.

Isekaied with amnesia, particularly the permanent kind doesn't.

other world

Isekai (Japanese: 異世界 transl. 'different world', 'another world', or 'other world') is a subgenre of portal fantasy.
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Can you please listen to what i kept repeating ?

I will repeat again in another version.
Otaku, dweebs, readers, fans of jp, USE "ISEKAI" LIKE A SLANG
Like goddamnit, middle finger to someone, like get gud, like W L, like kekw, like lol brb lmao.
The point
is : its JUST SOMETHING for a specific use for people bc ITS FUN.

JUST TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN LIKE EVERYONE USING IT.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

other world

Isekai (Japanese: 異世界 transl. 'different world', 'another world', or 'other world') is a subgenre of portal fantasy.
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Can you please listen to what i kept repeating ?

I will repeat again in another version.
Otaku, dweebs, readers, fans of jp, USE "ISEKAI" LIKE A SLANG
Like goddamnit, middle finger to someone, like get gud, like W L, like kekw, like lol brb lmao.
The point
is : its JUST SOMETHING for a specific use for people bc ITS FUN.

JUST TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN LIKE EVERYONE USING IT.

Then slang shouldn't be a genre. Genre are well defined and have limits. At best you are arguing for the removal of the isekai genre.