How do you build an audience for your fiction?

[reigeko]

Strange choice to reply in French to someone calling your writing AI generated and then expect a response... You can clearly use English one way or another since the initial post is in English.

haha excuse me, it was the computer's automatic translator that was preventing me from writing in English, I'll rectify that straight away! When I wrote in English, it was still published in French '^^

I can tell you from experience that the only way to progress is to write, write, and write.
I have over 4,100 followers on Royal Road, and now I'm starting on Scribble Hub.
Since posting the first chapter on June 14, I've seen significant growth with 2K views, 41 favorites, and 36 readers. While it's a modest start compared to Royal Road, I'm steadily building my audience.
How?
I keep on posting almost every day.
If you put in the effort, you get the rewards. They don't fall down from the sky on your head. You need to invest the effort and do the work.

Thanks you, I'm going to prepare several chapters in advance so that I can publish every day as well. Do you have any advice on how to write or on various strategies?

 

[mynovel]

I am using ChatGPT and Claude

 

[reigeko]

I am using ChatGPT and Claude

Claude ?

 

[Deleted member 166076]

Claude ?

I looked it up and it seems to be an AI that can be used for research and editing

 

[reigeko]

I looked it up and it seems to be an AI that can be used for research and editing

Oh I see, honestly, I'd rather develop an audiance than depend on the pen of an ia. But I don't think I'm going about it the right way

 

[Deleted member 166076]

Oh I see, honestly, I'd rather develop an audiance than depend on the pen of an ia. But I don't think I'm going about it the right way

AI is mostly just a tool. You can tell it to list off any misspelled or incorrectly used words and then manually make the edits yourself. It's not much different from having a reader suggest edits to you. Sometimes they're wrong and sometimes they're right, but having it brought to your attention allows you to edit much faster and easier.

 

[Xcalibur_Xc]

I don't use the gpt chat to write the story I don't use the gpt chat to write the story

I'm writing for like 5 years now and I know when it's AI written. I even used 6 ai checker. It's 100% AI written. The first few chs, I don't know about the rest.

 

[mynovel]

Claude is better than ChatGPT in AI novel writing

 

[reigeko]

I'm writing for like 5 years now and I know when it's AI written. I even used 6 ai checker. It's 100% AI written. The first few chs, I don't know about the rest.

If I use ia to write then I won't be able to stay consistent in the story, something ia isn't capable of. What I do is write on my own and use an ia to correct turns of phrase and repetition errors, but I don't use it to write the story, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense.

Claude is better than ChatGPT in AI novel writing

I'm not trying to create a story with the ia, I've already planned what I want to tell but if it comes up with a better turn of phrase then it could be interesting.

 

[Deleted member 166076]

If I use ia to write then I won't be able to stay consistent in the story, something ia isn't capable of. What I do is write on my own and use an ia to correct turns of phrase and repetition errors, but I don't use it to write the story, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense.

I'm not trying to create a story with the ia, I've already planned what I want to tell but if it comes up with a better turn of phrase then it could be interesting.

Yeah, I definitely don't reccommend using AI to write things for you. It's one thing if you ask it for say a list of things an adventurer might do to prepare for a dungeon trip and then you cherry pick things and write the chapter yourself or if you ask it to list misspelled and incorrect words out of a length of text and then fix the main copy yourself. It's another to just trust it to do all the writing for you.

 

[reigeko]

Yeah, I definitely don't reccommend using AI to write things for you. It's one thing if you ask it for say a list of things an adventurer might do to prepare for a dungeon trip and then you cherry pick things and write the chapter yourself or if you ask it to list misspelled and incorrect words out of a length of text and then fix the main copy yourself. It's another to just trust it to do all the writing for you.

Exactly, especially as this is a platform where we're trying to convince people through our narrative creativity and not through that of an ia.

 

[Bartun]

Just joking. But yeah, you have to be consistent, that's why I have given up. I'll try to build one once I'm finished with my damn novel.

 

[Xcalibur_Xc]

If I use ia to write then I won't be able to stay consistent in the story, something ia isn't capable of. What I do is write on my own and use an ia to correct turns of phrase and repetition errors, but I don't use it to write the story, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense.

I'm not trying to create a story with the ia, I've already planned what I want to tell but if it comes up with a better turn of phrase then it could be interesting.

Paraphrasing is the same thing lol. It's AI. Anyway, speaking of consistency, you know very well that there are various plugins for Chatgpt that do that for you, and with proper prompts, it isn't impossible to write a 200-250 chs book with each chapter 1.2-12k words. Anyway, deny all you want. I said what I wanted to. The rest I don't care.

 

[beast_regards]

You don't, and you can't.

What you need is discoverability. Discoverability means that people can find your story. (Duh, Cpt. Obvious)

For people to find your story, you need to engage in marketing to advertise your story. Not only marketing is a skill (or qualification, even if you are looking for the job) it is something you need support for. Sites which are theoretically supposed to help you with building the audience, like Royal Road, do everything in their power to milk you for as much money as they can without even showing your story to anyone, and make up even more creative obstacles to make your story found. So, you can't rely on them.

Who you could relay on?

Well, you could spam link to your story to the social media, but it almost always trigger the wave of the people creating the account just to make you feel even more miserable, along with telling you "mean things", and give you bad rating you would remember them by as they push your story down in any rating system the site you posting on may have, making a whole endeavour of "advertising on social networks" counterproductive. You are already on the Internet; you don't need to encourage people to send your death threats, it's a feature by default.

In the end, you don't have any other actual option than to simply spam chapters hoping someone would notice you on as many sites as possible, and hoping that their combined reaction would not only be positive but also sufficient to keep you motivated.

 

[Deleted member 166076]

You don't, and you can't.

What you need is discoverability. Discoverability means that people can find your story. (Duh, Cpt. Obvious)

For people to find your story, you need to engage in marketing to advertise your story. Not only marketing is a skill (or qualification, even if you are looking for the job) it is something you need support for. Sites which are theoretically supposed to help you with building the audience, like Royal Road, do everything in their power to milk you for as much money as they can without even showing your story to anyone, and make up even more creative obstacles to make your story found. So, you can't rely on them.

Who you could relay on?

Well, you could spam link to your story to the social media, but it almost always trigger the wave of the people creating the account just to make you feel even more miserable, along with telling you "mean things", and give you bad rating you would remember them by as they push your story down in any rating system the site you posting on may have, making a whole endeavour of "advertising on social networks" counterproductive. You are already on the Internet; you don't need to encourage people to send your death threats, it's a feature by default.

In the end, you don't have any other actual option than to simply spam chapters hoping someone would notice you on as many sites as possible, and hoping that their combined reaction would not only be positive but also sufficient to keep you motivated.

See, I both agree and disagree with this. You need to be able to have your story discovered by lots of people yes, but you also need to be able to keep those readers as well. Making them feel more connected to the story and selling your brand of story telling makes it so those curious viewers turn into devoted readers.

 

[beast_regards]

See, I both agree and disagree with this. You need to be able to have your story discovered by lots of people yes, but you also need to be able to keep those readers as well. Making them feel more connected to the story and selling your brand of story telling makes it so those curious viewers turn into devoted readers.

If only 10 readers from 100 like your story, it's not a problem per se.

As long as the remaining 90 doesn't do everything in their power to sabotage your effort to deliver the story to the remaining 10, which is a serious obstacle, especially with the sites like Royal Road with institutionary hatedoms where the negative massively outweigh the positive. Most amateur writers don't need to have a story for 100/100, because the few who appreciate the writer's work motivate the writer to improve, but it's hardly possible where you can't get even that one fan. (of course, the situation is different when you try to make money, that needs to get attention as many people as possible to even be financially viable, but that's not the case for most of us here)

 

[Deleted member 166076]

If only 10 readers from 100 like your story, it's not a problem per se.

As long as the remaining 90 doesn't do everything in their power to sabotage your effort to deliver the story to the remaining 10, which is a serious obstacle, especially with the sites like Royal Road with institutionary hatedoms where the negative massively outweigh the positive. Most amateur writers don't need to have a story for 100/100, because the few who appreciate the writer's work motivate the writer to improve, but it's hardly possible where you can't get even that one fan. (of course, the situation is different when you try to make money, that needs to get attention as many people as possible to even be financially viable, but that's not the case for most of us here)

Dude, you are WAY too negative about all of this. That's coming from someone who has had literal death threats thrown their way over their writing, not because I write anything political or controversial either.

 

[Zinless]

I'm writing for like 5 years now and I know when it's AI written. I even used 6 ai checker. It's 100% AI written. The first few chs, I don't know about the rest.

You cannot rely on AI text checkers.

They're not like AI image checkers where they can actually analyze the composition and/or file data. These simply analyze how structured the sentences are and how "predictable" they are, so to speak.

A person who writes very rigidly could be flagged as 100% AI, and someone who prompted a silly/weird story using AI (like I did in the example) could be flagged as 100% human.

 

[Xcalibur_Xc]

You cannot rely on AI text checkers.

They're not like AI image checkers where they can actually analyze the composition and/or file data. These simply analyze how structured the sentences are and how "predictable" they are, so to speak.

A person who writes very rigidly could be flagged as 100% AI, and someone who prompted a silly/weird story using AI (like I did in the example) could be flagged as 100% human.

Bro, I already said, it's AI-written and anyone good reader and author would know just from simply reading the chapter. AI checker is just to prove my point. Defend all you want, it won't change the fact. As for the example you showed, I don't see the paragraphs. LOL. Anyway, I already said what I wanted. IT'S AI-WRITTEN, AT LEAST THE FIRST FEW CHS WHEN I READ BACK THEN. Oh, I just checked back, this author is a piece of work lol. He changed the chapters soon after getting caught using AI. Hahahaha. He used that humanized plugin from ChatGPT. Anyway, I am done with this. You can go and check the views. Most edited chs have 0 views. There you go, proved my point.

 

[reigeko]

Bro, I already said, it's AI-written and anyone good reader and author would know just from simply reading the chapter. AI checker is just to prove my point. Defend all you want, it won't change the fact. As for the example you showed, I don't see the paragraphs. LOL. Anyway, I already said what I wanted. IT'S AI-WRITTEN, AT LEAST THE FIRST FEW CHS WHEN I READ BACK THEN. Oh, I just checked back, this author is a piece of work lol. He changed the chapters soon after getting caught using AI. Hahahaha. He used that humanized plugin from ChatGPT. Anyway, I am done with this. You can go and check the views. Most edited chs have 0 views. There you go, proved my point.

Look, I'm not using ia to create the story but to correct and avoid repetition, I didn't edit the first chapters as you say, I'm doing a general edit of the first part of the story. As I intend to make the chapters shorter, instead of it taking up 9 pages on google drive, I'm trying to fit it onto 4 pages and that's why you have the impression that I've changed the chapters. I'm currently editing my tenth chapter and I'll be moving on to the next one soon.
What would be my point in writing a story completely for free based solely on AI? Of course you can prove that certain passages are written by AI but that's only when I slightly modify the passage by saying for example "Correct the repetitions" or "Correct the spelling mistakes".