Indide games are RR of gaming world.

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Way back, people i know wanted to make something like spore, by the end of the starting development cycle, the game design bible, look so different from spore you'd have no idea it was base on sporelike game.

Thinking back it was closer to no mans sky than spore...
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This shit post gave me a visceral reaction. Half of RR is stealing ideas from videogames and making up for the lack of good story in them in the other half. At least what gets popular. That's assuming they don't do the over done and sloppy meta narrative version for it. Which at this point is lazy lampshading for Authors that can't make a protagonist that isn't basically just a stand in for the author and their "gamer" mentality.

But yeah no, indie games predate RR just like video games predate litrpg. But tabletop predates videogames, yet storytelling predates written medium entirely.

If I had to put it in words, RR went from being the coolmathgames, to newgrounds, to devolver digital(though not as fun). If we continue with the analogy, Kindle Unlimited is the Steam of indie books. Patreon paywalled web serials are the live service of the novel world. Sites like webnovel or anything that uses coins and fast passes are the mobile games with heavy mtx. Shout outs and the like are unpaid ads, not that RR hasn't already dropped the ball by making it necessary for authors to pay for ads to promote their "free" novel feeding back into the live service model.

Calling indie games the rr of the gaming world, elevates RR undeservingly while making it seem like indie games are all following saturated markets. You quite literally aren't looking at all genres so how would you know? Litrpg is fed from the same cash cow as rpg fervor is. The whole idea of a system based story isn't unlike a random kid picking up rpgmaker, some people can do some incredible stuff with it, but everyone else just uses what's on it to tell the same story.
We are slaves to live service. :blob_no:

That aside, I think the only genre I don’t look at is sports. I’m up for just about anything…aside from Hentai, NSFW, etc. I mean seriously, I got bamboozled once, and Steam is like.

“Alright you degenerate, here is five more!”

Val,

“I didn’t properly look!” :blob_no:

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Way back, people i know wanted to make something like spore, by the end of the starting development cycle, the game design bible, look so different from spore you'd have no idea it was base on sporelike game.

Thinking back it was closer to no mans sky than spore...
:blob_hmm_two: :blob_hmm_two: :blob_hmm_two: :blob_hmm_two:
...
It happens. ?‍♂️
This shit post gave me a visceral reaction. Half of RR is stealing ideas from videogames and making up for the lack of good story in them in the other half. At least what gets popular. That's assuming they don't do the over done and sloppy meta narrative version for it. Which at this point is lazy lampshading for Authors that can't make a protagonist that isn't basically just a stand in for the author and their "gamer" mentality.

But yeah no, indie games predate RR just like video games predate litrpg. But tabletop predates videogames, yet storytelling predates written medium entirely.

If I had to put it in words, RR went from being the coolmathgames, to newgrounds, to devolver digital(though not as fun). If we continue with the analogy, Kindle Unlimited is the Steam of indie books. Patreon paywalled web serials are the live service of the novel world. Sites like webnovel or anything that uses coins and fast passes are the mobile games with heavy mtx. Shout outs and the like are unpaid ads, not that RR hasn't already dropped the ball by making it necessary for authors to pay for ads to promote their "free" novel feeding back into the live service model.

Calling indie games the rr of the gaming world, elevates RR undeservingly while making it seem like indie games are all following saturated markets. You quite literally aren't looking at all genres so how would you know? Litrpg is fed from the same cash cow as rpg fervor is. The whole idea of a system based story isn't unlike a random kid picking up rpgmaker, some people can do some incredible stuff with it, but everyone else just uses what's on it to tell the same story.
It was a half joke.
 

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Way back, people i know wanted to make something like spore, by the end of the starting development cycle, the game design bible, look so different from spore you'd have no idea it was base on sporelike game.

Thinking back it was closer to no mans sky than spore...
:blob_hmm_two: :blob_hmm_two: :blob_hmm_two: :blob_hmm_two:
...
That’s how things can go, but that’s how we can get some interesting games. :blob_popcorn:
 

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Oh, they can be. For a while now, part of the mix with the VN genre, is mixing in compelling gameplay with it. Except Noel the Mortal Fate.

Either way, point is. You gotta look, I just listed 21 games off the top of my head. And all of them had good gameplay, except Noel the Moral Fate.

Some more examples would be the Death End ReQuest series. It mixes in its gameplay with the VN.

The gameplay revolves around controlling each character by the turn, and mixing together combos in order to learn new skills.

With the end game forcing you to learn how to effectively use Glitch mode. First game was similar to an MMO style travel with you transitioning between the real and digital world to follow the really long story. Second game is contained to a town, with events both in the night and day.
if a Visual Novel has gameplay elements like combat and RPG then they aren't Visual Novels anymore...
 

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if a Visual Novel has gameplay elements like combat and RPG then they aren't Visual Novels anymore...
As I explained, they can be. Should really expand your grasp on it, things have changed over the years. Visual Novels are digital books in short, and have slowly been combined with various types of gameplay roughly in the last ten years.

With really in the last 5 years that they began mixing it in more. So, they maintain the digital books, but also provide gameplay, some more in depth than others.
 
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Once again, it is time for the tradition of Sailus uttering a garbage take only to rile up some feathers. Let's take the bait this time. Stray, Baldur's Gate 3, Mount & Blade, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., the Metro series, Dredge, Undertale, etc. were all indie games that broke the mold that was popular at the time they came out.
 
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Once again, it is time for the tradition of Sailus uttering a garbage take only to rile up some feathers. Let's take the bait this time. Stray, Baldur's Gate 3, Mount & Blade, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., the Metro series, Dredge, Undertale, etc. were all indie games that broke the mold that was popular at the time they came out.
I think Sailus is referring to when one of those get successes and spawns a thousand copies. It's not that Vampire Survivors is a bad game, but because vampire survivors got successful, there will now be 50 roguelites by the end of the year.
 

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Once again, it is time for the tradition of Sailus uttering a garbage take only to rile up some feathers. Let's take the bait this time. Stray, Baldur's Gate 3, Mount & Blade, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., the Metro series, Dredge, Undertale, etc. were all indie games that broke the mold that was popular at the time they came out.
I won't argue because it's not a serious take. I'm not here to argue with people in the first place. The only point I have to prove is how two things have similarities.
 

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I think Sailus is referring to when one of those get successes and spawns a thousand copies. It's not that Vampire Survivors is a bad game, but because vampire survivors got successful, there will now be 50 roguelites by the end of the year.
Poor Vamp Envy, they have now become a product for the mass. :blob_popcorn:
 

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I won't argue because it's not a serious take. I'm not here to argue with people in the first place. The only point I have to prove is how two things have similarities.
And the Star Wars prequels are heavily inspired by Arthurian legends, with Ben being Merlin and Luke being the chosen one with a special sword. Sometimes one good thing inspires another good thing and many bad things.
 

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I will simp for Project Zombiod, warts and all. That's about it though.
 
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