Has anyone received any propositions or deals from people interested in your stories before?

[Ulvrlaoch]

I have, and so too have plenty of others.

But everyone here will tell you to stay far away from Webnovel. They take full ownership and rights of your work and slap you with a slave contract where you have to keep writing at an unsustainable rate or else you have to pay them back several times what they originally pay you. This also includes subsidiary companies working for them.

It's not worth the pittance they give you, and your time is much more valuable than that. But congratulations on joining the club! It means you're at least pretty good, so that's something to feel happy about!

I was sent a contract when I started writing a fanfiction which I had categorised wrong and when reading the fine print I noticed this and very quickly got rid of my story from there. I have ideas for continuing the story on here or other places but definitely not on Webnovel

I got a message from someone claiming to be an AE (acquisition editor) for Webnovel who was interested in my work and wanted to see if I'd be interested in sharing my work on their site, possibly under a contract if I was interested.

I wanted to share this to ask if anyone has had any similar experiences?

Only read on Webnovel don't publish there. It's not worth it

 

[Speedwagon889]

I've gotten a comment on Ao3 from webnovel before, pretty sure I either deleted it or left a reply letting everybody know what a scam it was.

 

[Tyranomaster]

I've never looked passed the initial offering, but you could hypothetically modify their entire contract to be completely in your own favor, changing all the legal wording, then send that back to them signed and say "here is my revised contract, please sign". Worst case, they catch it and say no. Make sure to put a $50,000 breach of contract penalty for their side. If they don't catch it and don't uphold the terms (as long as they are within reason), then they owe you money.

To keep terms in "reason" you allow them a portion of profit, and have some requirements on your end (however minimal).

 

[PancakesWitch]

then there is this:

Aaaaaand there is so much more.

I'd like to see your contract if possible to compare. Of course, censor your private information first if you decide to indulge us, and let us see the contract that brings in "thousands" easily and what terms you are being subjugated to.

I dont consider giving up the rights of my novel and making it exclusive to them a slave contract, so that is not a problem to me.
Once more, there are thousands of contracted, dropped novels, and nobody has even been sued or something.
The daily upload necessity is for engagement with your audience and getting promotions, the more tou upload the more your story is promoted, which brings more readers.
I make passive income with multiple completed stories and many ongoing ones, you could say im a quantity over quality author, you can check my webnovel profile of the same name as this.
However, i am not trying to sell webnovel to anybody to be honest, i still dislike those things, and have grown tired of them, so my new novels are going to patreon mostly (and im earning well from there too).
If you still have a hard time believing someone hard working is earning well then i dont know what else to say, have a nice day.

 

[Corty]

I have a hard time believing people over the internet without them providing proof, especially when they go against established knowledge that is backed with evidence. So excuse me if I don't believe anything that someone says over the internet for face value without knowing the person.

AD if im pretty sure is a half-contract, like, it doenst own your shit, it simply lets you profit off webnovel affiliated novels by putting your chapters to be paid there.

From this previous comment, I assumed you didn't even read your own contract or, more likely, were offered a unique one. That is what I was interested in.

I dont consider giving up the rights of my novel and making it exclusive to them a slave contract, so that is not a problem to me.

You do you. But many people here would not want to sign off on that point. There is nothing wrong if you consider your books as just work to earn money and don't mind giving away rights over them. It is perfectly fine, but many people don't feel right about that.

The daily upload necessity is for engagement with your audience and getting promotions, the more tou upload the more your story is promoted, which brings more readers.

Of course. That is basic knowledge, and here comes why most people call it a slave contract. Many authors struggle with writing even 1k worded chapters per week, not to mention per day. I checked some of your works, so from a quick glance, you perfected the way, with 2-3k words per chapter while free and usually 1k chapters when it turns into the premium. Assuming that your locked chapters are all around 1k words (the ones I checked were all barely above 1k), and to make it work, you need to pump them out daily, which is what many others call a slave contract.

Tl;dr: someone just can't do it, and now they signed over all the rights to their novel and don't even get paid. I think you must agree with me that for those people, this is a loss-loss situation.

I am not attacking you here, nor your work ethic. Okay? As someone who writes daily chapters, I am more than aware of what it means, so relax there. I just need proof before I go, "Yeah, that's right."

But once again, you are not giving me anything, so I went and checked for myself.

• Your Patreon earns you 3100$ per month.
• You have 8136 chapters that are locked behind payment.

One chapter of yours averages around 26 coins to unlock a premium chapter. As WN obscures what the coin per dollar conversion is, I can't figure out a correct rate, and I am also too lazy for that. Let's say one chapter earns you 1 dollar.

Then yeah, I can see you earning a passive income. Maybe not 8136$ per month; let's be generous and halve it. That is still 4069$ (nice) dollars, which, yes, is a good chunk of cha-ching.

See? It isn't hard to convince me if there is proof provided. But I am not going just to accept someone's word for it, especially when it's thrown out vaguely.

 

[HungrySheep]

Sorry to say, but the "Wattpad to published" stories or the "I published a webnovel on RR and now I'm making $5k/month after 2 months!" stories are massive outliers that are HARD carried by luck. It doesn't matter how good or bad you are. Luck is the only factor in this market.

Don't believe me? Search "The Invisible Dragon." Dude is rolling in more dosh than all of us.

Anyway, unless the offer is from a legit publisher, it's usually not a good contract.

 

[PancakesWitch]

I have a hard time believing people over the internet without them providing proof, especially when they go against established knowledge that is backed with evidence. So excuse me if I don't believe anything that someone says over the internet for face value without knowing the person.



From this previous comment, I assumed you didn't even read your own contract or, more likely, were offered a unique one. That is what I was interested in.



You do you. But many people here would not want to sign off on that point. There is nothing wrong if you consider your books as just work to earn money and don't mind giving away rights over them. It is perfectly fine, but many people don't feel right about that.



Of course. That is basic knowledge, and here comes why most people call it a slave contract. Many authors struggle with writing even 1k worded chapters per week, not to mention per day. I checked some of your works, so from a quick glance, you perfected the way, with 2-3k words per chapter while free and usually 1k chapters when it turns into the premium. Assuming that your locked chapters are all around 1k words (the ones I checked were all barely above 1k), and to make it work, you need to pump them out daily, which is what many others call a slave contract.

Tl;dr: someone just can't do it, and now they signed over all the rights to their novel and don't even get paid. I think you must agree with me that for those people, this is a loss-loss situation.

I am not attacking you here, nor your work ethic. Okay? As someone who writes daily chapters, I am more than aware of what it means, so relax there. I just need proof before I go, "Yeah, that's right."

But once again, you are not giving me anything, so I went and checked for myself.

• Your Patreon earns you 310$ per month.
• You have 8136 chapters that are locked behind payment.

One chapter of yours averages around 26 coins to unlock a premium chapter. As WN obscures what the coin per dollar conversion is, I can't figure out a correct rate, and I am also too lazy for that. Let's say one chapter earns you 1 dollar.

Then yeah, I can see you earning a passive income. Maybe not 8136$ per month; let's be generous and halve it. That is still 4069$ (nice) dollars, which, yes, is a good chunk of cha-ching.

See? It isn't hard to convince me if there is proof provided. But I am not going just to accept someone's word for it, especially when it's thrown out vaguely.

you seem very weirdly and creepily invested on how muhc i earn, i dont know why you care so much, but okay, sure dude, let's talk about how much i earn... for your own amusement, because you keep insisting.
my patreon doesnt earn me $310 per month, it is at least five? times that for now.
my webnovel income varies from the 4k to 6k usually
i won't provide you with more "proof" because i dont really have anything to earn from it and you're just some creepy random in the internet
so anyways, bye

 

[HungrySheep]

you seem very weirdly and creepily invested on how muhc i earn, i dont know why you care so much, but okay, sure dude, let's talk about how much i earn... for your own amusement, because you keep insisting.
my patreon doesnt earn me $310 per month, it is at least five? times that for now.
my webnovel income varies from the 4k to 6k usually
i won't provide you with more "proof" because i dont really have anything to earn from it and you're just some creepy random in the internet
so anyways, bye

Likely because you claimed that you make—and I quote—"thousands there with ease" while also mentioning that you can achieve this with a minimum of 3 chapters a week. This just doesn't sound believable at all, ESPECIALLY after I checked out a few of your novels.

I won't comment on the writing quality because I don't think it's my place to do so, but the chapter length was NOT what I expected for someone claiming that they make THOUSANDS "with ease" and only publish a minimum of 3 chapters a day. I'm not sure what the word count on the first chapter of "Epic of Ice Dragon" is, but it definitely isn't over 1000 and that's being generous. If the pay is THAT good for <1000 word chapters daily, EVERYONE would be on this grind.

Hell, I would be on this grind. I'm sorry, but no job pays this well for that little amount of work. If this is somehow true, I'd sell all my shit and my soul to Webnovel, they can take my crap for all I care if they're paying me $6k a month for <1000 word isekai litrpg reincarnation reborn chapters bro.

Edit: Looked at your newest novel too, and the chapter lengths seem longer, but nothing over 1.5k. I don't remember if they still do referral bonuses on Webnovel, but show me a 4k or even a 2k stub for these chapter lengths and I'll put you as my referrer. I could churn this type of thing out in minutes.

then there is this:

Aaaaaand there is so much more.

I'd like to see your contract if possible to compare. Of course, censor your private information first if you decide to indulge us, and let us see the contract that brings in "thousands" easily and what terms you are being subjugated to.

I don't think the contract details matter more than the payment statements, honestly. If it pays that much, I would just write LitRPG for the Webnovel contract and then write what I actually enjoy outside of it. They contract per novel, so they can't stop me from writing other things as long as I continue updating the contracted novel. Which I will, because it's not hard even if I hate it.

 

[PancakesWitch]

Likely because you claimed that you make—and I quote—"thousands there with ease" while also mentioning that you can achieve this with a minimum of 3 chapters a week. This just doesn't sound believable at all, ESPECIALLY after I checked out a few of your novels.

I won't comment on the writing quality because I don't think it's my place to do so, but the chapter length was NOT what I expected for someone claiming that they make THOUSANDS "with ease" and only publish a minimum of 3 chapters a day. I'm not sure what the word count on the first chapter of "Epic of Ice Dragon" is, but it definitely isn't over 1000 and that's being generous. If the pay is THAT good for <1000 word chapters daily, EVERYONE would be on this grind.

Hell, I would be on this grind. I'm sorry, but no job pays this well for that little amount of work. If this is somehow true, I'd sell all my shit and my soul to Webnovel, they can take my crap for all I care if they're paying me $6k a month for <1000 word isekai litrpg reincarnation reborn chapters bro.

Edit: Looked at your newest novel too, and the chapter lengths seem longer, but nothing over 1.5k. I don't remember if they still do referral bonuses on Webnovel, but show me a 4k or even a 2k stub for these chapter lengths and I'll put you as my referrer. I could churn this type of thing out in minutes.

I don't think the contract details matter more than the payment statements, honestly. If it pays that much, I would just write LitRPG for the Webnovel contract and then write what I actually enjoy outside of it. They contract per novel, so they can't stop me from writing other things as long as I continue updating the contracted novel. Which I will, because it's not hard even if I hate it.

 

[HungrySheep]

Bluff called, my guy. Like I said, anyone would do this if it paid this well. Why would anyone work if they could just write 1.5k word chapters for quadruple the pay?

 

[PancakesWitch]

Bluff called, my guy. Like I said, anyone would do this if it paid this well. Why would anyone work if they could just write 1.5k word chapters for quadruple the pay?

i think i have enough money to live the rest of my life if i stopped writing right now, i am just clinically obssesed with writing and can't stop (dont do this)

 

[HungrySheep]

i think i have enough money to live the rest of my life if i stopped writing right now, i am just clinically obssesed with writing and can't stop (dont do this)

I am sure you do. Jobs wouldn't exist if this was real because no one would work at some yee-yee ass company if it was. I won't deny that you make decent cash from Patreon despite their cuts, but I have NEVER heard anyone make that much from Webnovel. Even the top writers on the power ranking don't make that much, so I just had to call you out. Sorry about that.

 

[PancakesWitch]

I am sure you do. Jobs wouldn't exist if this was real because no one would work at some yee-yee ass company if it was. I won't deny that you make decent cash from Patreon despite their cuts, but I have NEVER heard anyone make that much from Webnovel. Even the top writers on the power ranking don't make that much, so I just had to call you out. Sorry about that.

You've heard quite wrong the top writers i've talked about make hundreds of thousands. At least the top 10? they make between 50k to 200k a month, they earn ridiculous amounts. The page has some rankings, the tendring rank is usually how much everyone earns ranked. But well, its up to you to believe it or not, its not like it will change how things are. I will stop answering from now because it feels like you dont want to engage on a normal conversation and seem very angry, like angry baby.

 

[HungrySheep]

You've heard quite wrong the top writers i've talked about make hundreds of thousands. At least the top 10? they make between 50k to 200k a month, they earn ridiculous amounts. The page has some rankings, the tendring rank is usually how much everyone earns ranked. But well, its up to you to believe it or not, its not like it will change how things are. I will stop answering from now because it feels like you dont want to engage on a normal conversation and seem very angry, like angry baby.

Excellent ad hominem, but I'm afraid that I've actually spoken to some in the Discord and they definitely do not make 50k to 200k a month. That doesn't even seem realistic off the coin conversion rate compared to the number of readers. 200k a month is more than what some executives make in Fortune 500 companies and the maximum/most generous estimates for the top ranking webnovelists across the board (not just Webnovel) is around 120k a year with few outliers.

I don't think even the authors on Qidian in China are making 200k USD a month. That number is just straight up misinformation.

 

[Corty]

my patreon doesnt earn me $310 per month, it is at least five? times that for now.

This is why I think you are fudging the numbers.

You don't even know your own patreon income? Yes, I incorrectly wrote the numbers and you can't even correct me correctly? wow.

You have 307 subscribers now. Only one tier that's 10$. That's 3070$

Now if you say you only get 1500ish per month then that means half are not paying members but peeps who follow your page.

all-in-all

I am not obsessed with you, but I do have a problem with assumed liars and I like to confront them on their bullshit.

Do I believe you make a living from writing?
Yes.

Do I believe you make as much as you say?
Not at all.

I don't know why you feel compelled to fudge your own numbers when you are already successful.

Seeing that it is impossible to have competent conversation with you where you could easily prove me wrong and show many people here to start exploiting WN contracts and earn a living…

I will leave it at that. You could have helped many people who struggle with living finances by telling them how to earn at least half what you do. But no, that is too much.

Don't worry, I won't quote you anymore, I lost interest as you are clearly unable to reply coherently.

 

[HungrySheep]

This is why I think you are fudging the numbers.

You don't even know your own patreon income? Yes, I incorrectly wrote the numbers and you can't even correct me correctly? wow.

You have 307 subscribers now. Only one tier that's 10$. That's 3070$

Now if you say you only get 1500ish per month then that means half are not paying members but peeps who follow your page.

all-in-all

I am not obsessed with you, but I do have a problem with assumed liars and I like to confront them on their bullshit.

Do I believe you make a living from writing?
Yes.

Do I believe you make as much as you say?
Not at all.

I don't know why you feel compelled to fudge your own numbers when you are already successful.

Seeing that it is impossible to have competent conversation with you where you could easily prove me wrong and show many people here to start exploiting WN contracts and earn a living…

I will leave it at that. You could have helped many people who struggle with living finances by telling them how to earn at least half what you do. But no, that is too much.

Don't worry, I won't quote you anymore, I lost interest as you are clearly unable to reply coherently.

It's 189 paid on my screen.

 

[Mortrexo]

I think that for someone who has uploaded more than 10 novels, with each novel having 900 chapters, PancakesWitch has a lot of credibility. https://www.webnovel.com/profile/4309325779
While I understand your skepticism toward Webnovel, as I said, it is a work ambit where if your novel does well, you'll gain money. You are also not taking into account that there is a "tipping" culture in Webnovel, where the readers can send "gifts" to their favorite authors.
Both methods are fine, and I'm a supporter of Patreon more than Webnovel, but Webnovel reaches out to a much larger audience than many other reading pages. So many of the assumptions you've shown are lacking in context.
Now, no one is obligated to believe others. But I would at least listen to what a veteran and top author from a page like Webnovel has to say.

 

[HungrySheep]

I think that for someone who has uploaded more than 10 novels, with each novel having 900 chapters, PancakesWitch has a lot of credibility. https://www.webnovel.com/profile/4309325779
While I understand your skepticism toward Webnovel, as I said, it is a work ambit where if your novel does well, you'll gain money. You are also not taking into account that there is a "tipping" culture in Webnovel, where the readers can send "gifts" to their favorite authors.
Both methods are fine, and I'm a supporter of Patreon more than Webnovel, but Webnovel reaches out to a much larger audience than many other reading pages. So many of the assumptions you've shown are lacking in context.
Now, no one is obligated to believe others. But I would at least listen to what a veteran and top author from a page like Webnovel has to say.

How much do gifts typically net you?

As someone who has grown up like the majority of people in North America, I was taught that you need to go to college, get an education, and find a stable job to support yourself. I hope you can forgive me for being more than a little skeptical of someone saying that it's easy to make nearly triple the average salary of someone who has gone through all of society's hoops and hurdles.

I obviously haven't seen the paid chapters they posted, but the free ones are at most 1000 words if I'm being generous. I've heard that paid chapters on Webnovel must be at least 1.5k words, so unless that's changed, I am being told that you can make almost triple the average salary with around an hour's work per day. Putting that into perspective with the normal workweek (8 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week) and pay, doesn't that seem a little unrealistic?

 

[Kalliel]

Reject contracts, return to Patreon!

 

[Mortrexo]

How much do gifts typically net you?

As someone who has grown up like the majority of people in North America, I was taught that you need to go to college, get an education, and find a stable job to support yourself. I hope you can forgive me for being more than a little skeptical of someone saying that it's easy to make nearly triple the average salary of someone who has gone through all of society's hoops and hurdles.

I obviously haven't seen the paid chapters they posted, but the free ones are at most 1000 words if I'm being generous. I've heard that paid chapters on Webnovel must be at least 1.5k words, so unless that's changed, I am being told that you can make almost triple the average salary with around an hour's work per day. Putting that into perspective with the normal workweek (8 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week) and pay, doesn't that seem a little unrealistic?

You completely missed the point. Who said that you only need an hour of work daily? The reason Pankeswitch makes so much is because she uploads 10 chapters DAILY. She is another kind of breed of human being.
What I'm saying is that if your story is not doing well in other places but it lands on Webnovel, it's okay to take the contract. To create a daily, interesting novel with at least 2000 words for every chapter, you need dedication, and just one hour won't do.
Also, your example is moot, as a football player probably trains 8 hours a day and gains as much in a year as a person will gain in their entire lifetime. Writing novels is in the entertainment industry, and here, the important thing is not "how many hours" I spend doing something. But if that same something "gets popular." And Webnovel, with their promotions and competitions, does a good job at that.

Moreover, if you are contracted, the novel will be promoted by Webnovel, and you'll reach a broader reader base, which in turn will allow you to get out in the eye more, have more views, and have more income.

So, instead of the average person gaining 200$ in Patreon monthly, maybe being contracted will give them a better chance. And if you are able to pump chapters like Pankeswitch does, and create 10 chapters DAILY, by pure math and quantity of chapters, you'll make more on Webnovel than on Patreon.

TLDR: Webnovel contracts are good if your novel is not doing well or if your Patreon is not popular. After all, when you are publishing a book with an "editorial" in an "exclusive" contract, they'll help you promote it, because it is in THEIR interest that your novel does well and gains them money.