Writing How to write an skill-retarded combatant?

[NotaNuffian]

Skill, technique, forms or movement sets. The names here refer to the same thing and that is the fighting style that differentiate sects from one another.

For instance, Northern Shaolin style empahsize on fast and fierce punches with stable lower bodies by half squats while Taijiquan's is more on gentle and slow movements that use the enemy's strength against them. Or Wing Chun's rapid fist cuffs with uncomfortably close distance for controlling the centre line of attack compared to Capoeira's whirly kicks and dances. These examples are just the extreme ends of the spectrum that I wanted to illustrate for no particular reason other than to drool like an idiot imagining Chun Li's thick thighs crushing my head.

Back to my main point, how to write a retard whose only good points in a combat is that he has dog like instinct and reflexes, heals faster than lizards and hits harder than an isekai truck sending heroes to another world against a bunch of "geniuses of their style"?

Here is a comparision with Alex the sword genius and James the fucking retarded POS braindead MC whose only good at homeland terrorism.

Alex is great at imitating others' style, ie be they use spear or fist, he can convert their fighting style into a sword style. He can then use said style with ease, the first time he follows the stances, he is like an amateur. The second time, it is as though he has practised for years. The third time, it looks like he has been doing the stance for decades and the fourth time, he can use the style as though they are his limbs.

James on the other hand is a farmer, a lazy farmer who has no talent for anything, even in farming. All he got is a system that send lightning through his brain like Crimson Comics' orgasms and steroids through his body until he is eight feet tall. While the system does not make him smarter, it makes him think stupid thoughts faster.

My initial explanation of how James manages to catch up to Alex is like Grid to Kraugel, being a diligent cuck who swings the sword until it becomes pure muscle memory. And because James has higher strength stats than Alex due to the system, James' hits are alot more painful than Alex's, assuming they hit. Also, due to James rigidly using the stances, most enemies who are faster or on par to Alex's intellect can predict and even counter the farmer before his hits can hit.

Here I got stuck in writing how they fight, not with one another yet, but rather with the same enemy not at the same time. It was Alex first who had a go with the knight leader of the baron and he planned to kill Alex immediately after the latter's refusal to submit to the baron's whim. Of course sword genius got away by outperforming the leader and managed to nick his face before he escaped, so the grudge got pass down to James (friend in the same village) and the fight is... odd.

Also a quick talk about James' fighting style, it is like a suicidal brawler. Due to stuck in hell by the system and having his skull bashed open more times than the local bangkok toilet usage, the farmer's fighting style consist of throwing shit, grabbing shit, tearing shit and ora ora ora the shit out of his opposition. Any sense of pain and perservation is lost because he can heal fast and has skin capable of withstand stabbings. Not to mention that his ultra instinct that tells him whether the strikes of his opponent are real or feints and the direction of it as well, it is just that the farmer trust his healing to carrying him through and have the tendency to take the blows head on.

For the record, I am writing for a W for James to rip the leader in half at waist by barehands, but writing about a wild bear fighting against an experienced sword user is for me frustrating because I don't want to have James just using his superior stats strat to steamroll all his more powerful opponents and it is at here I try to use the leader to make a comparision of the farmer and Alex with the leader praising sourly the latter's skill. Then I am stuck at here, what to write about the farmer? Him swinging the longsword recklessly with no care on edge alignment but the blows can knock the socks off of the leader when connected?

 

[RepresentingWrath]

You write how someone skilled fights and then do the opposite for a braindead MC. ??? Profit.

 

[NotaNuffian]

You write how someone skilled fights and then do the opposite for a braindead MC. ??? Profit.

Alex locked his sword the second time with the armored man in front of him, the first had ended with him almost thrown out of balance by the bigger man and his head nearly flew.

Despite his swift reaction, the leader did drew blood from his cheek and glazing at his mocking eyes behind the slits of his helmet, the knight leader once again shoved toward him once more, already picturing his victory. Only when he felt that his victim had already slipped away while he fell forward did his eyes widened.

Without missing a beat, the redhead who had slided to the armored man's side and stabbed his longsword hard onto the chain protected neck.

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The leader was perplexed as the blow that resulted in the loud bang and huge dent on his helmet rattled his head, from his limited view, the slash on the farmer's stomach had only resulted in his tunic torn. No blood, the skin was barely blemished as the tiny white line caused by the blade running past was already vanishing. He barely able to duck out of the way of another downward slash before catching his own breath a couple of steps away.

James snorted at the tin can, before raising his sword up once again, not caring for his open front as he leaped straight at the gasping man.

 

[KiraMinoru]

A skill retarded combatant is easy, just make them do jumping and spinning attacks.

So just about every shounen MC in anime is that.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Alex locked his sword the second time with the armored man in front of him, the first had ended with him almost thrown out of balance by the bigger man and his head nearly flew.

Despite his swift reaction, the leader did drew blood from his cheek and glazing at his mocking eyes behind the slits of his helmet, the knight leader once again shoved toward him once more, already picturing his victory. Only when he felt that his victim had already slipped away while he fell forward did his eyes widened.

Without missing a beat, the redhead who had slided to the armored man's side and stabbed his longsword hard onto the chain protected neck.

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The leader was perplexed as the blow that resulted in the loud bang and huge dent on his helmet rattled his head, from his limited view, the slash on the farmer's stomach had only resulted in his tunic torn. No blood, the skin was barely blemished as the tiny white line caused by the blade running past was already vanishing. He barely able to duck out of the way of another downward slash before catching his own breath a couple of steps away.

James snorted at the tin can, before raising his sword up once again, not caring for his open front as he leaped straight at the gasping man.

What is this?

 

[greyblob]

For the record, I am writing for a W for James to rip the leader in half at waist by barehands, but writing about a wild bear fighting against an experienced sword user is for me frustrating because I don't want to have James just using his superior stats strat to steamroll all his more powerful opponents and it is at here I try to use the leader to make a comparision of the farmer and Alex with the leader praising sourly the latter's skill. Then I am stuck at here, what to write about the farmer? Him swinging the longsword recklessly with no care on edge alignment but the blows can knock the socks off of the leader when connected?

cheat and use something like the Mountain vs the gay swordsman fight from GOT

 

[NotaNuffian]

What is this?

A very short and BS scene that just came into my head.

As you can tell, for Alex's scene, I suck at writing "skilled" sword fighting.

For James', I demonstrated how ridiculous his defense is.

cheat and use something like the Mountain vs the gay swordsman fight from GOT

???

 

[Zirrboy]

Just make them fight like you structure your posts.

 

[greyblob]

A very short and BS scene that just came into my head.

As you can tell, for Alex's scene, I suck at writing "skilled" sword fighting.

For James', I demonstrated how ridiculous his defense is.

???

yeah. it's actually not as I remember, but it's still close. think something along the lines of a swordsman dancing around a brute. the brute keeps missing and keeps getting cut but eventually lands a left hook that knocks the guy on his back. and the fight is over

 

[NotaNuffian]

Just make them fight like you structure your posts.

I will be frank.

At first it is fun structuring like that, but once I start to edit the damn thing, I feel my toes curl not from precum leaking out of my faccid penis due to joy, but the cringe. The cringe.

 

[Zirrboy]

I will be frank.

At first it is fun structuring like that, but once I start to edit the damn thing, I feel my toes curl not from precum leaking out of my faccid penis due to joy, but the cringe. The cringe.

That sounds like you're on a good track

 

[RepresentingWrath]

A very short and BS scene that just came into my head.

As you can tell, for Alex's scene, I suck at writing "skilled" sword fighting.

For James', I demonstrated how ridiculous his defense is.

Oooh, it was "skilled" sword fighting. Anyway, to show the difference, you need to show the difference in perception. A skilled swordsman would probably see a fight like a game of chess. A skilled swordsman pov would be different. There would be much more feints. A swordsman would know the names of techniques used by him\her or his\her opponent and how to counter them. And other stuff like that.
Also, I forgot to add something. Watch MMA fights and try to analyze them. Especially some of the older fights. They show a great example of a pro fighter and someone who only know how to swing fists. And I think this difference in mentality and skill of MMA fighters can be transferred into sword fights.

 

[T.K._Paradox]

Okay is you want to write someone that is basically a street brawler that has retard strength. I present Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, and Leatherface. All of these guys have never had an ounce of training in their life, they simply overpower you.

They aren't going to be perfectionist with their combat techniques. They will go for the most simple, and brute force option. What limits people that have this enormous amount of strength and no training, is the fact they will learn from experience alone.

Unlike the Bruce Lee looking mother fucker, who has been taught by every grand master ever, who will more than likely be able to notice this guy's attack patterns or where his defense is sloppy.

But unless there is a force multiplier involved (I.e. a sword, polearm, axe, bullshit strength boost, etc,) or the skilled combatant can take out the big guy quickly, he is going to get grappled and crushed by the brute.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

As much as I hate to recommend another Isekai... Try Princess Connect redive. The main character lost his memories to the point that he is retarded. Going so far as to attempt to eat coins thinking that they were food. Though he is stupidly OP. As for how to write a character like this? Well, I would say that you should try to dumb down your character to the point that it is not annoying but a hindrance to everyone else. Then let him show off in fights that he had no business being a part of. Let's say he spends an entire chapter trying to find the owner of a lost cat that is actually a very rabid mountain lion or something. Though his dumbass thinks it's a housecat and because he's so OP that it can't hurt him. Then have him get lost and end up on a battlefield where he is still trying to find the owner of this cat among the fighting soldiers. Anyone who tries to attack him just gets their ass beat and he keeps wandering along looking for the owner.

 

[NotaNuffian]

As much as I hate to recommend another Isekai... Try Princess Connect redive. The main character lost his memories to the point that he is retarded. Going so far as to attempt to eat coins thinking that they were food. Though he is stupidly OP. As for how to write a character like this? Well, I would say that you should try to dumb down your character to the point that it is not annoying but a hindrance to everyone else. Then let him show off in fights that he had no business being a part of. Let's say he spends an entire chapter trying to find the owner of a lost cat that is actually a very rabid mountain lion or something. Though his dumbass thinks it's a housecat and because he's so OP that it can't hurt him. Then have him get lost and end up on a battlefield where he is still trying to find the owner of this cat among the fighting soldiers. Anyone who tries to attack him just gets their ass beat and he keeps wandering along looking for the owner.

Damn... the only thing I'm interested for that series is the doujins they spawn.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

Damn... the only thing I'm interested for that series is the doujins they spawn.

That's fair. Gotta say that I did not enjoy the first episode as much as I thought since it has been so hyped up so I see what you mean.

 

[Deleted member 54065]

Just write with James using the power of friendship to bulldoze every villain in his path.

But yeah, seriously, my MC started off as skill-retarded.

All that he was good for is to run, get scared, or get his ass kicked in combat. For these parts, I wrote him with a lot of jumps, runs, evade, an occasional 'hail Mary' shot, run again, and sometimes throw up when he 'accidentally' kills someone out to murder him.

As for James, based on the information you give, he can just go all out with no care about his injuries.

You can write him swinging his weapon wildly, while his skilled opponent simply dodges his moves. (For provocation)

Jumps, large 'all-out' swings, lunges, and continuous forward movements following his enemy are logical moves for the unskilled James, not to mention, he's bound to get irritated by his failure to engage the foe (since you said he has the tendency to do stupid).

 

[Kenjona]

1st fights in reality are stupidly easy, bigger does = better, skill takes second place. You wade in and take the punishment from fancy pants swords man and wallop him a time or two until they are down. Oberon versus Gregor is a good cinematic example of it.

If you want to see different styles fight each other watch MMA, fancy styles have no place in a normal fight. Except! When they are a surprise. There is a reason most fighters of different styles pare down their styles to just a few moves, it is because the other moves they are taught are too inefficient in a scrum or require to much set up to do.

Example:
Pure: Capoeira is an ok style for combat on its own, but its training builds fighter's strategy, physical capabilities, and game planning. It also besides fancy spinning has a more Karate/Mu Thai style of fighting with kicks. But in close quarters you need a back up, as pure Capoeira does not do very well in clinches and very close quarters fighting. Granted Capoeira teachers are starting to add how to deal with clinches better in the last 10 years, or just adding a new style to their fighters repertoire.

And no fighters do not think like it is chess match constantly once in a fight, they react with their instinct based on their experience and how they want the fight to go. It is nearly all muscle memory. Mind you they can explain afterward what and why they did what they did.

 

[Deeprotsorcerer]

There are simply too many aspects of what a skilled fighter does vs an unskilled one to provide a fix-all here buuuuuut.

You could have James oversell his attacks, big windwups and lots of overcommitment. Where a boxer would throw a jab, James would throw a haymaker, that kind of stuff. He'd get made fun of by skilled opponents for being so brutish and predictable, but he'd only need to hit those braggarts once.

Alternatively, when he finally runs across someone that can defeat his healing factor with a poison/corrosive weapon, we'll see him shit his pants as what used to work suddenly doesn't work anymore. He'd also find a hard time training someone.

 

[2021]

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