How do you feel about the AWU writer's strike?

[AnonUnlimited]

I wasted far too many words on this. But the gist of it is, people don't believe Diverse and Woke to be the same thing, and treating them like they do is a really really good way to LOSE vital allies.

I enjoyed avatar a lot, same with Star Wars 4-6. I didn’t seem Buzz lightyear though.

I wanted to say that I didn’t see any of those you mentioned as right wing or even left wing, sure you mentioned there are themes like that but honestly you could also say Aang is a Libertarian too. Boxing people/characters into left and right in fiction takes away from the other thing you mentioned about character development.

Substance.
What’s the substance of the character and what’s the theme of the story.

Generally speaking, the main problem I have with a lot of anime, is that many characters lac substance or have some BS explanation or their personalities and their power don’t mesh. However, the good anime has a substance of characters in it to where it’s consistent with what’s happening.

It’s funny because Luffy as a goofy character is great, but the goofiness in “fire force” pisses me off. It’s hard to put my finger on why One Piece can do it but Fire Force can’t.

I’d say it’s the same with Christian movies like “Gods not dead” where they kind of force the idea that Christian’s are always right and good, which almost all of the “good guy Christian’s” are kind of one dimensional is the equivalent to woke Hollywood who makes all the diverse characters one dimensional good.

that’s just my thought on it.

Good writing is good because the characters are flawed with both strengths and weaknesses, there are very few exceptions to this rule, and not being able to portray diverse characters in a negative light takes away from their humanness.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

I enjoyed avatar a lot, same with Star Wars 4-6. I didn’t seem Buzz lightyear though.

I wanted to say that I didn’t see any of those you mentioned as right wing or even left wing, sure you mentioned there are themes like that but honestly you could also say Aang is a Libertarian too. Boxing people/characters into left and right in fiction takes away from the other thing you mentioned about character development.

Substance.
What’s the substance of the character and what’s the theme of the story.

Generally speaking, the main problem I have with a lot of anime, is that many characters lac substance or have some BS explanation or their personalities and their power don’t mesh. However, the good anime has a substance of characters in it to where it’s consistent with what’s happening.

It’s funny because Luffy as a goofy character is great, but the goofiness in “fire force” pisses me off. It’s hard to put my finger on why One Piece can do it but Fire Force can’t.

I’d say it’s the same with Christian movies like “Gods not dead” where they kind of force the idea that Christian’s are always right and good, which almost all of the “good guy Christian’s” are kind of one dimensional is the equivalent to woke Hollywood who makes all the diverse characters one dimensional good.

that’s just my thought on it.

Good writing is good because the characters are flawed with both strengths and weaknesses, there are very few exceptions to this rule, and not being able to portray diverse characters in a negative light takes away from their humanness.

Bruh.

 

[BB_Tensei]

It’s funny because Luffy as a goofy character is great, but the goofiness in “fire force” pisses me off. It’s hard to put my finger on why One Piece can do it but Fire Force can’t.

Luffy's just stronger.

 

[T.K._Paradox]

Yep, and this is how I generally see it used on the net.

Leftwing is, well, anything generally covered under left-wing politics. Media can be left-wing and do it really, REALLY well.

Take ATLA. ATLA is leftwing as fuck (literally the premise is, near-extinct Air Nomad travels across the world to learn cultural appreciation in the form of bending multiple elements and then goes and kicks the ass of the imperial oppressor known as Fire Lord/Phoenix King Sozin. There are also strong-as-HELL female characters in Katara and Toph with wonderfully diverse backstories, an amazing antagonist in Azula, cultural clashing with Toph wanting to rebel against the Bei Fong's traditions, oh and let's not forget GENOCIDE IS BAD. Like, literally ATLA says Don't Be Fascist. Does anyone complain about ATLA being woke? NO THEY DO NOT. Why not? Because it's a damned good story that doesn't need to snipe anyone to appeal to everyone. Oh and icing on the cake, Aang literally defeats Sozin by NOT KILLING HIM AND INSTEAD REMOVING HIS PRIVILEGE.

Edit: ALOK too, with the Korrasami ending. Also Not Woke, because those two had their journeys laid out over four seasons and we GOT to see them develop their bonds with each other. Yeah people complain about ALOK, but like 90% of that is because it's being held to the standard of ATLA which is Downright Unfair.

Star Wars IV-VI? That's left-wing too. Has anyone forgotten that Darth Vader's elite forces are literally called STORM TROOPERS? As in Sturmabteilung, a paramilitary unit of Nazi Germany that literally translates to Stormtroopers? Oh and they function like the Schutzstaffel aka THE SS. Oh and how is Sidious defeated? By Luke Skywalker GIVING UP HIS "TOXIC" (traditional) MASCULINITY (conformance to social role) AND BEGGING FOR HELP. Not Woke.

And a fun anime one: Kuina in One Piece. She was Zoro's childhood friend and rival, who promised him that one of them will become the Strongest Swordsperson (Swordsperson is my edit). One of her pivotal scenes is crying and lamenting that women are physically weaker than men which will severely get in the way of her ambition. She then dies to an adversary the fanbase likes to call Down D. Stairs, which, okay I actually dislike that part, but no one complains about One Piece being woke when it has characters literally fighting traditional gender roles (Kuina, Big Mom, Tashigi arguably), but also its central theme is PRO-FREEDOM, MILITARY DICTATORSHIP BAD (The Marines are a staple antagonist throughout) Still not woke.

Star Wars VII-IX. Rey Skyfucker. Woke. What makes her woke? Let me count the ways: She out-technicians Han Fucking Solo ON REPAIRING HIS OWN GODSDAMNED STARSHIP with zero experience on the matter. She teaches HERSELF Jedi Mind Trick in a cutscene UNDER DURESS, a feat of learning that is SO hyperbolic for the setting that it defies belief. But apparently The Force Is Female so she has magic sorceress powers. She manages to diss, sass, disrespect, and downright insult said Luke Skywalker IN HIS OWN DOMAIN. Remember, that guy who defeated the Fucking Empire the first time?! Oh, she also discovers how to TELEPORT OBJECTS ACROSS ARBITRARY DISTANCE USING THE FORCE despite this never having been done before before! (This technique completely invalidates the plot of Rogue One btw) Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh and at the end of IX, she APPROPRIATES the Skywalker surname and NO ONE CALLS HER ON IT. Sequel Trilogy shat over its entire foundation so that they can hit their key points of Woman Protagonist Is Goddess, and White Men (Han) Are Shit (gets showed up by a complete stranger in his own field).

The most insulting bit about all of this is Disney already DID Strong Female Protagonist RIGHT. When? Star Wars Rebels, featuring Ahsoka Tano. Ahsoka is SO beloved a character that they brought her back in The Mandalorian! Disney had no godsdamn reason whatsoever to make Rey Palpathief and yet.

I've heard that Lightyear, that Buzz Lightyear movie that was supposed to be why Andy has the Buzz toy in Toy Story, completely made the titular character incompetent in service of their message that Diversity Is Good. From what I understand, rookies with different visual characteristics completely show up the trained and battle-hardened Buzz Lightyear to where he just basically apologises, gives control of the mission to them and boom solved. Which is moronic. If you wanted Diversity Good, you could have had one of them suggest an off-the-wall idea that is SHIT on its own, but Buzz sees something there, THANKS the rookie for the idea, and transforms it into something that DOES work because he HAS the experience needed to do that, explaining (NOT "mansplaining": he legitimately IS the SME and those rookies are his charges and part of his job is to help train them) to them where the original idea blundered and why, but more importantly why the idea is amazing and saved their skins. That would be kickass. But they decided to shit on him, and that's what makes it Woke.

I wasted far too many words on this. But the gist of it is, people don't believe Diverse and Woke to be the same thing, and treating them like they do is a really really good way to LOSE vital allies.

Despite this being a big block of words, which usually means there is an unhinged rant when it comes to scribble hub, you have a valid point despite me disagreeing with some aspects of your argument:

It isn't about the message, it is about presentation and execution of said message.

 

[Eclectic_Asininity]

Without homophobes, homosexuals wouldn't be seen as an oppressed group; if they weren't seen as an oppressed group, they would just be "people," thus losing all credit with organizations like the ADL and losing all importance to socio-political causes because there is nothing to "combat." As a noble ist/phobe of various causes, I serve an important purpose; without people like me, these artificial minorities would not exist. It is a thankless service that I do not out of enjoyment but out of necessity.

 

[phaeous]

Actually.. unions are really unnecessary unless the people in it are jointly seeking work - but that's not it virtually always, yeah?

People have capital (their own skill | their own idea | their own coin | their own worksite) then they assemble based on an ideal

 

[Rezcore]

So to explain, the American Writer's Union has gone on strike against Hollywood TV producers. Their reasoning being that the union contract recently expired and neither the Union nor Hollywood could agree to terms. I don't know every detail but from what I gathered, Hollywood doesn't want to pay the writers enough while also increasing their production funding.

Now, my personal opinion is that Hollywood should pay them more because they deserve to be paid properly for their work. However, I don't like the idea of bad writers being given the equivalent of tenure since that just means we're gonna get more shows/movies with shit writing. I can justify the last sentence since a good chunk of the union writer's are daytime/reality television show writer's who we already know are awful. That said, I may be wrong and possibly have a misunderstanding of the situation, so do your own research and let me know what you think about it. Are you with Hollywood, the Union, neither, or both?

As someone that was in the Adult entertainment industry as a cameraman, all I can say is fuck Hollywood. I was told I had to join the correct guild if I wanted to keep being a cameraman. Because yep, I really want to wear a rain coat and face shield to block miscellaneous bodily fluids for $5K a shooting session just to have to give them 34% because I'd have had to be in 1 of 3 guilds.

 

[Rezcore]

I talked to a buddy that is still in the industry, his company has worked with some very big "talents" (that's what you call pornstars on set) and also has an animation branch specializing in Disney parodies. Turns out his company is owned ultimately by Disney via a staggering array of cut outs and shell companies, and they've received flash drives from the Disney animation studios they have to claim as their work.

 

[TheEldritchGod]

Snot nosed punks. Woke pieces of crap. Hope they all lose their jobs and die in a ditch. they ruined so many peoples lives, they deserve nothing but misery.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Snot nosed punks. Woke pieces of crap. Hope they all lose their jobs and die in a ditch. they ruined so many peoples lives, they deserve nothing but misery.

"I miss the misery! Ohuuwaohh!"