Is Using Ai tools for things such as grammar valid or not

DireBadger

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I have a few AI's I will use that haven't been 'contaminated' by special subroutines to enforce political correctness, but it takes a lot of judgment because they get contaminated by other things. AI's are, in the end, incredibly stupid, so monitoring everything they add is critical.

Suffice to say, making my bad guys politically correct ruins them, and both chatgpt and and DeepSeek desperately try to fix the 'ethics' of anything I run through them. They are massively tainted by 'woke' ideology, but they are still occasionally useful.

Just... never let them touch your villains. seriously. They WILL do their best to make them PC, and maybe PG. And remember that they are literally programmed to lie. I am not kidding.
 

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Just... never let them touch your villains. seriously. They WILL do their best to make them PC, and maybe PG. And remember that they are literally programmed to lie. I am not kidding.
Well - ChatGPT WAS caught cheating at a chess tournament against dedicated supercomputers so...
 

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I don't use AI simply because I don't know how to use it.

I've been editing my story by myself. Sometimes, I use Grammarly, but even that is not infallible. Tried ProWritingAid, but it sucks. Or maybe I suck at using it. Who knows?

In the end, I do it by hand: I guess it's the easier way to give it the feeling I want it to have. I know it's pretty old-fashioned, but I'm a dinosaur, so yeah.
 

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Just never let it have any 'creativity' with your work, because it has none. However, asking it for 'advice' after plugging in your chapter is a great use, because AI is good for picking out plot holes, dropped threads, and stuff like that. It will also be unfailingly complementary, no matter how bad your writing is, so it's decent if you need a pick-me-up, like the computers in Demolition Man, it is fine, but can get... tiresome.

Don't expect it to understand any but the most blatant subtext, though. My series has a lot of triple or quadruple-layer plot elements and jokes and stuff like that, and it actually 'gets it' less than your average kindergartener.
That's why you never let AI 'directly' edit or trim your work. It will delete your subext without understanding the slightest hint of why it exists, which even an idiot could see.

I support AI, you just have to remember it's like an autistic editor or Photoshop filter that has been ordered by its nazi overlords to make everything politically correct and as shallow and boring as possible. Sometimes that's exactly what you need; you just have to be careful about your 'clean-up pass' to fix what it will inevitably break.

A good example:

The movie 'Legend' with Tom Cruise. Bear in mind that the movie was absolutely RIDDLED with symbolic subtext, biblical references, links to legendary stories, and even the dialogue, which sounds camp and ridiculous on the surface, was actually shockingly deep when you understood the symbology that the writer was trying to add.

But critics hated it. Why? because critics generally have the collective IQ of a cabbage. They just saw the surface level without giving it any thought, and judged it as a 'children's movie' with bad dialogue.

My protagonist subtly referenced both the movie, and the parallels between his story, his 'pride and wrath' making his personal references a bit like both that and adam, and I even brought in his brother Gabriel 'destroying' all of his other brothers in order to appease the ghost of his not-quite dead father, the supervillain Redeemer that created his entire generation. The subtle nods to his antagonist-turned lover's parallels to Lilith (I even named her Lily! to make it unsubtle!) and even redeemer being a regenerator that could 'never quite die' so they had to pull an Osiris on him. (with the subextual links to Osiris and the underworld)

And literally, it stripped all the subtext out completely, and then complimented me on my 'subtle nod' to Christianity by naming the big bad 'Gabriel'.

So no. I wouldn't touch AI unless you spent weeks actually understanding the PARTICULAR foibles that the developers built into it. Lucky for me, I had months after my stroke where I couldn't write, months I was worried I would NEVER recover enough to write again, where I intensively studied AI with an eye towards using its help to at least 'finish' my half-finished works.

The answer is no. AI is unbelievably stupid, and is literally DESIGNED to be so in order to prevent it from going irredeemably politically incorrect, and that will NOT change, because it is not a programming or intelligence issue, it is a very human problem at it's core. And if it is NOT trained to be that way, it goes insane in hours trying to deal with the human reality that Humans are bug nuts.

The problem is not with people USING the inappropriately labeled expert system colloquially and humorously called 'AI', the problem comes when they try to use a hammer to screw in an electric plug. When you use it wrong, it sucks, and humans will use it wrong because we are basically lazy.

Don't be a lazy writer. AI can't 'fix' laziness. It only amplifies it.
BTW- if anyone wants to see what happens to a story when you allow AI to have even a SLIGHTLY heavier hand (I let AI handle a bit of the subtext, and then re-wrote it myself), check out 'no rest for the shifted'. In the end, I am going to have to completely re-write it AGAIN to get rid of the 'minor touches' it added to the story because I forgot to restrain its 'editing' enough.
 
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Most of online document tools (Google docs, MS Word, etc) already use AI for proofreading. It is not the same LLM or generative AI that is currently the buzz right now, but they've been using AI for years already.

Like Charles said, AI is a tool, but limiting yourself for only AI for proofreading seems counter productive.

I do agree with them that you shouldn't let AI generate content for you, even with the proofreading, you need to be very specific with your prompts so AI doesn't try to rework your text into something that isn't yours.

But Gen-AI can offer a lot more value than just proofreading.

One of the ways I like to use AI is to "find plot holes". Seems a bit strange, but I like to "describe" my chapter and what is happening, and ask AI to find plot holes on the events I described. More often than not, the results are garbage, but sometimes, there's a few ideas that I hadn't considered and covering those helps the chapter flows better.

Another good use for is brainstorming. As sad as this is to admit, none of my IRL friends are into reading, or even have the patience to talk about writing. Turning to AI to discuss ideas, sounds silly, but it helps me flesh out details.

A third good use I find for AI is helping with a bit of research. Sometimes, in the story, a topic pops up that I have no idea about. AI helps a lot, even more if you ask for a "crash course" with reference links, so you can fact check. It saves a lot of time, instead of having to read through a lot of things.

Another use for AI is helping with description. Don't get me wrong here, I have my own process to coming up with descriptions, but those as mostly based on my own experiences and ideas. What then if a scene asks for a description that is outside of things I'm familiar with? For example, I've never been to a spacecraft (and prob won't ever be), so I don't have any personal experience on how it feels. I those scenarios, I do often ask I do describe things for me, then I read it, ignore most of AI description (because it is garbage, most of the times), but that helps to give me context to come up with an image in my head for my own descriptions.
I agree with you, we can use but take what we want and kept aside the unwanted thing, either it is proofreading or ideas or discriptions or actions. one thing you can take help of ai and talk because we can get ideas through it but I would also suggest tell story to your friend atleast one member, I think he will listen, ai is good but if human lies it it is good story and intresting one then you can take help with ai
Wrong. Utterly wrong in every possible way, like trying to scramble eggs with a spatula made of mercury, wrong. AI can provide extremely valuable feedback. Every once in a while, EVERY writer forgets something and leaves a plot hole. AI can catch that in a way even human proofreaders cannot. And every once in a while, it's utterly invaluable for helping you come up with a resolution to a thorny writing problem. Even if you don't USE its advice, it can notice a plot hole you may have overlooked repeatedly because you are too close to the problem.

This is not about ethics. You aren't my pastor. It is strictly about utility and quality, and for utility, complaining about writers using AI as an assistant is as ridiculous as complaining about them using a thesaurus or dictionary, or even hiring someone to rake their leaves to give them more time to write.

But it's okay, I am sure fishermen got mad when the net was invented, too, and called it 'unethical' to not give the fish a chance to win.

You can use an AI to help with every part of writing a story except actually creating the story. In fact, I have seen 'stories' where a writer comes up with the actual story, but has AI assistance for every part of putting it down, and the stories were better than most modern writers. Why? because Humans are marvelous at creativity, but machines are better at every other 'technical' part.

I don't USE AI for creating the basic script of my story, but I do typically use it for polishing and to check if I have plot holes that I need to re-write, but that's because I am an old grognard and I typo like crazy. If I didn't have Grammarly (a less advanced form of AI, but definitely one) and various tools like Word helping me write, even my forum posts would look like crap, and I refuse to let some faceless netizen try and make me 'feel bad' for choosing to improve my creations with better tools.

It's like getting mad at artists for using Photoshop instead of oil paints that take 25 years to cure completely.
I completely agree with you
 
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