Is this gross?

[Empress_Omnii]

it implies that women inherently predisposed to enjoying this violence due to it being seen in a child.

The curtains are blue because they're blue.

Exactly. This is a harmful stereotype. Hence why I claimed it reads as misogynistic.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Exactly. This is a harmful stereotype. Hence why I claimed it reads as misogynistic.

If he were trying to imply that this is true for all women, you would have a very good point here, but he is referring to one specific woman, who in some ways had to grow up too fast, in other ways probably never will grow up, and who has lived a fairly savage life for almost four years (including being mentally invaded by a group mind in a way that may be worse than sexual abuse).

 

[ThisAdamGuy]

The curtains are blue because they're blue.

Exactly. This is a harmful stereotype. Hence why I claimed it reads as misogynistic.

Those darn sexist blue curtains, always taking women's rights away.

 

[SirContro]

Exactly. This is a harmful stereotype. Hence why I claimed it reads as misogynistic.

So you interpret a couple of lines a certain way and that offends you, the guy clarifies it's not implying what you think it's implying and you choose to keep being offended. Pathetic.

 

[ThisAdamGuy]

If he were trying to imply that this is true for all women, you would have a very good point here, but he is referring to one specific woman, who in some ways had to grow up too fast, in other ways probably never will grow up, and who has lived a fairly savage life for almost four years (including being mentally invaded by a group mind in a way that may be worse than sexual abuse).

Not to mention that she's pretty much a cartoon character, if the giant mallet that she pulls out of thin air didn't give it away.

Bottom line is, I think Omnii and I are interpreting the word "gross" in different ways. I meant it in a "yeah, that's kind of in bad taste, so maybe don't do it" way, and Omnii means it in a "yes, this makes me literally, physically sick" way.

 

[Racosharko]

Like I said, this is the most "explicit" it gets, but she had thoughts like that a lot

Yeah reading that, it's all a bit icky. But I just have different sensibilities.

So, look, you do you, man.

And I imagine people who are already reading your book will probably lap it up like a delicacy, which is fine isn't it?

I mean you must agree that is a bit gross to some degree.

Otherwise, why did you even need to ask the question?

Side note:
I do think it is important to note.
not "Explicit" but conveys the same implication do not make it less gross.

Not explicitly saying "Fuck you" but to imply it can still be offensive, it's the same thing IMO. because the mechanics of me offending you still exist. I still hate you (Hypothetically).

 

[LilRora]

I am treating it as it is. Unless you do intend this turning on to be something different than sexual.
But if the intent is. Man do bonk = sexual attraction? For a child? You asked "is this gross" you understand why it might be. Yet you argue and complain when I explain that yes. I find it gross for a variety of reasons? I don't need you to change it. But don't call what I am telling you bullshit because you don't want to accept the answer to the question. If you didn't understand that it might seem gross then this forum page wouldn't exist.

The problem is not what you mean, but how you talk about it. By immediately jumping to sexism, misogyny, and vileness, instead of neutrally and informatively explaining your point of view, you automatically look like you're accusing him of shit. You think he's gonna agree with you that he's being a vile misogynist, which is what you heavily implied, purposefully or not?

Explain what you mean without that, and may be we'll agree with you. Or if not, we'll at least respect you have your own opinion.

 

[SirContro]

The problem is not what you mean, but how you talk about it. By immediately jumping to sexism, misogyny, and vileness, instead of neutrally and informatively explaining your point of view, you automatically look like you're accusing him of shit. You think he's gonna agree with you that he's being a vile misogynist, which is what you heavily implied, purposefully or not?

Explain what you mean without that, and may be we'll agree with you. Or if not, we'll at least respect you have your own opinion.

Absolutely.

A child making or being involved with sexual references is gross.

The pathetic part is not the opinion but the gross accusation accompanying the opinion.

 

[Empress_Omnii]

So you interpret a couple of lines a certain way and that offends you, the guy clarifies it's not implying what you think it's implying and you choose to keep being offended. Pathetic.

I get asked for an opinion on if something is gross. I explain why it reads that way, what factors are gross, why it can seem harmful. I explain that I don't have an issue with it being gross if it has a point. I am not offended by the lines, I am offended for the fact he purposefully cut context in a quote and treated it as a joke instead of clarifying.

I was told I was overreacting, not given clarification. I was told women are just predisposed to getting turned on from violence. The only thing I got clarified is why she might be turned on is because she likes bloodshed. I still think playing off a young child getting turned on due to trauma to be gross. But not something I would complain about. Because if that is the point, if it is meant to do something then sure. But the purpose is as a joke. As such, then yes, I was given the opportunity to explain why. But everything I say is being brushed aside, as I said. I don't really care if it gets changed.

The problem is not what you mean, but how you talk about it. By immediately jumping to sexism, misogyny, and vileness, instead of neutrally and informatively explaining your point of view, you automatically look like you're accusing him of shit. You think he's gonna agree with you that he's being a vile misogynist, which is what you heavily implied, purposefully or not?

And sure, I agree. I didn't mean to say he was. I was just saying, the content seems to be saying these things. I am explaining my point. I think. Far more than him explaining what this does to help his story. Why does this joke need to be so close to these elements? Why is he brushing aside all of the things I bring up, I don't mean to accuse him of anything, just what he wrote as seeming that way.

 

[ThisAdamGuy]

I was told women are just predisposed to getting turned on from violence.

Yesterday my coworker told me his favorite food is pizza. I sent him to HR for implying that I liked pizza better than hamburgers.

 

[Empress_Omnii]

@ThisAdamGuy I apologize if I did imply you were sexist, and misogynist. I wasn't meaning to say you were, but instead why what you wrote reads that way. I didn't mean for it to come off that way, but I apologize and do not think you are these things. Instead, these can be opinions formed about what you wrote through media literacy.
Edit:
Not that your comments about that stereotype doesn't seem misogynistic. But for all I know, it might be retribution for seeming like I was calling you these things. If that isn't the reason, please tell me why it isn't a harmful stereotype instead of comparing it to things that aren't related...

 

[AncestorDuck]

Absolutely.

A child making or being involved with sexual references is gross.

The pathetic part is not the opinion but the gross accusation accompanying the opinion.

I don’t really know anything about this book, but what do you mean by "child"? I'm sorry, but 15 is not a child; it's adolescence. This is actually the normal timeframe for awakening one's sexual desire. Maybe it's because it's been less than half a decade since I was at that point, so I might have a different viewpoint, as I can still remember how I was at that age.

Another thing: the one who is misogynistic is actually Omnii. In his words, he was referring to only one girl, yet they perceived it as an attack on the entire female population.

 

[SirContro]

I don’t really know anything about this book, but what do you mean by "child"? I'm sorry, but 15 is not a child; it's adolescence. This is actually the normal timeframe for awakening one's sexual desire. Maybe it's because it's been less than half a decade since I was at that point, so I might have a different viewpoint, as I can still remember how I was at that age.

Another thing: the one who is misogynistic is actually Omnii In his words, he was referring to only one girl, yet they perceived it as an attack on the entire female population.

Just using it as a generalization, dude. imo sexual references for characters that aren't adults are gross.

Also why are you calling out Omnii in a reply to me I called her pathetic for the exact behavior you're describing lol.

 

[AncestorDuck]

Just using it as a generalization, dude. imo sexual references for characters that aren't adults are gross.

Also why are you calling out Omnii in a reply to me I called her pathetic lol.

Yes, I see where you're coming from. That's why I said I don’t know anything about this book.

I wasn’t really calling her out, but just pointing out that she completely made that up from her imagination.

 

[greyblob]

No. But I have a feeling you're lacking subtlety. I dont think this character is one to say brazzen sexual innuendoes. so flushed cheeks, a tremor, and elevated heart rate would fit better. her condition can be misunderstood by the guy for fear for an extra layer of comedy

 

[SirContro]

Yes, I see where you're coming from. That's why I said I don’t know anything about this book.

Yeah, same. We can only really judge on the context provided.

I wasn’t really calling her out, but just pointing out that she completely made that up from her imagination.

That's how it usually works with offended types.

 

[Empress_Omnii]

I wasn’t really calling her out, but just pointing out that she completely made that up from her imagination.

I apologize if it seems that way. I do not think of what was said is an attack on women. Instead, stereotypes are harmful. This pushes one. I think that the ideals that share the same space as the stereotype are often misogynist. It isn't imagination but a practice of media literacy. I understand this doesn't seem to be the intent, but it is still something that exists in the scene, and as such I brought it up.

Again, I apologize for not clarifying well enough why I mentioning what I did.

That's how it usually works with offended types.

Also... I am not offended here. I was mostly just failing to concisely explain a variety of reasons why I find the scene to be gross. Maybe I should have just limited it to be calling sexual reactions from a child to be weird? But I wanted to explain every issue I saw.
This is just a conversation/discussion, not an argument and I myself am not mad about anything. Just think it is a very distasteful joke that could exist if it has a purpose... but doesn't.

 

[SirContro]

Again, I apologize for not clarifying well enough why I mentioning what I d
Also... I am not offended here. I was mostly just failing to concisely explain a variety of reasons why I find the scene to be gross. Maybe I should have just limited it to be calling sexual reactions from a child to be weird? But I wanted to explain every issue I saw.
This is just a conversation/discussion, not an argument and I myself am not mad about anything. Just think it is a very distasteful joke that could exist if it has a purpose... but doesn't.

If your behavior is a result of you incompetently trying to explain a point and not an emotional attempt to accuse someone of being sexist than we have very little we disagree on. The gag is weird.

The blob probably had the best opinion in this thread. If the scene was more subtle this thread probably wouldn't have been made in the first place.

 

[DireBadger]

My wife was reading this over my shoulder and said all those people claiming this is gross or unrealistic for a 15-year-old girl, who's probably been interested in boys since she was twelve, getting turned on by a boy defending her don't have the slightest clue what it's like to be a teenaged girl.

You know, when I was in junior high school, drama girls and mean girls CONSTANTLY started 'let's you and him fight' crap between guys BECAUSE they get turned on by the drama. I still have a big scar under my left eye from a fight when I was fourteen caused specifically by a girl trying to get some dramatic action, and that was a fight I WON.

As far as ACTUAL sex, yeah, technically it's illegal to describe anything like that in this country until they are eighteen years old (when I was growing up it was 16, but I guess Millennials act like preschoolers until they are thirty now.) but teenagers being teenagers? just be careful to draw the line at 'prurient interests' (No describing them playing with themselves even though EVERYONE knows they do it)

Considering the amount of smut on SH, I am actually surprised at how many pearl-clutching Puritans there are in the forums here. I started having sex when I was fourteen, and that was a LATE age to have a girlfriend.

 

[soupsabaw]

Because of the idea that knocking out someone will turn a girl on. Especially for a young girl... I would be fine if it were a woman who has kinks or something? But why push that idea onto a child.

I'm with you on this. It's strange imo. People have full capabilities to create adult characters for explicit jokes. Why make it surround a kid...