they got crappy movies, movie full of crap actor idols, or with old directors that go artistic route but blame spectators when its crap, and no funding for big productions as its "too risky"
destroyed game industry thx to TENCENT that steal all ideas from indies
manhua with crappy artists
sports is instinctively dislike by asians
football, any chinese gave up hope for national team that it became common knowledge/sense
To make TLDR short : IN CHINA, THERE WERE JACKSHIT TO DO BESIDE READING WEBNOVELS FOR FREE
that is why all young people in china now know about WNs
I was talking about japanese.
And yes I know about chinese oriented on mobile and that why the industrie of mobile game are huge there and that also the reason why they read novel online due to passing time in transport and other reason.
Also I don't know which manhua you read but the crappy artist are wrong
More like, at that time, CCP is half-blocking jp products
not allowing "CULTURE INVASION"
and english blockbusters "STEALING MONEY FROM THE NATION"
(yep)
Even allowing Saint seya on tv at that time, pissed off gov, feeling that young generation prefer fantasy compared to "their GRAND own culture".
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Its thx to people creating like BILIBILI website for 2d that it slowly became more accepted.
Not all you see in anime or what you read are reality. While the manga and anime are thing there, a lot of professional industrie find it childish and except the big famous one like one piece who are everywhere the older generation (30+) don't really care about it.
That is why capitalists of china
prefered publishing FACESLAP GARBAGE novels compared to good works
FOR MONEY
One example : one great popular novel "Paladin dad"
Only recently won a manhua adaptation (and is butchered btw, big regret)
Now in 2023, there are TON OF WNs rivaling KONOSUBA quality, but lot of manhuas are still crappy-faceslap dating from 20y ago (even chineses despise and calling "3rd rate story")
Luckily, now lot of adaptation of great series are done : like "Time club", "I was stuck for XXXXX years", "Sage of humanity", "My disciple is an empress", "After Ten Years of Chopping Wood, Immortals Begged To Become My Disciples"
"Survive as the hero husband" = adaptation of my number2 favorite novel of all times that rival Reverend insanity, but GARBAGE MANHUA
More like, at that time, CCP is half-blocking jp products
not allowing "CULTURE INVASION"
and english blockbusters "STEALING MONEY FROM THE NATION"
(yep)
Even allowing Saint seya on tv at that time, pissed off gov, feeling that young generation prefer fantasy compared to "their GRAND own culture".
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Its thx to people creating like BILIBILI website for 2d that it slowly became more accepted.
I was talking about japanese.
And yes I know about chinese oriented on mobile and that why the industrie of mobile game are huge there and that also the reason why they read novel online due to passing time in transport and other reason.
Also I don't know which manhua you read but the crappy artist are wrong
That is why capitalists of china
prefered publishing FACESLAP GARBAGE novels compared to good works
FOR MONEY
One example : one great popular novel "Paladin dad"
Only recently won a manhua adaptation (and is butchered btw, big regret)
Now in 2023, there are TON OF WNs rivaling KONOSUBA quality, but lot of manhuas are still crappy-faceslap dating from 20y ago (even chineses despise and calling "3rd rate story")
Luckily, now lot of adaptation of great series are done : like "Time club", "I was stuck for XXXXX years", "Sage of humanity", "My disciple is an empress", "After Ten Years of Chopping Wood, Immortals Begged To Become My Disciples"
"Survive as the hero husband" = adaptation of my number2 favorite novel of all times that rival Reverend insanity, but GARBAGE MANHUA
You really talk about quality and adding konosuba in the same sentence? It's not because your prefered novel get a bad artist that all manhua are crappy.
You really talk about quality and adding konosuba in the same sentence? It's not because your prefered novel get a bad artist that all manhua are crappy.
No, there are lot of great manhuas in 2023 now
sadly, it would NICE if they did it FAR BEFORE (stupid capitalists)
Also i had another grea.....i think 3 favorites with good adaptation
one where MC reroll his talents for like 10years, mega cautious, and like, whole arcs, he simply stay cave and cultivate, but thx to panel know info
one where the author did a good fusion of fantasy x xianxia. Novel was ranked number 2 in 2020 in raw website. "Saint of humanity"
one, is easy to remember the title, "I dont play card according to the routine" novel. Forgot what is manhua name.
No, there are lot of great manhuas in 2023 now
sadly, it would NICE if they did it FAR BEFORE (stupid capitalists)
Also i had another grea.....i think 3 favorites with good adaptation
one where MC reroll his talents for like 10years, mega cautious, and like, whole arcs, he simply stay cave and cultivate, but thx to panel know info
one where the author did a good fusion of fantasy x xianxia. Novel was ranked number 2 in 2020 in raw website. "Saint of humanity"
one, is easy to remember the title, "I dont play card according to the routine" novel. Forgot what is manhua name.
I dont care of being noticed by them.
IN FACT
i am happy i am not
Because i know this mfs can make people disappear.
Luckily i don't live in china.
Or the number of stuff i said, would probably alert them.
Also its not obsession, its a dislike. Its like disliking the studio that did Arifureta butchered the great beginning. Lot of fans hate the anime.
Same as TENCENT bought RIOT and turned LoL garbage.
Same as people hate blizz or EA or Besthesda
I don't focus on the hate/dislike but i also won't forget about it nor forgive him/them/they.
Because for humans, its easier to mention bad memories compared to good memories
Same logic of why TRAGEDY is always more memorable compared to WHOLESOME series
And in fact, near chinese webnovels with a movie maker Mc or a anime creator MC mention this point
to the point there are some novel like "I am a movie director that keep making my audience cry" or "I made the whole country"
Re-reading OP post, I wasnt diverting topic for my first reply.
At first i talked about "how the chinese webnovels, they are pro at conversations in novels"
But then topic switched about chineses
then i talked about the environment of china and blablabla that caused that their pop is more focused on WNs
It's a thing having bad memories, but when you judge something you do it by judging the whole thing and not just what you like or dislike.
The arifureta was a real disapointment and that not the only one with a fucking cgi who ruin it. There too much of it out there, you can even include the anime adaptation of chinese novel who got this fucking game model adaptation and ruin all the design they made in their manhua.
But if we talk about artist manhua quality overall they great and some are even outstanding in term of quality. Now if you want to talk about anime adaptation from them, then yes, you can say they are crappy.
OP, if it's just character voices you want to be unique, I've got some cheats you can use. Take this list and pick 1-3 characteristics that fit the character or reveal something about their character and bam, you're done. Can't remember where I found it originally, but added some of my own into it over the years and expanded it.
Character Voice traits:
Profession language/slang: A character is a mechanic, scientist, etc. and gets words and metaphors flavored from their occupation or background.
How aggressive/submissive they are in conversation: Do they initiate difficult conversations with people they hate or, or do they tend to dread the question and tip-toe around it whilst careful not to offend anyone? (depends who they're talking to ofc)
Amount of humor they use. How much they use humor or like to keep conversations light. Do they make a joke of everything?
Uncertainty: Do they frame everything as a question?
Wishywashy/longwinded-vs-straightforward. How easily they get to the meat of the business vs how much fluff they like to use in talking about inconsequential stuff that please them.
Terse: Short sentences.
Tenses: Speaker uses a tense that's a little bit off, like "always uses 'shall' instead of 'will'", or uses past tense instead of past perfect, or never uses imperfect tenses. Maybe always speaks in present tense?
Conjugation: Character might conjugate all verbs in the third-person. They says this and watches that and likes the schemings and plottings. Or they might not conjugate verbs at all. Speak like Grog Gorilla who go walk in park! Usually used by some kinda animal or foreigner.
Avoids possessive pronouns: "he has a thoughtful expression" instead of "his expression was thoughtful". This kind of phrasing works better than "the expression of him was thoughtful", which is unwieldy.
Replace pronouns with names or nicknames.
Nicknames for everyone!
Endearments: hun, baby, etc.
Breathless: Insufficient or no punctuation. Just doesn’t give a flip speaking without punctuating or pause no matter what speaking so even if it made no grammatic sense.
Brevity: Leaves out normal words if they're not needed for clarity: "Went to store" instead of "I went to the store". Or even "Store."
Shatner: Pauses mid-sentence. For emphasis.
Articles for emphasis: Uses "the" instead of "a", to call attention to a noun. "He bought the beautiful rug" even though "rug" had not been mentioned earlier.
Favorite word: uses a common word more often normal, or in not-quite-appropriate ways. Modern use of "like" for emphasis, for example. Patrick O'Brien had characters use "which" in this fashion. 'And he asked a third time, which he's not gonna like the answer, you mind me.' A "favorite word" doesn't have to be grammatically correct by normal English rules but whatever meaning or purpose they serve for the character, it should do so consistently.
Formal: Elegant, grammatically-correct sentences.
No contractions: Goes well with formal. Also can be ESL.
Casual: Chatty, uses sentence fragments, uses filler words, lots of contractions, colloquialisms.
Erudite: Uses big words. Also goes well with formal.
Plain-spoken: Uses small words
Bless your heart: Avoids hostile/angry language. Patronizingly kind when annoyed, if not deliberately using kind-sounding phrasing while meaning the opposite.
Negativity: Frames things using negative language, in terms of no/not/un-/in-/won't/don't. Eg, might answer "How are you today?" with "nothing's gone wrong so far" instead of "fine". This doesn't necessarily mean the character is negative or unpleasant. For instance, "no problem" is the negative-language version of "you're welcome." Tends to come across as blunt or a downer, however.
Positivity: Avoids using negative language. Eg, instead of saying "No" to an invitation, explains that they have a prior commitment. Doesn’t have to be a bubbly chipper character though. Positivity can come from a deadpan character as great irony.
Rising tone: When uncertain, ends statements with a rising tone (question mark) even if they aren't phrased as questions.
Flat tone: Makes statements out of things that are phrased like questions.
Brusque: Leaves out normal courtesies, like hello/please/thank you/you're welcome/goodbye
Alternate courtesies: eg, "you have my thanks" instead of "thank you" or "no problem" or "my pleasure" instead of "you're welcome".
Polite: uses courtesies frequently. Or uses elaborate ones, or to excess. "A great and wide apology, noble sir, from this humble servant."
New colloquialisms: turns of phrase appropriate to the setting/character religion (or dominant religion: characters may swear by a god they don't believe in)
Swears like a: Uses frequent inventive imprecations. Or uses curse words casually/constantly
Code-switching: Changes speech patterns depending on who they are with (most people do this to one degree or another, but it is more or less marked depending one circumstances.)
Respectful: Addresses people by title & surname.
Rude: Avoids calling people by name, may not know names. "Hey, you."
Poetic: Likes using alliteration and/or rhymes and/or particular rhythms in their speech.
It's a thing having bad memories, but when you judge something you do it by judging the whole thing and not just what you like or dislike.
The arifureta was a real disapointment and that not the only one with a fucking cgi who ruin it. There too much of it out there, you can even include the anime adaptation of chinese novel who got this fucking game model adaptation and ruin all the design they made in their manhua.
But if we talk about artist manhua quality overall they great and some are even outstanding in term of quality. Now if you want to talk about anime adaptation from them, then yes, you can say they are crappy.
Wrong
The arifureta anime butchered the series
not because of bad drawing
Well, indeed a part. But the problem is the timeline.
The beginning.
Protag is a normal kid. In fact a bullied kid but staying strong and the bullying isnt severe.
But after betrayal and pushed to abyss,
he begin to feel despair.
And losing his limb, and spurting blood with inimaginable pain, reinforce the dark vibe
Digging the wall, to escape a MOB that got like HUNDREDS LVLS MORE then him
Then the liquid mana and the monster meat
Cause the famous whitening-hair rebirth moment
Its described that his whole body, veins, muscles are basically DESTROYED, EXPLODING, because of eating monster meat BUT BECAUSE of pure liquid mana, HE IS HEALING (like drinking an elixir)
SO IT RESULT in infinite LOOP of DESTRUCTION - RECONTRUCTION - DESTRUCTION - RECONSTRUCTION
Until it end and his hair turned white (true irl phenomenon if intense pain or stress) and became strong and decide to get out and kill the monster
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ALL THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anime DESTROYED THE MASTERPIECE BEGINNING
its like BIGGEST TURNING POINT and BIGGEST point of the series
Anime : Oh i got white hair with harem, and i gonna flashback on my start of isekai
Fans : Wtf?
It is not they were born it. But experience did it.
Its just that, their focus on webnovels
is like the fusion of western focus of : videogames + sports + mangas + tv shows + movie interest
condensed : reading (writing) webnovels
+ the fact, that internet was cheap
Simply because their main hobby was only that
Even jp can't rival that.
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In another analogy, its like a country focus on agriculture-army-art
and another that focus on army only
for decades
So of course someone that grew in the army country will be strong, as from childhood he watched others kill people and train.
Compared to a country that send to army at 18y old.
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If jp, you got probably 30% of getting a random guy hobby being "reading WN"
then its 93% for nowadays chinese kids or in fact 100% if they are allowed multiple answers. There is now no teen in china that have never read at least once a WN.
Compared if you ask in western, you will often get someone reply "i dont like reading long text". Heck even going to discord, its easy to find one
I do a thing where I take a part of someone I know that actually exists, like an interaction I or someone else had with them. Then I take a part of somebody else and put it into that character. If I feel like it, I do that again. Sometimes I even just base a scene on a real life experience, with a few adjustments to fit the story.
Then you just build up from there, how would this imaginary person you daydreamed about, who's a mix of so and so, react to X situation?
Not sure if you can do the thing like I do the thing, but if you can it will make things easier
Edit: Buddy, I tried to read your first chapter. I couldn't. Rather than focusing on dialogue, you should go over your narration and make more interesting plot hooks.
For example, the narration is first-person, but it reads like a third person narration. Very little of the character's thoughts are actually involved. And most dialogues are overshadowed by the narration outright telling us the intentions of a character. Also, if I encountered your novel out in the wild I would have clicked out the moment the protagonist woke up and went to class (it lasts for a few thousand words!), it's an uninteresting start.
That's just my two cents as a reader :3, don't be discouraged. Just write what seems fun, and not what pads out the chapters.
OP, if it's just character voices you want to be unique, I've got some cheats you can use. Take this list and pick 1-3 characteristics that fit the character or reveal something about their character and bam, you're done. Can't remember where I found it originally, but added some of my own into it over the years and expanded it.
Character Voice traits:
Profession language/slang: A character is a mechanic, scientist, etc. and gets words and metaphors flavored from their occupation or background.
How aggressive/submissive they are in conversation: Do they initiate difficult conversations with people they hate or, or do they tend to dread the question and tip-toe around it whilst careful not to offend anyone? (depends who they're talking to ofc)
Amount of humor they use. How much they use humor or like to keep conversations light. Do they make a joke of everything?
Uncertainty: Do they frame everything as a question?
Wishywashy/longwinded-vs-straightforward. How easily they get to the meat of the business vs how much fluff they like to use in talking about inconsequential stuff that please them.
Terse: Short sentences.
Tenses: Speaker uses a tense that's a little bit off, like "always uses 'shall' instead of 'will'", or uses past tense instead of past perfect, or never uses imperfect tenses. Maybe always speaks in present tense?
Conjugation: Character might conjugate all verbs in the third-person. They says this and watches that and likes the schemings and plottings. Or they might not conjugate verbs at all. Speak like Grog Gorilla who go walk in park! Usually used by some kinda animal or foreigner.
Avoids possessive pronouns: "he has a thoughtful expression" instead of "his expression was thoughtful". This kind of phrasing works better than "the expression of him was thoughtful", which is unwieldy.
Replace pronouns with names or nicknames.
Nicknames for everyone!
Endearments: hun, baby, etc.
Breathless: Insufficient or no punctuation. Just doesn’t give a flip speaking without punctuating or pause no matter what speaking so even if it made no grammatic sense.
Brevity: Leaves out normal words if they're not needed for clarity: "Went to store" instead of "I went to the store". Or even "Store."
Shatner: Pauses mid-sentence. For emphasis.
Articles for emphasis: Uses "the" instead of "a", to call attention to a noun. "He bought the beautiful rug" even though "rug" had not been mentioned earlier.
Favorite word: uses a common word more often normal, or in not-quite-appropriate ways. Modern use of "like" for emphasis, for example. Patrick O'Brien had characters use "which" in this fashion. 'And he asked a third time, which he's not gonna like the answer, you mind me.' A "favorite word" doesn't have to be grammatically correct by normal English rules but whatever meaning or purpose they serve for the character, it should do so consistently.
Formal: Elegant, grammatically-correct sentences.
No contractions: Goes well with formal. Also can be ESL.
Casual: Chatty, uses sentence fragments, uses filler words, lots of contractions, colloquialisms.
Erudite: Uses big words. Also goes well with formal.
Plain-spoken: Uses small words
Bless your heart: Avoids hostile/angry language. Patronizingly kind when annoyed, if not deliberately using kind-sounding phrasing while meaning the opposite.
Negativity: Frames things using negative language, in terms of no/not/un-/in-/won't/don't. Eg, might answer "How are you today?" with "nothing's gone wrong so far" instead of "fine". This doesn't necessarily mean the character is negative or unpleasant. For instance, "no problem" is the negative-language version of "you're welcome." Tends to come across as blunt or a downer, however.
Positivity: Avoids using negative language. Eg, instead of saying "No" to an invitation, explains that they have a prior commitment. Doesn’t have to be a bubbly chipper character though. Positivity can come from a deadpan character as great irony.
Rising tone: When uncertain, ends statements with a rising tone (question mark) even if they aren't phrased as questions.
Flat tone: Makes statements out of things that are phrased like questions.
Brusque: Leaves out normal courtesies, like hello/please/thank you/you're welcome/goodbye
Alternate courtesies: eg, "you have my thanks" instead of "thank you" or "no problem" or "my pleasure" instead of "you're welcome".
Polite: uses courtesies frequently. Or uses elaborate ones, or to excess. "A great and wide apology, noble sir, from this humble servant."
New colloquialisms: turns of phrase appropriate to the setting/character religion (or dominant religion: characters may swear by a god they don't believe in)
Swears like a: Uses frequent inventive imprecations. Or uses curse words casually/constantly
Code-switching: Changes speech patterns depending on who they are with (most people do this to one degree or another, but it is more or less marked depending one circumstances.)
Respectful: Addresses people by title & surname.
Rude: Avoids calling people by name, may not know names. "Hey, you."
Poetic: Likes using alliteration and/or rhymes and/or particular rhythms in their speech.
Wrong
The arifureta anime butchered the series
not because of bad drawing
Well, indeed a part. But the problem is the timeline.
The beginning.
Protag is a normal kid. In fact a bullied kid but staying strong and the bullying isnt severe.
But after betrayal and pushed to abyss,
he begin to feel despair.
And losing his limb, and spurting blood with inimaginable pain, reinforce the dark vibe
Digging the wall, to escape a MOB that got like HUNDREDS LVLS MORE then him
Then the liquid mana and the monster meat
Cause the famous whitening-hair rebirth moment
Its described that his whole body, veins, muscles are basically DESTROYED, EXPLODING, because of eating monster meat BUT BECAUSE of pure liquid mana, HE IS HEALING (like drinking an elixir)
SO IT RESULT in infinite LOOP of DESTRUCTION - RECONTRUCTION - DESTRUCTION - RECONSTRUCTION
Until it end and his hair turned white (true irl phenomenon if intense pain or stress) and became strong and decide to get out and kill the monster
----------------------------------
ALL THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anime DESTROYED THE MASTERPIECE BEGINNING
its like BIGGEST TURNING POINT and BIGGEST point of the series
Anime : Oh i got white hair with harem, and i gonna flashback on my start of isekai
Fans : Wtf?
It's a thing having bad memories, but when you judge something you do it by judging the whole thing and not just what you like or dislike.
The arifureta was a real disapointment and that not the only one with a fucking cgi who ruin it. There too much of it out there, you can even include the anime adaptation of chinese novel who got this fucking game model adaptation and ruin all the design they made in their manhua.
But if we talk about artist manhua quality overall they great and some are even outstanding in term of quality. Now if you want to talk about anime adaptation from them, then yes, you can say they are crappy.
Btw don't critic me on "judge something not just what you like or dislike"
Because its one of my biggest strong point
I can accept criticism on my favorite stuff, and even mention them
Or even praising stuff i dislike
Its like Reverend Insanity
I hate it. Because i hate evilness or evil protag
(heck even disliked when spoiled a bear moment / killed a girl)
But nonetheless i can tell its a great novel for people that like it for its quality.
ps : if i sound hysteric with previous posts, is because i am in a rush, and writing can't convain the tone correcly
ps ps : reason i can judge like that, is because i try to disconnect my feelings (and partially succeed) because of circumstances i wont mention in my life. Hence caused that i can judge with neutrality like a machine or a food judge. But nonetheless, what needs to be bashed still is bashed on. Its like criticizing Diablo4. It is normal if i mention all the numerous ultra garbage points of Diablo4 it could sound like i have a giga hate for it or flaming
Tip 1 : Write a separate text that tell the details of your story, like character biography, the plot, powers, etc
Because even the best of authors forget stuff and they do that.
Tip 2 : Imagine the character is alive or PUT YOURSELF in the shoes of him (like an actor, warning dangerous sometimes if cant get out)
Tip 3: Uh, next time, don't skip line every sentence when posting on forum. Or you could Shift+Enter so it jump line but not a lot
Tip 4 : Try to do "TLDR" for your case you end your post with "TLDR : Please someone try my series and see if dialogue is weird"
Tip 5 : Re-read your post or preview your post next time ^^"
It hurts to delete lot of text already written but sometimes its necessary
Tip 6 : If you can't solve a problem, its a good idea to analyze part per part (=looking at your dialogue word by word)
I dislike this artist\studio. Also, it's not that hard to find manhua with crappy art. A quick glance at aggregator sites, Super Wechat, Beipo Chengwei Fanpai Zhuixu, Immortal Swordsman in the Reverse World, and many, many more.
