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All of them, but they don't know it. They each sought out other people in the group to organize everything, but only ever two others, so nobody really knows the whole plan, just that their two contacts are involved.

1. Henry Frond
John's bad behavior is catching up to him and Henry wants a permanent out of their association to not be dragged down with him.
He is the one to actually do the killing, became part of the whole complot on rather short notice and based on manipulations the others have planned for a while. Probably the one to officially get blamed.
2. Sophia Melrose
Revenge because John caused his brother's death to get him out of the way for his very much unreciprocated advances on Sophie.
3. Penelope Gayle
Revenge for being blackmailed into sleeping with him with some debt her family has. Also money.
4. Cameron Shayle
Revenge for John indirectly causing his gambling addiction and the failure of his artist career. Also money.
5. Samuel Hardy
Revenge for the way John left his sister in the wake of their marriage (outwardly fine, but actually broken and addicted to heavy medication).
6. You
Bringing justice to scum that evades the system.

Maybe make it two win conditions, one where Henry is identified as the culprit and one excellent one where the whole complot is uncovered.
 

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You. You killed him, and now youre trying to convince yourself to forget it. ofc this doesent work that well and needs some more fleshing out but whatever. shit idea anyway
 

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I think it would be fun to have a character like Samuel or Henry have no real motive but be implicated by a large amount of evidence. Like when you’re at the 45 minute mark of an hour long cop show and everything points to this one guy being the killer, but there’s still 10-15 minutes left so you know that can’t be the case.
 

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motives

Sophia is sleeping with Cameron. he's using her to finance his addictions and she's using him to get his father's money since her expensive lifestyle is draining her fast.

Samuel fell in love with the nurse. their relationship was kept hidden as he wasn't on the best of terms with john. one day he notices the nurse not being herself. he gets her to talk and finds out john had forced himself on her.

methods

knife in locked room seem too difficult but here's something anyway

John is walking back to his room. someone comes up behind him and stabs him in the back. he trips inside quickly turns and locks the door. goes to reach his phone by the bed but it has no signal/not there. he lost too much blood by now. tries to go back to the door but fails and passes out halfway there and ultimately dies.

John is hopped up on some pretty strong drugs/is gas-poisoned to a degree where he can barely feel his body. someone stabs in the back before he gets in his room. he doesn't feel it, goes inside locks up, and gets ready for bed. finding himself spewing blood, he gets out and walks to the door but can't. again: lost too much blood, passes out, dead


if you end up using any of this let me know (for my own curiosity)
Some of the ideas are usable. Ai-chan will probably use some. Though Ai-chan just wants to confirm... you remember Cameron is Sophia's son, right?

I'm honestly reminded straight away of "Detective Conan", so I'm going to imagine it in that way. (More description of the room would have helped. Are there windows? Furniture? Old air shafts? Modern doors?)

Samuel Hardy found out something that ruined his life plans. John Spats, that piece of shit is going to lose all his fortune according to his financial manager. He pleaded Samuel to reason with John, to stop his idiotic plans. Samuel agreed, but only on the surface. He was raging mad inside. John has promised his sister compensation during their divorce, but now it looks like they will get nothing. Why did he forgive that piece of shit? He will pay, before he can burn the money so that he can get his cut.

A final gift. A remote control toy car. Samuel knows his former friend. He knows that John will take his expensive present to a private study room, to play with it when everyone has retired for the night.

What John doesn't know is that the remote control is fake. A intentionally made electronic hazard. Strong enough to knock unconscious a fully grown man and perhaps kill him if Samuel is lucky.

Samuel knows the layout of this mansion, easily navigating the corridors in the dark.

A prone figure greeted him in the study. Time to clean up the real evidence and fabricate a story, with a knife!

The fake controller replaced with the real one. The toy car placed in front of the door. A tin wire looped over the rotating wheel axel. One end attached to the inside lock, the other passed under the floor. Samuel has tried this setup before. As a "friend" he visited the mansion and tested this setup. Now the final touches... STAB!!!...The body spasms its last, reaching out for help.

Samuel is already planning his next move: I need to quickly dispose of these two fake controllers down the mountain. I'll have plenty of time to hide and then completely erase the evidence from existence with all this confusion going on. Maybe they will think that a killer came in from the outside? Some special gear to unlock the window, then lock it from the outside? Matters not. Rest is hell, old friend.
Yes, there are 3 windows, but all of them are locked from the inside same with the door. Not the auto lock on closing either, he use dead bolts which means it must be manually locked by hand. So it's not possible to lock the door and windows from outside. The air shafts are high on the wall that connects the room to the hallway. It's too small for an adult to go through.

Samuel definitely still has some resentment over the divorce, and that could be his motive. Thanks for your input.
Reminds me of Hercule Poirot's Christmas

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Penelope is John's illegitimate child. He left her poor mother when she became pregnant, leaving her with some meagre shush money. Penelope's mother soon after married someone so she would not be a single mother rising a child on minimal income, so Penelope got her stepfather's last name and John did not realise she's his daughter. The affair remained secret, until the mother told Penelope on her deathbed who her father is, though not what kind of person.

After that, Penelope wanted to know what her real father was like, so she got employed as his nurse and maid - and over time learned just how much of a douchebag he is. So being the psychopath she is, hiding behind a mask of gentle beauty and kindness, she starts plotting his demise and the celebration presented the opportunity.

She injected him with enough adrenaline to induce overdose when she was supposed to give him another drug (I assume there is a reason he needs a nurse) and when it set in, started monologuing about her revenge. When he tried to crawl away and find help, she stabbed him in the back, with a knife that just about everyone touched that evening.

Then she got out of the room through the window after locking the door from inside and closed the window with a string attached to the latch/handle. She makes sure to remove the string in the confusion and panic as they find the body.
Well, Ai-chan's style is supposedly similar to Agatha Christie after all. So Ai-chan thought, how better to see how Ai-chan fare against someone successful with a similar writing style. So Ai-chan decided to write in the genre that made her popular. Ai-chan has never read Hercule Poirot's story, though. When Ai-chan was young, read Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys.

Ai-chan did think about making Penelope John's illegitimate daughter and that could be her motive. Thank you for your input.

Or the cop wasn't invited at all.
To be fair, the V screwed up almost eveyone life I think.

Let summarize that V's bad history. A huge majority is based on assumptions.

- Assaulted a HS girl (Who?)
- Got arrested by cop for assault
- Divorced from SH's sister, had fallout with SH
- - Likely to be cheating with one or more women
- Rich = money drama
- Playboy = Love trouble
- Douchebag = Asshole miser who like to trample the lower classes or the weak
- Rich + Playboy + Douchebag = Potentially spoiled childhood or money corrupted = Potential involvements with embezzlement/ fraud/sex crimes (may have been covered up)
- Killed after giving Christmas gifts at party one night
** Christmas gifts or "repentant" speech strongly agitate Suspects
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Just a question. Victim was killed in his bedroom correct? Or whose room was it?
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Victim killed trying to escape toward door
= Ambush setup / fear of someone he know
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But one thing really bug me is the victim's posture. It's like he got stabbed out of surprise than fear.
So what was position of Victim's left hand?
We gonna need height of the suspects too.
How tall is Victim?
- Assaulted a HS girl (Who?)
Ai-chan hasn't decided to make the case significant, but he did provoke you by mentioning how he got off scot-free when you were instead demoted.
- Got arrested by cop for assault
Yes, he did.
- Divorced from SH's sister, had fallout with SH
Yes, that was several years ago
- - Likely to be cheating with one or more women
He did.
- Rich = money drama
That could be a motive
- Playboy = Love trouble
That could be a motive too
- Douchebag = Asshole miser who like to trample the lower classes or the weak
He doesn't gain pleasure in trampling the lower classes, he just likew ruining people he considers a challenge or would be fun to ruin
- Rich + Playboy + Douchebag = Potentially spoiled childhood or money corrupted = Potential involvements with embezzlement/ fraud/sex crimes (may have been covered up)
Some of those did happen.

Yes, he was killed in his own bedroom. He was alone in a locked room that can only be locked from the inside.

The left hand was under his forehead. His right hand is more extended towards the door.

Victim is of average height, around 5'7.
Henry Frond is slightly shorter by a few inches but stockier.
Sophia Melrose is 5'6 and quite slim.
Penelope Gayle is 5'4 and quite bosom.
Cameron is about the same height as Penelope with a potbelly and messy appearance.
Samuel Hardy is 6'1 and quite fit.
You're about 5'6 and not as fit as you used to.
Can one of the murder weapons be a condom?
No.

All of them, but they don't know it. They each sought out other people in the group to organize everything, but only ever two others, so nobody really knows the whole plan, just that their two contacts are involved.

1. Henry Frond
John's bad behavior is catching up to him and Henry wants a permanent out of their association to not be dragged down with him.
He is the one to actually do the killing, became part of the whole complot on rather short notice and based on manipulations the others have planned for a while. Probably the one to officially get blamed.
2. Sophia Melrose
Revenge because John caused his brother's death to get him out of the way for his very much unreciprocated advances on Sophie.
3. Penelope Gayle
Revenge for being blackmailed into sleeping with him with some debt her family has. Also money.
4. Cameron Shayle
Revenge for John indirectly causing his gambling addiction and the failure of his artist career. Also money.
5. Samuel Hardy
Revenge for the way John left his sister in the wake of their marriage (outwardly fine, but actually broken and addicted to heavy medication).
6. You
Bringing justice to scum that evades the system.

Maybe make it two win conditions, one where Henry is identified as the culprit and one excellent one where the whole complot is uncovered.
Ai-chan hasn't thought about having two culprits, but Ai-chan will explore the possibility. Thanks.
 
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Though Ai-chan just wants to confirm... you remember Cameron is Sophia's son, right
oh I misread that, thought he was his son. scratch that then.
someone said the nurse could be John's illegitimate daughter. maybe Cameron found out, and after a fallout with his father and being told that the will will be changed and he's not getting any of the money, seduced/threatened her with one of her siblings into killing him.
 

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He got stabbed in the back via stealth ambush. But he knew his killer?
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What if the killer is not from the crowd?
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Let say, the Outside who hated the man to the core.
- Rich = money drama
That could be a motive
- Playboy = Love trouble
That could be a motive too
- Douchebag = Asshole miser who like to trample the lower classes or the weak
He doesn't gain pleasure in trampling the lower classes, he just likew ruining people he considers a challenge or would be fun to ruin
- Rich + Playboy + Douchebag = Potentially spoiled childhood or money corrupted = Potential involvements with embezzlement/ fraud/sex crimes (may have been covered up)
Some of those did happen.
One too many motives.
And considering the work experiences of "You" it wouldn't be a surprise that traces of crimes can be covered up easily.
Yes, there are 3 windows, but all of them are locked from the inside same with the door. Not the auto lock on closing either, he use dead bolts which means it must be manually locked by hand. So it's not possible to lock the door and windows from outside. The air shafts are high on the wall that connects the room to the hallway. It's too small for an adult to go through.
So it has to be someone short and small.
And that someone need to know the sntire layout map of the Victim's house.
Yes, he was killed in his own bedroom. He was alone in a locked room that can only be locked from the inside.

The left hand was under his forehead. His right hand is more extended towards the door.
So abperson he trusted enough to know his bedroom.

And the left hand . . . . Hard to tell whether it's a dying message or not. Or that the Victim was long dead before the discovery event.
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Clues are pointing at Women, Shorter people, and younger children around teenage.

(I am looking at the nurse maid Penelope here)

But clues can be thrown if someone know how to flexible their own bones via dislocations.
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I don't know much about the banker Frank's sociopathic tendency. Is he impulsive or manipulative?
???
Any chance Victim is Gay or Bi?
**Just want to check the Rom route.
**Any chances that culprits would cooperate for murders?
 
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What Ai-chan needs help with is in deciding on the murder method and the motive of murder for the suspects.
Ok, another situation. What if the killer is a novice, has panicked and fumbled. It would be more natural to leave more evidence behind this way. (Didn't pick a character/motivation because I've got nothing more to add to that.)

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The party is going well into the night, another half an hour and everyone will be out cold. You have suggested to a few guests to gift alcohol, and it flowed like a river tonight.

You pretend to stumble into the restroom. However, you move to John's bedroom instead. You need to prepare a few things for what is to come.

You put on gloves and shoe covers, walk up to the most out of the way window, open it and climb out. You walk to the treeline to retrieve a drinking glass. Then climb back inside, close the window, draw the curtains. A glass of hydrogen cyanide and ice will boil once the ice melts, precisely in 30 minutes. The drunk John will pass on to the afterlife while sleeping. A heart attack from overdrinking.

Next, for the lock. You put a small pin and wire into the mechanism and out to the other side of the door, preventing it from fully closing. A drunk wouldn't notice anything amiss in the dark and go to sleep. You've made sure of that.

-An hour later.

You enter to erase the evidence. However...

You are panicking internally. On the floor and passed out, he was reaching for the door! There won't be another chance. John has the money to make sure of that. He has done so before. There is no choice but to go with plan B. Knife the bastard!

Perhaps he would have died by the morning without your intervention, but you wanted him dead, not leaving anything to chance. You take a knife from the nearby table and plant a stab right through his spine. There was barely any reaction, this wasn't necessary, as it turned out.

Still shaking from the experience, you work on an autopilot to remove the glass and use the pre-arranged setup to lock the door from the outside. Now that it doesn't look like a natural cause of death, it isn't necessary to lock the door, but you aren't in a state of mind to think rationally.
 

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I was cucking everyone and nudged them to their breaking points. I set several traps up so they can try to kill me all the while leading Spats to each one hoping for the best. I made them do everything they could to kill the man they love.
 

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Thanks everyone for the help. Ai-chan has sorted out the murder method. Ai-chan hasn't decided who would be the culprit yet and the complete motive of the culprit.

If anyone wants to give their ideas still, Ai-chan will leave this open. But considering that this thread has been derailed, Ai-chan will have it locked the next time someone says something unrelated or trollish.
 

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While I don't know how best to do the stabbing, if the nurse came across him, recognized him being beyond help, and then poisoned him to end his suffering, it would add an interesting twist.
 

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I can't help.

Look. What you want in a locked room mystery is that it has some sore of poetic justice about it. He's got a knife in his back. Okay, he was betrayed. Great. WHY? WHO Felt he desired a knife in the back as JUST DESERTS? No. Nobody cares.

WHY was his death a knife in the back?

What action did he take that made this his poetic death? Where is the irony? You are the one that made the victim a douchbag. THEREFORE he had to do something to provoke this. Either had has to be a tragic victim who didn't deserve it so we feel bad for him, or he totally had it coming. If there is no emotional weight to his death, then you wasted plot.

Plus it's obviously a comedy.

Henry Frond? Obviously a reference to Henry Ford.
Sophia Melrose - Melrose place, the TV drama
Penelope Gayle - The singer
Cameron Shayle - The Director and his fascination with geology
Samual Hardy - The Hardy boys? Really?

I'm suppose to take these people seriously?

You are all over the place thematically. You want a locked room mystery, but you have all these silly names. You went with the most boring death possible, knife in the back, then you locked the room, because obviously someone wants to get away with it. If you are going to carry this story it needs to be on the back of our villain.

Take it back to formula.

WHAT DID THE VICTIM DO TO DESERVE DEATH?
His death must synch up with that, or it will not be satisfying.

For example:

Imagine a villain. He is an evil industrial dude. He strip mines entire sections of the world. Thousands get cancer. Out protagonist figures out his mother died from the villain's actions.

Then the villain drops dead while jogging for no reason.

Well, he's DEAD. He had it coming. You set up his death. All sorts of crazy shit happened, but his death just... happens. He is written out with a single line of text. How does the reader feel? Satisfied? Enjoyment? Sadness? Worried? Anything?


You want ideas? Give me more than "Douchbag".
 

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I can't help.

Look. What you want in a locked room mystery is that it has some sore of poetic justice about it. He's got a knife in his back. Okay, he was betrayed. Great. WHY? WHO Felt he desired a knife in the back as JUST DESERTS? No. Nobody cares.

WHY was his death a knife in the back?

What action did he take that made this his poetic death? Where is the irony? You are the one that made the victim a douchbag. THEREFORE he had to do something to provoke this. Either had has to be a tragic victim who didn't deserve it so we feel bad for him, or he totally had it coming. If there is no emotional weight to his death, then you wasted plot.

Plus it's obviously a comedy.

Henry Frond? Obviously a reference to Henry Ford.
Sophia Melrose - Melrose place, the TV drama
Penelope Gayle - The singer
Cameron Shayle - The Director and his fascination with geology
Samual Hardy - The Hardy boys? Really?

I'm suppose to take these people seriously?

You are all over the place thematically. You want a locked room mystery, but you have all these silly names. You went with the most boring death possible, knife in the back, then you locked the room, because obviously someone wants to get away with it. If you are going to carry this story it needs to be on the back of our villain.

Take it back to formula.

WHAT DID THE VICTIM DO TO DESERVE DEATH?
His death must synch up with that, or it will not be satisfying.

For example:

Imagine a villain. He is an evil industrial dude. He strip mines entire sections of the world. Thousands get cancer. Out protagonist figures out his mother died from the villain's actions.

Then the villain drops dead while jogging for no reason.

Well, he's DEAD. He had it coming. You set up his death. All sorts of crazy shit happened, but his death just... happens. He is written out with a single line of text. How does the reader feel? Satisfied? Enjoyment? Sadness? Worried? Anything?


You want ideas? Give me more than "Douchbag".
Ai-chan would answer all your question in the OP, but this is scribblehub, not stackexchange. Nobody would read all those details. People here would just be confused, stop reading and give troll answers. For the matter of getting the details of a murder mystery, asking questions to Ai-chan is the best way.

WHY? WHO Felt he desired a knife in the back as JUST DESERTS? WHY was his death a knife in the back?
The knife in the back is accidental. The culprit did not plan on murdering him. Due to anger, he was stabbed in the back as he turned around.

What action did he take that made this his poetic death? Where is the irony? You are the one that made the victim a douchbag.

Henry Frond
- Henry made some bad investments and made a high interest loan but can't pay it. He asked John for help, but John laughed at him and told him to just steal from the bank or sell his pretty daughter into prostitution if he needs money so much.
Sophia Melrose - She had an affair with John in the past, her husband found out about it and being the delicate person he was, he drove out of the house and was involved in an accident. Sophia blamed John as it was John who called him to return just so that he could see his brother's face when his brother found out John's been sleeping with his wife. She was the last person seen together with John the night he died.
Penelope Gayle - She is John's illegitimate daughter, who became his nurse and maid when she decided to see him to ask him why he left her mother. John hired her on the spot thinking that she was asking for a job. Eventually, her daddy complex devolved into an incestuous relationship that tormented her. She thought she was the only one who knew she's John's daughter, but Sophia revealed during the investigation that John being the douchebag he was knew about her for years. Sophia points out that John likely told Penny about it last night just to mess with her and laugh as he looked at her devastated face, and Penny killed him for it.
Cameron Shayle - He wanted to borrow money from John so that he can put up an art exhibition. John laughed at him and told him that his art is trash only worthy to be seen at the landfill. Cameron was drunk when he asked this of John.
Samuel Hardy - He's actually still pissed about John simply divorcing his sister for made up reasons. His sister really loved John and was never the same after the divorce. He wouldn't kill John, but he had too much to drink that night and John was talking smack about his sister at the party in front of everyone. Ai-chan thinks his motive is the weakest, so this will likely be reexamined.

Actually no, while the inspiration of the names are from various sources, the reason for the names being chosen were:
Henry Frond - Henry was the first name that came up. Frond rhymes with 'pond', in reference to 'pond scum'
Sophia Melrose - This is actually in reference to a Malaysian actress, Nelydia Senrose, Ai-chan thought it was Nelydia Melrose, but it was actually Senrose. Don't know what a Melrose place is or which movie it's from.
Penelope Gayle - Penelope is a random name, and Gayle was supposed to be from Stephen King's Christine. But Ai-chan went back just now to check her family name and it turned out that her name is Leigh, not Gayle. Now Ai-chan is confused why Ai-chan thought the character's name was Gayle.
Cameron Shayle - Cameron is taken from Cameron Mitchell, from Stargate. Shayle was because Ai-chan thought of 'shale' but just using 'Shale' is boring, so the name was changed a bit. Totally forgot that he was supposed to be Sophia's son and John's nephew, so his name should've been Cameron Spats or Cameron Melrose.
Samuel Hardy - Samuel from Supernatural. Hardy is from Thomas Hardy, the poet.


As for the murder method, Ai-chan has it decided on and tested. The murder method is simple and crude, but it works with about 30% failure rate. But that's okay, because as long as nobody is around, the locked room method can be attempted over and over until it succeeds.
 
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WHY? WHO Felt he desired a knife in the back as JUST DESERTS? WHY was his death a knife in the back?
The knife in the back is accidental. The culprit did not plan on murdering him. Due to anger, he was stabbed in the back as he turned around.
So we have a tragic death. Accidentally stabbed in the back.

So what we need is for the reason for him to be stabbed in the back to be because he was misunderstood. He was actually trying to help someone or to do the right thing, but because someone didn't understand the whole situation, it resulted in his death. He was betrayed accidentally because he wasn't understood.

This should be mostly because of the victim's flaw. His flaw should be a desire to help others, but he is a Tsundere. He is a very aggressive person, because of the nature of his life. He has to be ruthless in his area of work/success because if he isn't, he would be destroyed. Because of this, he has a hard time showing people he actually cares. He is so used to unleashing his anger to get his way, he has no ability to actually be nice an SHOW IT.

So, due to this, he is misunderstood, which results in misunderstandings, which results in his death.

He should be found having rolled over on his side. He should have forgiven the one who accidentally killed him. He should try to write out the word "FORGIVE" in his own blood, but have it gets screwed up because he's dying and it looks like he's trying to Write 'Frond'

Then, at the end, the truth of what the victim was doing can be revealed and the guilt of killing someone out of anger when if they just talked would have found out he was actually doing "good", drives the real killer into confessing.
 

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So we have a tragic death. Accidentally stabbed in the back.

So what we need is for the reason for him to be stabbed in the back to be because he was misunderstood. He was actually trying to help someone or to do the right thing, but because someone didn't understand the whole situation, it resulted in his death. He was betrayed accidentally because he wasn't understood.

This should be mostly because of the victim's flaw. His flaw should be a desire to help others, but he is a Tsundere. He is a very aggressive person, because of the nature of his life. He has to be ruthless in his area of work/success because if he isn't, he would be destroyed. Because of this, he has a hard time showing people he actually cares. He is so used to unleashing his anger to get his way, he has no ability to actually be nice an SHOW IT.

So, due to this, he is misunderstood, which results in misunderstandings, which results in his death.

He should be found having rolled over on his side. He should have forgiven the one who accidentally killed him. He should try to write out the word "FORGIVE" in his own blood, but have it gets screwed up because he's dying and it looks like he's trying to Write 'Frond'

Then, at the end, the truth of what the victim was doing can be revealed and the guilt of killing someone out of anger when if they just talked would have found out he was actually doing "good", drives the real killer into confessing.
Ai-chan feels like that's too much of a Japanese trope. When you're in pain and about to die, you won't be able to write the person's name. Sure you said he screwed it up, but Ai-chan didn't plan on doing this at first. But thinking again, it could be a source of conflict. Maybe he wants to say "Sorry" but only managed to write "so" and people immediately assume Sophia killed him since she was the last person seen with him. Thanks, Ai-chan will see if this is usable.

But that 'confessing at the end of the case' bit feels too much Scooby Doo. Like, why would you confess to your crime? Even if all evidence point to you killing the man, a good defense attorney could turn it around. "All you say can and will be used against you in the court of law" thing. Sure, Japanese crime mangas such as Detective Conan and Kindaichi did the same too, but that's pretty much cultural. In Japan, the prosecutor does not prosecute a criminal unless they have a perfect case, that's why when the police brings out the paperwork, you'd be better off just confessing since they already have a perfect case against you, thus making the Japanese legal system has 99% conviction rate.
 
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