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I was reading a bit... I am wondering there are parts that you write is instead of was. Is your story past or present tense? Because I feel like I get the vibe for both.

Sometimes I write is by mistake, but I actually mean was. So I was wondering if it was intentional or not. There are also a few in the dialogue that goes in the same direction.

Example you used, Stares, and then you say Dante turned instead of turns if you were going for the present. For past you would use stared. :blob_hide: I think you need to watch the tenses you use.

Story-wise... I can't say since it isn't my type of story, but I thought I would help. A bit. I am a beginner too. :blob_aww: I hope I helped.
 

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First of all that is not a prologue that is an infodump. You are putting too much information to be considered an introduction to your story. Another purpose of the prologue is to set the feel for the overall story - yours currently is informing me that I will be reading dry fiction in a form of a history book so to speak.

You can write about the setting in the prologue but that is not the only thing that should be there. You might want to put some foreshadowing to make readers interested, maybe have some different POV to emphasise the main character. or on the opposite- use MC POV to establish the narrative.

Chapter 1 has the tense issue as was noticed, but it also left me conflicted. From one side it looks like you are writing something that tries to approach realistic military fiction, on the other hand, the unit formation felt...extremely railroaded. The drop of formalities, the "oh you are private? congratulations now you are a leader and responsible for the lives of two others. the swearing-in ceremony done at the last possible moment after the roles were already assigned.

All these things sound almost comical to me. They would have worked in a lighthearted comedy novel. But yours doesn't feel like it. The seriousness and dryness of the rest makes it look realism-based and it clashes.

Also - maybe add the emotions a bit earlier. the last part about "Oh btw i am afraid" just comes out of completely nowhere and by that time i already established the MC character in my mind from his previous actions and the fear wasn't even close to anything i imagined.
 

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I was reading a bit... I am wondering there are parts that you write is instead of was. Is your story past or present tense? Because I feel like I get the vibe for both.

Sometimes I write is by mistake, but I actually mean was. So I was wondering if it was intentional or not. There are also a few in the dialogue that goes in the same direction.

Example you used, Stares, and then you say Dante turned instead of turns if you were going for the present. For past you would use stared. :blob_hide: I think you need to watch the tenses you use.

Story-wise... I can't say since it isn't my type of story, but I thought I would help. A bit. I am a beginner too. :blob_aww: I hope I helped.
I agree with your remark. I'm not the best at telling the difference between past tense and present tense. It's a common habit and mistake I make all the time while at the same time thinking it's a natural way to write. I'm autistic, so that's another reason. It does make the writing confusing and weak sometimes. Perhaps, I should get some advice from that point. I appreciate your help, and you're free to help me again if you wish.
First of all that is not a prologue that is an infodump. You are putting too much information to be considered an introduction to your story. Another purpose of the prologue is to set the feel for the overall story - yours currently is informing me that I will be reading dry fiction in a form of a history book so to speak.

You can write about the setting in the prologue but that is not the only thing that should be there. You might want to put some foreshadowing to make readers interested, maybe have some different POV to emphasise the main character. or on the opposite- use MC POV to establish the narrative.

Chapter 1 has the tense issue as was noticed, but it also left me conflicted. From one side it looks like you are writing something that tries to approach realistic military fiction, on the other hand, the unit formation felt...extremely railroaded. The drop of formalities, the "oh you are private? congratulations now you are a leader and responsible for the lives of two others. the swearing-in ceremony done at the last possible moment after the roles were already assigned.

All these things sound almost comical to me. They would have worked in a lighthearted comedy novel. But yours doesn't feel like it. The seriousness and dryness of the rest makes it look realism-based and it clashes.

Also - maybe add the emotions a bit earlier. the last part about "Oh btw i am afraid" just comes out of completely nowhere and by that time i already established the MC character in my mind from his previous actions and the fear wasn't even close to anything i imagined.
I laughed a little after I read your criticism, so excuse me for that. For Chapter 1, I don't intend my story to be comical; I want it to be serious and grim. Despite barely knowing anything about the military, military strategies, and military formations, I tend to be vague, and I just go with the flow, coming up with absurd but reasonable ideas, but I understand what you meant by realistic military fiction, which is what I'm actually going for. To be fair, I'll leave it the way it is for now.

As for the prologue you pointed out, it's not meant to be an info dump but to give a rather brief background detail regarding the setting. And yes, it may look like you're reading a history book, but it isn't; not to be rude here. You see, the setting is basically a stand-in of the Boxer Rebellion, which I'll put a link below to learn more about it as I don't want to make a long explanation. I respect your criticism very much, so thank you for that.

https://www.history.com/topics/china/boxer-rebellion
 
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I wasn't really talking about what it is and what it wasn't. I was writing you the feelings I experienced as a reader (and an editor) reading these two chapters.

But because it isn't meant to be an info dump doesn't make it less so - you are simply stating facts and information and nothing more. It is short but that is all there is which makes it very dry to a reader.

The issue is - your first chapters should be more about advertisement value rather than information value. You need to make new readers interested in your story first. All that information given to me in the prologue isn't helping me to become engrossed in the story. It actually feels like work - as in the "please familiarize yourself with this documentation to possibly enjoy the rest" situation.

What you want to start from is a promise to a reader - a promise for some good reward if they choose to keep reading. a hook to get them engaged.

The rest - I tried to point out the most glaring issues that stood out to me. just as I said - I wasn't totally sure whether you were writing a serious piece or a lighthearted one and that didn't feel right - hence why I pointed why and where I felt that.

Remember - you as a writer is already invested in the story - you know all the upcoming twists and awesome fights. Readers don't. They judge your story based usually on your first chapter (in your case prologue)
 

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I wasn't really talking about what it is and what it wasn't. I was writing you the feelings I experienced as a reader (and an editor) reading these two chapters.

But because it isn't meant to be an info dump doesn't make it less so - you are simply stating facts and information and nothing more. It is short but that is all there is which makes it very dry to a reader.

The issue is - your first chapters should be more about advertisement value rather than information value. You need to make new readers interested in your story first. All that information given to me in the prologue isn't helping me to become engrossed in the story. It actually feels like work - as in the "please familiarize yourself with this documentation to possibly enjoy the rest" situation.

What you want to start from is a promise to a reader - a promise for some good reward if they choose to keep reading. a hook to get them engaged.

The rest - I tried to point out the most glaring issues that stood out to me. just as I said - I wasn't totally sure whether you were writing a serious piece or a lighthearted one and that didn't feel right - hence why I pointed why and where I felt that.

Remember - you as a writer is already invested in the story - you know all the upcoming twists and awesome fights. Readers don't. They judge your story based usually on your first chapter (in your case prologue)
Wow, I strongly agree with your point. I do want to write a serious piece, but it seems to be anything but that. As I said, it's not meant to be read like a documentary; it's meant to be read like fiction, and anything that has to do with fiction means fantasy, worldbuilding, and the like. However, I prefer to keep it as it is for right now unless I have to leave it permanently. Otherwise, it does need some editing to be done and to look perfect eventually, at least. Speaking of you being an editor, would you be interested in editing my story to make it better? I'm not saying that you have to if you want. You don't have to accept my offer.

Again, I appreciate your criticism very much as it helps me to become a better writer in the future. But right now, my writing skill is between a newbie and an intermediate level. My goal is to write my first light novel piece, and I don't want to give up writing again after making several unsuccessful attempts to write one. I can't stress this enough. Anyway, feel free to reply anytime.
 

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Wow, I strongly agree with your point. I do want to write a serious piece, but it seems to be anything but that. As I said, it's not meant to be read like a documentary; it's meant to be read like fiction, and anything that has to do with fiction means fantasy, worldbuilding, and the like. However, I prefer to keep it as it is for right now unless I have to leave it permanently. Otherwise, it does need some editing to be done and to look perfect eventually, at least. Speaking of you being an editor, would you be interested in editing my story to make it better? I'm not saying that you have to if you want. You don't have to accept my offer.

Again, I appreciate your criticism very much as it helps me to become a better writer in the future. But right now, my writing skill is between a newbie and an intermediate level. My goal is to write my first light novel piece, and I don't want to give up writing again after making several unsuccessful attempts to write one. I can't stress this enough. Anyway, feel free to reply anytime.
Don't worry about it. You don't need to implement anything - you asked for feedback and I gave it to you. Whether you use it now or use it in the future (or never use it at all) is totally up to you.
And no, I don't edit anymore (just use the previous experience) - I reply as feedback of the first chapters here often while I procrastinate. But otherwise, I try to spend my time writing my own story.
 

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Don't worry about it. You don't need to implement anything - you asked for feedback and I gave it to you. Whether you use it now or use it in the future (or never use it at all) is totally up to you.
And no, I don't edit anymore (just use the previous experience) - I reply as feedback of the first chapters here often while I procrastinate. But otherwise, I try to spend my time writing my own story.
That's good to hear. I'm trying not to give up on writing again, so I'm trying my best.
 

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In need of advice, would you tell me more about tenses in general and how I can make my writing clearer? I watched some videos about it, but I could hardly understand it. Any help would be appreciated.

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If the story would be about that male private in change - show the reader what he is, who he is. As I mentioned before, show his emotions earlier - allow readers to settle in inside of him so to speak. Make him familiar and use that familiarity to show the fictional through his eyes and thoughts instead of simply telling the reader what is going on around him.
 

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In need of advice, would you tell me more about tenses in general and how I can make my writing clearer? I watched some videos about it, but I could hardly understand it. Any help would be appreciated.

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Okay, the first thing you have to figure out which tense you want the story to be in.

Do you know if you want present or past?

After you figure that out, you need to stick with it.
Examples: Cried, Passed, Loved, Was...
These are past tenses that you can use in a story.
Examples: Cries, Loves, Passes, Is...
These are present tenses.

For me, although I am not an expert writer, I try to avoid using anything that finishes with an s.
Like:

Past tense:
She loved to jump rope, but she also wanted to learn to read a book.
They destined me to love him... But... I couldn't do it.
It killed him to do that.
Example of your writing:

"So does it mean that I don't have to call him 'Private Yosuke' anymore?" Shizuka asked.

Present tense:
She loves to jump rope, but she also wants to learn to read a book.
Destiny says for me to love him, but I can't do it.
It kills him to do that.

Example of your writing:

Date stares at me. "As for you, I already know your name since Shizuka just said yours, so you don't have to tell me."

Whenever you write, try to avoid s ending tenses if you are going for past. Although my story isn't perfect, you can try to read it to see how I do dialogue. I try to keep past tenses in my stories.

The best way to learn is to read and practice. And proofread your work multiple times. Sometimes I still catch a rogue 'is' that escaped my grasp. But usually, I do pretty well in keeping tenses.

Another way is to have someone like a friend to help you too. Do you use Grammarly and ProWritingAid? Sometimes they can help catch your errors.

Hope this helps you! :blob_hide:
 

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If the story would be about that male private in change - show the reader what he is, who he is. As I mentioned before, show his emotions earlier - allow readers to settle in inside of him so to speak. Make him familiar and use that familiarity to show the fictional through his eyes and thoughts instead of simply telling the reader what is going on around him.
That's not what I meant. I meant as in English grammar. I appreciate your advice, though. lol
Okay, the first thing you have to figure out which tense you want the story to be in.

Do you know if you want present or past?

After you figure that out, you need to stick with it.
Examples: Cried, Passed, Loved, Was...
These are past tenses that you can use in a story.
Examples: Cries, Loves, Passes, Is...
These are present tenses.

For me, although I am not an expert writer, I try to avoid using anything that finishes with an s.
Like:

Past tense:
She loved to jump rope, but she also wanted to learn to read a book.
They destined me to love him... But... I couldn't do it.
It killed him to do that.
Example of your writing:

"So does it mean that I don't have to call him 'Private Yosuke' anymore?" Shizuka asked.

Present tense:
She loves to jump rope, but she also wants to learn to read a book.
Destiny says for me to love him, but I can't do it.
It kills him to do that.

Example of your writing:

Date stares at me. "As for you, I already know your name since Shizuka just said yours, so you don't have to tell me."

Whenever you write, try to avoid s ending tenses if you are going for past. Although my story isn't perfect, you can try to read it to see how I do dialogue. I try to keep past tenses in my stories.

The best way to learn is to read and practice. And proofread your work multiple times. Sometimes I still catch a rogue 'is' that escaped my grasp. But usually, I do pretty well in keeping tenses.

Another way is to have someone like a friend to help you too. Do you use Grammarly and ProWritingAid? Sometimes they can help catch your errors.

Hope this helps you! :blob_hide:
Nice. I like your advice very much. I do use Grammarly. I used ProWritingAid before, but it wasn't my cup of tea.
You should read more books.
Will do. I don't want to read too many books, though.
 
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That's not what I meant. I meant as in English grammar. I appreciate your advice, though. lol

Nice. I like your advice very much. I do use Grammarly. I used ProWritingAid before, but it wasn't my cup of tea.

Will do. I don't want to read too many books, though.
I use both of them~ They help me tons! Especially in SH. I don't have to stare at the white screen of ProWritingAid! :blob_happy:
 

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I use both of them~ They help me tons! Especially in SH. I don't have to stare at the white screen of ProWritingAid! :blob_happy:
Cool. I might give ProWritingAid a chance. Did you notice any issues in the prologue of my story regarding tenses?
 

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Cool. I might give ProWritingAid a chance. Did you notice any issues in the prologue of my story regarding tenses?
In the last bit of your prologue, you change from past to present. :blob_popcorn:

'Said alliance is (was) called the Righteous Concord or the Eight-Nation Alliance. From this point on, it'll be (was) known as the Great Siege.

The last bit is also in the present tense, but... Idk if you can get away with it per se. As it may be, the character's thoughts at the moment.

'Now, as of (In the) 1800, I'm(was) fighting for the Yamanagawa Empire, my homeland. This is(was) my story.'

I try to keep inner thoughts past tense too. I don't know about others, but it is what I do.
 

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In the last bit of your prologue, you change from past to present. :blob_popcorn:

'Said alliance is (was) called the Righteous Concord or the Eight-Nation Alliance. From this point on, it'll be (was) known as the Great Siege.

The last bit is also in the present tense, but... Idk if you can get away with it per se. As it may be, the character's thoughts at the moment.

'Now, as of (In the) 1800, I'm(was) fighting for the Yamanagawa Empire, my homeland. This is(was) my story.'

I try to keep inner thoughts past tense too. I don't know about others, but it is what I do.
Do you want me to edit them?
 

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It all depends if you are writing on present or past tenses. Do you know what you want your story to be?
I think I'll go with using the past tense. If you want, you can tell me what to change, and I'll edit it from there. Are you okay with that?
 

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I think I'll go with using the past tense. If you want, you can tell me what to change, and I'll edit it from there. Are you okay with that?
Well, hm... I guess I could help you catch the tense errors you have, but only in chapter 1.
One way to do it too is to use a search engine in Word if you use it that is, I am not sure about google doc. But in Word, you can search for singular words like Is, or do.
Might take me a bit but I will point out your tenses in chapter 1 since I already did that in your prologue. :blob_happy: I'll DM you with the things I catch.
 
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