Is It Just Me?

Dragonpig

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Have you ever noticed that superheroes of color always seem to fold when a villain threatens their community — but white heroes never do?

Blue Marvel, Static Shock, Black Lightning — the moment someone says "stop fighting or your people get hurt," they back down. Batman gets that same threat and fights anyway. Superman, Wonder Woman — they never stop. The story calls that heroic.
 

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Comics have rules, which should and should not happen.
Any universe an author or artist makes has a set of rules they made for their universe.
It's logical and reasonable for their universe, but we sometimes see certain people break the rules of their verse when they could have made an alternate universe and gone crazy with different ideas, though.
 

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So let me make sure I'm understanding you. superheroes in the DC universe. The white ones are the only ones that can fight the power, but any other superhero who's not white must bend the knee.
Comics have rules, which should and should not happen.
Any universe an author or artist makes has a set of rules they made for their universe.
It's logical and reasonable for their universe, but we sometimes see certain people break the rules of their verse when they could have made an alternate universe and gone crazy with different ideas, though.
So you're saying. in the DC universe. If a superhero is white. They can fight the power. But if there of any other nationality or of color. They have to bend the knee?
 

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It’s not something I’d noticed before but I don’t think you’re wrong.

If I had to guess, my theory would be that POC superheroes are “saddled” with the additional responsibility of representing their own race/community in addition to whatever their actual story is. That implicit tie doesn’t exist for superheroes that the “normative” bias ignores, ie Batman isn’t a “white” superhero he’s “just” a superhero because that’s the assumed default.

That’s not to say that white heroes couldn’t be stopped by threatening a certain person or persons, but those are usually personal and specific to their backstory and who they’re responsible for.

edit: I also think it’s a catch-22 for the writers unfortunately. If they acknowledge those community ties and use them for the story they get accused of having “an agenda”. If they ignore them, they get accused of whitewashing a problem.

edit 2 (sorry, this just got me thinking): We can’t ignore the weight of history either. After so many years of problematic and racist portrayals in media, any POC hero that even flirts with negative traits (like continuing to fight despite risking lives in their community) runs the risk of being labeled problematic as well. Antiheroes don’t stand a chance- think black Deadpool would sell?

edit 3: Black Deadpool absolutely would sell, actually. But the fandom would be Chernobyl-level toxic. Okay, I’m done.
 
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Have you ever noticed that superheroes of color always seem to fold when a villain threatens their community — but white heroes never do?

Blue Marvel, Static Shock, Black Lightning — the moment someone says "stop fighting or your people get hurt," they back down. Batman gets that same threat and fights anyway. Superman, Wonder Woman — they never stop. The story calls that heroic.
I never noticed.
 

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Have you ever noticed that superheroes of color always seem to fold when a villain threatens their community — but white heroes never do?
The superheroes of color? You mean like Martian Manhunter (green) ... or Jemm (red) ... or Kilowog (orange)... Or Impy, The Impossible Man (mostly green, but can change somewhat, and he isn't much of a hero, usually)... Superheroes are very colorful.


Blue Marvel, Static Shock, Black Lightning — the moment someone says "stop fighting or your people get hurt," they back down. Batman gets that same threat and fights anyway. Superman, Wonder Woman — they never stop. The story calls that heroic.
Did you read the original Milestone run of Static back in the 90s? He was possibly the most rounded character in comics, seriously. He did back down sometimes, and sometimes struck out with redoubled fury when "his people" were threatened; he was realistic, really. One of the best written characters of the time, in fact.
Or Icon, who ... well... he was not human but looked like a black man, and was talked into becoming, well, the Superman of the setting. In his first outing, the entire military of Dakota turns its guns on him as he tries to help fight a villain called "Payback." His response? "This kind of thing doesn't seem to happen to Superman..." and he just bulls through to stop the bad guy after TRYING (and failing) to explain.
An interesting side note - in the Milestone setting, and the city of Dakota, Superman is a fictional character. During the "Worlds Collide" event, when Superman appears in Dakota, Blood Syndicate member Holocaust greets him with: "Does Clark Kent know you're wearing his underwear?"

But back to your question, it speaks to character motivation.
Batman is motivated by JUSTICE. He doesn't really worry about communities except as an afterthought. Threaten Gotham, he just works harder to bring you down. Threaten the world and he'll probably call for backup to bring you down.
Superman has backed down in the past, when the threat was too great - he always wins in the end, except when he was very briefly killed, but he does back down. Sometimes as a ruse, true but he does.
Wonder Woman is a warrior - backing down is only an option when commanded to do so by a superior, or if needed to regroup and strike back (and she has in the past).
I don't know Blue Marvel at all.
Black Lightning did not back down when he was younger but in the stories where he is an adult with a family, he also knows his powers have limits and is much more cautious and less headstrong (he also was mentored by Batman and learned to curb his responses by seeing when and how Batman reacted - check out the old runs of The Outsiders).
Luke Cage was very much like Black Lightning (in fact there were accusations that they were the same person with different powers at one time) but he's taken a darker turn lately from what I've read.
 

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So let me make sure I'm understanding you. superheroes in the DC universe. The white ones are the only ones that can fight the power, but any other superhero who's not white must bend the knee.

So you're saying. in the DC universe. If a superhero is white. They can fight the power. But if there of any other nationality or of color. They have to bend the knee?
That is not what Hasako said at all. LOL
 

TinaMigarlo

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If I had to guess, my theory would be that POC superheroes are “saddled” with the additional responsibility of representing their own race/community in addition to whatever their actual story is.
oh, poop. that implies... they aren't "regular people just *happen* to have different color skin".
cause i thought we were all equal, all the same.
but oh well.
 
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