Dark Fantasy with arcane secret societies and Cults... would love some feedback!

ScribeOfAyn

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So, I'm working on this series of novels based in the modern(ish) world with a twist – an entire secret arcane world exists in the shadows influencing the world in many ways. Political metaphors, philosphical discussions, high stakes action sequences (obviously), and a large roster of interesting characters. Ki-charged magic, classical spells, and elemental manipulation all are used to create what I believe is a hard magic system (although I could be wrong).

So anyways, I would love some feedback. Is the story to your liking, could you follow along or dropped it after reading the 1st passage? Any suggestions for improvements or any ideas on how you might think the story could improve would be appreciated...

Thanks...

 

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Oh heya, I have read the first chapter of your work! On a personal note, I enjoy conspiracies, the first two chapters seem to be the buildup for the main character and setting the background for the story, so instead of going into depth, I'll give you some initial impressions instead!

The setting of the story mashes up a lot of things from different cultures. I haven't read far enough to see how it all shakes out, though my gut feeling is that it gives me an odd feeling! It is like a patchwork of things that should not come together have come together! (laugh) For example, the very first line introduces the names "Petrichor" and "Pollux", which are decidedly Greek terms, and slot them into "Ancient Egypt", which threw my mind for a loop. Those two things seemed like they didn't go together too well, even if you consider later Greek influence! (i.e why are they at court if they are foreigners...) The main magic system (Ki) has an eastern culture naming, which fits into how the secret assassin group operates with Japanese naming, and is yet another strange building block in the puzzle. That one I can accept better because bounty hunters/assassins go with the idea of 'ninjas'. My way of fitting it in was that it plays into the conspiracy theory of "History is fabricated", but I am quite sure that is not the author's intention! Names have meaning, especially for those in the know! The backstory feels a little shaky because of the mismatched elements. I am unsure how to fit this well, except that perhaps it could be part of myth that has pass through so many lips that people might have gotten it wrong or merged names and organizations together over time?

Another part of the story I notice is that it is told through the voice of an 'observer' outside the story. Perhaps like someone who is recording down history, hence your name! One thing I note in your writing style is that you tend to write things as if they are spoken out of "rumors" and secrets. The purpose is to hype the characters up by shrouding them in mystery, but it didn't really reach that effect with me...

The reason is that it starts making me confused because I am not sure what to believe anymore? For example, the part about the White Bolt knowing Dark Ki is shrouded in mystery, but it doesn't have any immediate consequence or payoff, it feel like an island in the midst of many spooky tidbits scattered around the story. I think that sometimes you can 'direct' the reader by slipping in 'the truth' amongst the rumors, and if you do it consistently, readers will pick up on it and it leads them to think about the story rather than have to be told "Guy A is awesome because of this special ability/feat he has", which feels less impressive because it is read like second-hand information!

Finally, the importance of the cult's evil isn't really stated well, despite being the bad guys. I have no idea what side I am supposed to be cheering for because the secretive people don't feel like they are good people to me either if they are constantly backstabbing each other? I think that the evil they do that continues into current times could be stated or emphasized a whole lot more to distinguish them. Basically secret societies are all squabbling on a mountain of mud, but I have a hard time getting behind 'good guys' whose organization name is literally "The Eye"! Once again, names have meaning, the eye is usually a symbol of evil and surveillance, if this is inverted somehow there must be a good reason!

What I won't say is that it is a bad concept though; It feels like the story is taking a lot of elements in the periphery of conspiracy and culture and putting them together, which I think is what every good story does. I think you could do a lot more work on the symbolism of objects in the story, the disparate elements would click together a lot better if they had an underlying layer of 'meaning'!
 
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ScribeOfAyn

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Oh heya, I have read the first chapter of your work! On a personal note, I enjoy conspiracies, the first two chapters seem to be the buildup for the main character and setting the background for the story, so instead of going into depth, I'll give you some initial impressions instead!

The setting of the story mashes up a lot of things from different cultures. I haven't read far enough to see how it all shakes out, though my gut feeling is that it gives me an odd feeling! It is like a patchwork of things that should not come together have come together! (laugh) For example, the very first line introduces the names "Petrichor" and "Pollux", which are decidedly Greek terms, and slot them into "Ancient Egypt", which threw my mind for a loop. Those two things seemed like they didn't go together too well, even if you consider later Greek influence! (i.e why are they at court if they are foreigners...) The main magic system (Ki) has an eastern culture naming, which fits into how the secret assassin group operates with Japanese naming, and is yet another strange building block in the puzzle. That one I can accept better because bounty hunters/assassins go with the idea of 'ninjas'. My way of fitting it in was that it plays into the conspiracy theory of "History is fabricated", but I am quite sure that is not the author's intention! Names have meaning, especially for those in the know! The backstory feels a little shaky because of the mismatched elements. I am unsure how to fit this well, except that perhaps it could be part of myth that has pass through so many lips that people might have gotten it wrong or merged names and organizations together over time?

Another part of the story I notice is that it is told through the voice of an 'observer' outside the story. Perhaps like someone who is recording down history, hence your name! One thing I note in your writing style is that you tend to write things as if they are spoken out of "rumors" and secrets. The purpose is to hype the characters up by shrouding them in mystery, but it didn't really reach that effect with me...

The reason is that it starts making me confused because I am not sure what to believe anymore? For example, the part about the White Bolt knowing Dark Ki is shrouded in mystery, but it doesn't have any immediate consequence or payoff, it feel like an island in the midst of many spooky tidbits scattered around the story. I think that sometimes you can 'direct' the reader by slipping in 'the truth' amongst the rumors, and if you do it consistently, readers will pick up on it and it leads them to think about the story rather than have to be told "Guy A is awesome because of this special ability/feat he has", which feels less impressive because it is read like second-hand information!

Finally, the importance of the cult's evil isn't really stated well, despite being the bad guys. I have no idea what side I am supposed to be cheering for because the secretive people don't feel like they are good people to me either if they are constantly backstabbing each other? I think that the evil they do that continues into current times could be stated or emphasized a whole lot more to distinguish them. Basically secret societies are all squabbling on a mountain of mud, but I have a hard time getting behind 'good guys' whose organization name is literally "The Eye"! Once again, names have meaning, the eye is usually a symbol of evil and surveillance, if this is inverted somehow there must be a good reason!

What I won't say is that it is a bad concept though; It feels like the story is taking a lot of elements in the periphery of conspiracy and culture and putting them together, which I think is what every good story does. I think you could do a lot more work on the symbolism of objects in the story, the disparate elements would click together a lot better if they had an underlying layer of 'meaning'!
Thanks for the detailed insight.
The fabrication of history and mixed/misplaced stuff is kind of one of the main themes.
But i wanna ask - let's say Ki is an eastern concept in our (real) world, must it also be that in a fantasy world? Although i understand that the story is supposed to be in a world that resembles ours... but still. I would love to know your opinion on that.
As for the "good guys" are concerned... i have tried, i don't know if successfully or unsuccessfully, to show that every organization/cult/society has its wrongdoings but there are good people everywhere as well. By your analysis i feel that point might not have gotten accross.
And again, thankyou so much for the detailed analysis! Helps a lot :)
 

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Thanks for the detailed insight.
The fabrication of history and mixed/misplaced stuff is kind of one of the main themes.
But i wanna ask - let's say Ki is an eastern concept in our (real) world, must it also be that in a fantasy world? Although i understand that the story is supposed to be in a world that resembles ours... but still. I would love to know your opinion on that.
As for the "good guys" are concerned... i have tried, i don't know if successfully or unsuccessfully, to show that every organization/cult/society has its wrongdoings but there are good people everywhere as well. By your analysis i feel that point might not have gotten accross.
And again, thankyou so much for the detailed analysis! Helps a lot :)

Ah, that's a good question! From the author's side, no, I don't think there should be any restrictions in how the author customizes the systems. That's how you get fun things like "being a gigachad increases your cultivation level". I think it more affects reader's expectations because the reader will relate to those concepts from what they know, and not what the author knows!

For example, in the video game NIKKE, there's a group of characters themed around fairy tales, and one of those characters is named "Dorothy". If you are in the know, the reader's mind will link it back to the fairy tale story of 'Dorothy' and "The Wizard of Oz". The themes of the NIKKE Dorothy also play in the same space as in 'The Wizard of Oz', namely the theme of an intense longing for home. By doing this, the reader forms a connection with the work by relating back to what they already know in "Wizard of Oz", and appreciates Dorothy's journey easier because they already 'get' the connection!

On Ki being non-Eastern, I think I would ask the author the same question as well: What would you hope the reader relate to when using the "Ki" system? Reader's minds may not snap immediately to 'Dragonball', or 'Demon Hunter' but it is large in the mind! The word Ki is also directly related to the character '气', which is the concept of breathing/aura, so it is quite difficult to shake off that association, since many concepts derive from this same root word too! (Haki, Reiki, etc...) I think that if you refine the concept in a concrete direction of what it represents, the name of the system and what it represents will improve naturally!
 
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