"Gold-Digging thots" in novels/webtoons

[CupcakeNinja]

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"this is why i hate the most. if u want to live a happy life..no, easy life then u should do that on the beginning girl, its like u want to humiliate your previous boyfriend by sleeping another man before u broke up or something.. MC is respectful person that didnt u yet ,but still do it to another man easily ,hays.. shameless woman, no ,slut would be best to describe u that woman. grrr ,,i hole the mc dont become playboy that will hurt other woman..dont worry mc ,u ll find a woman that wont betray u.. not a gold digger"

nigga shut the fuck up, there ain't nothing wrong with a girl wanting better in life than some pathetic loser with a dead end job who lives in a shitty apartment.

....Anyway the point of this thread is to have a fair discussion about supposed gold diggers in stories. I mean don't you think a lot of people are just biased and unreasonable when it comes to these situations where the woman cheats on the MC with a richer dude? Like "oh no this girl wants better in life than to be with some poor loser who doesnt make an effort to better himself...she must be a bitch! shameless whore! How dare she want a good life for herself!"

Like, what? Yeah some of these women ARE just gold diggers and often times they act like such stuck-up bitches to the MC....being real cunts for no reason. But come on. Not every case is like that, yet every single person in the comments still treat it as if its the same every time.

" A one bedroom apartment with a broken toilet isn't good enough for her? Hmph, what a gold-digging bitch!"

Lets be real here: Who among you wants to get married to some broke nigga with zero interest in improving themselves and no future plans to speak of? Be honest now. EDIT: It was pointed out to me, so I'm adding this, but if you're fine with that sort of situation and care more about love or whatever, more power to you. But don't push your values onto other people. They have a right to pursue what they want in life. They have their own values, too. END EDIT.

Again, yes, sometimes the GF is a cunt about it. But even then they have a good point.

So hate on their rotten personalities. Not their desire to not want better out of life than some broke ass loser who needs a literal godly miracle (genius system, OP artifact, miraculous encounter, etc...) to stop being a worthless pile of unambitious dung.

 

[LotsChrono]

Yup. This is a very prominent thing in wuxia and Chinese web novels especially. Every corner there’s a girl who doesn’t love the Mc just for who they are or what they have and it always makes me think, “Alright. Why don’t you try to better yourself? Like, just a little bit?”

And then when he does better himself, and the girl noticed and tries to get back, they act like she’s a whore for it.

Like you said, the vast majority of them are treated and shown to be entirely vain, don’t get me wrong, but some of them really do have good points.

I’m sorry but no one wants to date a complete loser who makes no effort at all. I wouldn’t. Though, another unrealistic aspect is thinking that just because the dude betters himself and his status, the girl will come running back. I don’t know, it’ll be interesting to find a story where the girl remains away from the Mc and is happy and content with her choice/life.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Maybe it's more about hating the two-faced society? Like when they say that your personality is much more important, yet everyone goes after either good looks or money. It's how everyone around us tries to cultivate good qualities in us, thus 'good' characters are usually broke, or isn't as pretty. Because they have dreams, kindness, and so on. While 'bad' characters are always those who worked for their whole life on earning money. Because money isn't happiness. Yeah, but you are buying happiness for money.
Though I don't understand hating a character in a novel who wasn't cheating but broke up with a poor person before going after the rich one. If gold diggers still exist that means, that those who are together with them, accepted their rules.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Yup. This is a very prominent thing in wuxia and Chinese web novels especially. Every corner there’s a girl who doesn’t love the Mc just for who they are or what they have and it always makes me think, “Alright. Why don’t you try to better yourself? Like, just a little bit?”

And then when he does better himself, and the girl noticed and tries to get back, they act like she’s a whore for it.

Like you said, the vast majority of them are treated and shown to be entirely vain, don’t get me wrong, but some of them really do have good points.

I’m sorry but no one wants to date a complete loser who makes no effort at all. I wouldn’t. Though, another unrealistic aspect is thinking that just because the dude betters himself and his status, the girl will come running back. I don’t know, it’ll be interesting to find a story where the girl remains away from the Mc and is happy and content with her choice/life.

exactly. Its crazy. Just cuz the girls don't snuggle up to the MC's dick all the time they're treated so harshly. Lol. Some of the women can be bitchy, sure, but don't be mad just cuz the world don't revolve around the MC's cock

 

[ForestDweller]

Everyone knows the ideal waifu is the slave waifus you often find in isekai. Hell, look at Shield Hero and Rapthalia. Top tier waifu right there.

 

[Angry_Clown]

better in life

Sure, people can seek "better life". Didn't stop the prospective "gold-digger" from snuggling up to the dick of theoretical

loser with a dead end job who lives in a shitty apartment

in the first place, did it? Be honest, do you really want to spend your precious time on a worthless whore whose only value lies between her legs and that will eagerly jump on another dick for the most minuscule advantage in life?

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Maybe it's more about hating the two-faced society? Like when they say that your personality is much more important, yet everyone goes after either good looks or money. It's how everyone around us tries to cultivate good qualities in us, thus 'good' characters are usually broke, or isn't as pretty. Because they have dreams, kindness, and so on. While 'bad' characters are always those who worked for their whole life on earning money. Because money isn't happiness. Yeah, but you are buying happiness for money.
Though I don't understand hating a character in a novel who wasn't cheating but broke up with a poor person before going after the rich one. If gold diggers still exist that means, that those who are together with them, accepted their rules.

see thats not even two face tho. Personality is just a FACTOR...its not the endgame, see? So are looks, and wealth. Each person has to choose what they're willing to let go in favor of the other when choosing a partner. If personality isn't as important to you as financial security, then fine. Thats all well and good. That's your choice, and its about what you want. I don't have a right to judge.

Cuz Its not wrong for someone to have standards. My whole point is that if they arent being cunts about it, then let them make their choices. They just want whats best for themselves at their core.

Like I said, hate the personality. Not their wants and desire for a better life.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

see thats not even two face tho. Personality is just a FACTOR...its not the endgame, see? So are looks, and wealth. Each person has to choose what they're willing to let go in favor of the other when choosing a partner. If personality isn't as important to you as financial security, then fine. Thats all well and good. That's your choice, and its about what you want. I don't have a right to judge.

Cuz Its not wrong for someone to have standards. My whole point is that if they arent being cunts about it, then let them make their choices. They just want whats best for themselves at their core.

Like I said, hate the personality. Not their wants and desire for a better life.

I do agree that this is just another factor. The problem here MAY be that these factors are falsely diminished. You yourself said, let's be honest who wants to be in a relationship with a poor person? The keywords, be honest. I mean, everyone teaches us that the main factor when you choose a partner should be personality. I don't want to say this word, but it's akin to propaganda.
In fact, many people would rather go after other factors, like wealth or looks. And when someone who is being open about it appears, it irks those who are saying, I am looking for an interesting person while thinking and dreaming of a rich one. At least this is what I think.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Sure, people can seek "better life". Didn't stop the prospective "gold-digger" from snuggling up to the dick of theoretical

in the first place, did it? Be honest, do you really want to spend your precious time on a worthless whore whose only value lies between her legs and that will eagerly jump on another dick for the most minuscule advantage in life?

eh. thats a very specific situation tho. Sure some women are like that. But i don't hate gold diggers for valuing money above other things. I only would hate them if they act like bitches all the time for no reason. You can be a greedy piece of shit, but not ACT like a piece of shit. I wouldn't mind dating gold digger. If i can satisfy their desires, that is. Otherwise, no. Would she still cheat on me with someone richer if given the opportunity despite me being able to satisfy her monetary needs? Maybe. But that's what she wants. I ain't gonna hold that against her. I'd hold the cheating against her, sure, but not the greed.

Then there are women or men who just don't wanna live in poverty with someone. I find those people more reasonable and usually nicer than straight gold diggers.

There's also people who're middle-class but wanna be high-class. Sure you can call those ones the most greedy since they don't have much reason to complain. But again, i cant just say they're in the wrong for having a taste for the finer things in life.


Im a bad person to ask that kinda question tho. Im more open minded than most people. I hold actions and words against people, not their desires for things in life. If i couldn't support their spending, then no i wouldn't waste my time on them. It'd be a waste of their time too, even.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Everyone knows the ideal waifu is the slave waifus you often find in isekai. Hell, look at Shield Hero and Rapthalia. Top tier waifu right there.

Brooooo look at this

Spoiler: Nsfw

 

[Angry_Clown]

Sure, people can seek "better life".

Woodja?

by sleeping another man before u broke up or something

The message you "quote" in the op refers to a very specific behaviour for which the character is hated, however. Since you approve judging people on their actions, what's exactly wrong with it? That person did exactly that.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

I do agree that this is just another factor. The problem here MAY be that these factors are falsely diminished. You yourself said, let's be honest who wants to be in a relationship with a poor person? The keywords, be honest. I mean, everyone teaches us that the main factor when you choose a partner should be personality. I don't want to say this word, but it's akin to propaganda.
In fact, many people would rather go after other factors, like wealth or looks. And when someone who is being open about it appears, it irks those who are saying, I am looking for an interesting person while thinking and dreaming of a rich one. At least this is what I think.

Yeah but that's bullshit. No one has the right to tell people what they should look for in a partner.

And yes I said that. And that's a fair question I made. But I will admit that the only things that matter is what each individual person values.

I should've been more clear. Cuz most people wont want a poor partner. But some people wouldnt mind that.

The point of that question wasnt to say people would never accept that kind of down on their luck person as a partner.

The point was to say people are unreasonable if they hate on a person for wanting better.

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[CupcakeNinja]

Woodja?



The message you "quote" in the op refers to a very specific behaviour for which the character is hated, however. Since you approve judging people on their actions, what's exactly wrong with it? That person did exactly that.

What's wrong is that the character wasnt like that at all. She and the MC had already broken up and there was no evidence of cheating even implied.

He just assumed shit on his own due to bias. And maybe you can say I'm biased too for assuming she DIDN'T cheat...but that's not bad since there was never evidence for it to begin with. If there was, I wouldnt be able to say anything unless I'm being stupidly unreasonable.

Originally i wrote about the situation specifically to show you exactly what went on and how that person hating on her was in the wrong but decided to take it out cuz it kinda made the post too long

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Yeah but that's bullshit. No one has the right to tell people what they should look for in a partner.

And yes I said that. And that's a fair question I made. But I will admit that the only things that matter is what each individual person values.

I should've been more clear. Cuz most people wont want a poor partner. But some people wouldnt mind that.

The point of that question wasnt to say people would never accept that kind of down on their luck person as a partner.

The point was to say people are unreasonable if they hate on a person for wanting better.

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With that, I can agree and agreed previously. I don't understand it either, why anyone would hate gold diggers or a person who simply wants a better life. And I've made my point about why it may happen. I was not justifying them, I was talking about the possible root of this problem.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

With that, I can agree and agreed previously. I don't understand it either, why anyone would hate gold diggers or a person who simply wants a better life. And I've made my point about why it may happen. I was not justifying them, I was talking about the possible root of this problem.

Lol yeah I focused on the wrong thing in that reply. But yeah the problem is that for some reapsn being honest with what you want is seen as wrong if what you want doesn't conform to the norm of society. What is taught since childhood.

It's a shame when a person is ragged on simply for having certain values. I've experience that myself. Since my values often start people on arguments, for example. Then again I feel a lot of people who do get offended by my values are kinda stuck up and closed minded conservatives. Jsit cuz they get so damn salty.

 

[Angry_Clown]

She and the MC had already broken up

Well, then that person simply lied and that's it. If the whole argument stems out of a lie, its point is moot in the first place. Gold-digging has nothing to do with it. And even if it did, it's still the behavior that is hated (i.e. perceived cheating), not the mindset. Whether any cheating actually happened or not is another can of worms entirely.

being honest with what you want is seen as wrong if what you want doesn't conform to the norm of society

No shit, Sherlock. If you act outside the norms of the society you live in, you should be prepared to face the disapproval that comes as the consequence of those actions. Don't like it? Well, you're free to leave said society for another, where your mindset is appreciated.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Lol yeah I focused on the wrong thing in that reply. But yeah the problem is that for some reapsn being honest with what you want is seen as wrong if what you want doesn't conform to the norm of society. What is taught since childhood.

It's a shame when a person is ragged on simply for having certain values. I've experience that myself. Since my values often start people on arguments, for example. Then again I feel a lot of people who do get offended by my values are kinda stuck up and closed minded conservatives. Jsit cuz they get so damn salty.

Yes, it is a shame.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Actually, I don't mind gold diggers, after all, there used to be a saying about how Guys are always looking for the best career while Girls are always looking for their ideal half. Note that the career part is important for the guy as they will spend a lot of their limited lifespan on it to strike big and be well to do. This is also the same for girls as well.

So being a gold digger or realist is fine, just don't be a bitch about it with a messy breakup or end the note with cheating. Also, no matter what you do, people will always see the negative side in things, so GG.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Actually, I don't mind gold diggers, after all, there used to be a saying about how Guys are always looking for the best career while Girls are always looking for their ideal half. Note that the career part is important for the guy as they will spend a lot of their limited lifespan on it to strike big and be well to do. This is also the same for girls as well.

So being a gold digger or realist is fine, just don't be a bitch about it with a messy breakup or end the note with cheating. Also, no matter what you do, people will always see the negative side in things, so GG.

Exactly my thoughts on it. Pursue what you want in life, but don't be a total bitch about it. Attitude is everything.

 

[SaddyStorm]

Sure, people can seek "better life". Didn't stop the prospective "gold-digger" from snuggling up to the dick of theoretical

in the first place, did it? Be honest, do you really want to spend your precious time on a worthless whore whose only value lies between her legs and that will eagerly jump on another dick for the most minuscule advantage in life?

I see where your getting at, but on the second point that you put forward as an example clearly puts forth a very low bar on the MC guy, so even a 'minuscule' advantage could be a lot in that case. But yeah, lesson: Don't put too much effort and especially emotional attachment to those of whom you know for sure are just in it to leave you at a moment's notice. Sounds simple enough.