Is Gender Bender tag ruined?

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Envylope said:
I see. And just like oreos we're filled with sweet insides because I'm a bundle of sweetness.
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Prince_Azmiran_Myrian said:
Being clear and honest are things I value, i forgot to say before. I want people to be healthy.
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Then maybe let them be healthy. Let people decide how to pursue their own well-being. Since we're talking about clarity and honesty and things we value, it is my personal opinion that this is the one thing we all owe each other.

Aaaaanyway, is that the sound of the threadlock drums I hear building from the horizon? Nice knowing y'all. We shall surely have this exact same conversation in many future reincarnations... uh, I mean, threads.
 
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Prince_Azmiran_Myrian said:
It's very easy to tell because it's reality and delusion, not an argument.
These people need help and mental correction.
Enabling and affirmation only makes it worse.
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Well, assuming you're "debunking" trans people, this is null and void when you refer to a Sweet Transvestite from Transsexual Transylvania, of course.
Envylope said:
The main goal in fiction should be to entertain. If you're not doing that first, you're already losing.

Sure, you can inform, but entertainment is the most important thing. It's why they're reading fiction and not non fiction. If your informing comes at the risk of the story, don't bother. Nobody wants a hall monitor talking down to them when they read fiction, unless they already agree with you.
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Far too many lose sight of this and use entertainment to teach and push an agenda these days, sadly. The Sesame Street syndrome - it made teaching and entertaining one and the same, and now people who grew up with it expect all entertainment to work that way...
 
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Prince_Azmiran_Myrian said:
It's very easy to tell because it's reality and delusion, not an argument.
These people need help and mental correction.
Enabling and affirmation only makes it worse.
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Prince_Azmiran_Myrian said:
Being clear and honest are things I value, i forgot to say before. I want people to be healthy.
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Enabling and affirmation only makes it worse by making these people happier and more fulfilled to live a clearer image of their honest self? I don't know, man. That sounds pretty healthy.
 
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ShrimpShady said:
Enabling and affirmation only makes it worse by making these people happier and more fulfilled to live a clearer image of their honest self? I don't know, man. That sounds pretty healthy.
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Lying to oneself is unhealthy. Lying to others... well nothing good comes from that.

Honest self huh? How is hating your own body healthy?
 
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Prince_Azmiran_Myrian said:
Lying to oneself is unhealthy. Lying to others... well nothing good comes from that.

Honest self huh? How is hating your own body healthy?
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Yes, honest self. No, not all trans people even experience dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a medical condition, being trans itself is not. One of the ways of treating gender dysphoria is through gender-affirming treatments, which yes, have a high rate of satisfaction among trans people. It very much is healthy.

Look, man, human existence is a complex thing. You can twist trans identities to sound as negative as you want and throw in words like "lie" and "hate", but it doesn't change the fact that acceptance, affirmation, and support lead to much better life outcomes for trans people than whatever your vague idea of a clear and honest living is.
 
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naosu said:
So... I hope I don't offend anyone with this question. But I wanted to ask it. And I wanted to also paint a picture what I had in mind.

Over 10 years ago... if you had a gender bender tag up it didn't have to be about gender identity or sex. It could be a fairly innocent sex-less story. But society has in the last 10 years especially (Not only that but you get the idea) had everyone sort of... force gender out in the open artificially and been trying to make people take sides on it.

This makes me wonder if people are tired of gender bender tags now? Or a turn off? And can ordinary straight people still like and read a gender bender story now? Or are people too divided on it now?

I'm more interested in an innocent theme if I ever do any story on this. And not guaranteed. Mostly I like to figure out ideas and guage out interests of audiences. If a person for example, privately messages me and says hey when are you going to do an (fill in the blank) story, I'm interested in researching it at the very least.
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Partially this may be caused of writers, but it is also largely the caused by the writing sites that do not offer good alternatives. Even Scribble Hub does not have a dedicated genre for transgender and other similar topics - the closest is the Gender Bender genre or various tags. There are many sites, like RoyalRoad, that do not even have tags for that.

Consequently, as many people start to use the next best option, it gets filled with their content, potentially overtaking the original content. I'm pretty sure this already happened a few times in other genres, and it definitely happened many times in various genres if we consider a longer history than online reading sites have.

Specifically in this case, I think we should separate the writing community, which is a lot of closeted or socially inactive people, from the frequently scorned and publicly active "gender" community. Because really, from my experience, there's a world of difference between the two, both in the way they talk, and what they talk about.

I wouldn't say people are tired of gender bender, I think, because of the fairly recent popularity of it (largely for the reasons above), a large amount of people have a certain perception of it that heavily differs from how people commonly perceived it some ten or twenty years ago. Those people who had their views then did not disappear (or at least not completely) - they just became the minority.
 
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