[closed] SHF High School : Prequel Timelines

[TheMonotonePuppet]

Translation:
Edited for grammar and ease of reading/understanding what on the Stars above Raymann is saying -

Imagine there was a normal school before the Scribble Hub High School. This is what we wish to call the "original prime timeline."
The beginning of everything wacky and fantastical resulted from the arrival of a foreign entity, an akuma

Spoiler: According to Wikipedia:

an akuma is often depicted as a demon or a devil, and is often a harbinger of misfortune, someone unknown attracted by the potential of the people there. Once Christianity was introduced to Japan, it became the accepted translation of Satan

which wants to consume and feed on their desires. And so, the unknown slowly began to experiment, giving everyone abilities, as well as everything else they desired.

In return, (this is where it gets unclear, but given a later sentence, I believe this is the intention) the unknown has destroyed everything in the end time and time again. They (the singular 'they' exists. It can be used for unidentified gender, among other things) allowed the creation of spin-off timelines based off of the whims of their powered-up students of multiverse while being in shadows.

They have enjoyed the stories and slaughter, each time ending everything in a spectacular display of despair.

But then they began to get bored or say missing something... They wanted to be a part of this... They wanted to "exist"!

Out of curiosity, or rather, out of over-confidence, they created a "prequel timeline" and this time they decided to show themself. And the chaos which ensued resulted in them being punished for their hubris, resulted in the redaction of Raymann and the multiverse.

Now, they have an anomalous nature. With the imposter getting a seat at Chair 0 of the Scribble Hub High School, in return for a binding promise (with whom? Presumably with the rest of the students), they will not spread despair & destruction. Instead, they will act as a normal character.

After every branch of the timeline crumbled and collapsed into a mess of one timeline

Spoiler: P.S.

this section is changed to explain better how there are multiple impostors, though I don't know if this is exactly how Raymann intended for it to work

, the present SHHS came into being. This resulted in multiple versions of the imposter, now the title for the anomalous one.

So if you break your promise and say Raymann exists, or interact with her in any way, they, in all of their many forms, will come and wipe everything to 0. They are legion, variable and inevitable.

That is why, in order to win, you need to kill the imposter before they began. This is in the seemingly unreachable "original timeline", with only one impostor.

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The beginning of everything wacky and fantastical resulted from the arrival of a foreign entity,
And so, the unknown slowly began to experiment, giving everyone abilities, as well as everything else they desired.
In return, the unknown has destroyed everything in the end time and time again.
As they/he/she/it have infinite versions each existing in every multiverse created afterwards
I can stand Azure's OP-ness. Despite many flaws, there are ways to circumvent it. There are meant to be ways to circumvent it, because then any and all conflict becomes meaningless and less impactual. If she decides to add more in a way that renders any conflict or interaction with her pointless and inevitably leading to one conclusion, I will react the same!
I will not treat this as canon though! @Corty may, everyone else may, but I certainly will not!
This contradicts waaay too much!
@Prince_Azmiran_Myrian would never be related to Satan!
And you are not the origin story for most of us. Just off the top of my head, @RepresentingEnvy , mine, @quagma 's, @HelloHound (she is literally from hell...), @ElliePorter , @Anon2024 , etc. I could on and on, but I am sure you get the gist!

 

[Raymann]

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[Corty]

 

[HelloHound]

[USER=83086]@HelloHound[/USER] (she is literally from hell...)

a little one yes

 

[TheMonotonePuppet]

I guess I will sit down and eat popcorn.
Ray route is very interesting, but it requires a lot of work.

Personally, I refuse to acknowledge its bearing on anyone's narrative.
Such an end-all-be-all in terms of power is the crusher of imagination, the ender of entertainment.
There is no character development. And it lessens the impact of everything story-wise.
This will make the SH universe end up like Marvel's multiverse and multiple timelines. And that did not end well.
Raymann did not even ask permission for such an enormous change.

 

[Raymann]

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[Conqueror_Quack]

choas

Typo

 

[Raymann]

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[TheMonotonePuppet]

Here as the prequel timelines are redacted ones, "he" is used to show singular nature of imposter. It doesn't imply gender.

Basically "he/she" became they.

Fixed.

Before prequel timeline, imposter was a singular entity, who was a passive observer granting powers and changes in timelines, and spreading despair.

This is too much.
You cannot grant our powers. Our powers came from different sources than you, because we all have different origins than you. If you were the sole author, this would be ok.
But this cannot be canon fact.
I refuse.
I don't even want it as a myth.

About op ness.
Well I don't possess any powers, the imposter/legion of imposters does. I don't even exist after prequel timeline. Only in dreams and as halluanations.

You are still OP by proxy. In fact, you are too OP...
And we have @Azure_Fog in this story!!!
The existence of these impostors are also a problem. They flat-out don't work with @quagma , @SsemouyOnan , @TheEldritchGod , me (it is literally in my story "The Red Marionette" that I am the first of my kind, and I do not exist in any other timelines.
While you don't, the impostor/legion of impostors do, and the way they do infringes on the nature of the story.
There are small contradictions...
And then there is this. *gestures concernedly to the whole mess*

One thing I noticed which I am not able to clearify yet that "by recognise or remembering as some" me doesn't make me exist in that timeline.
It just makes imposters/imposter angry.

I understand that, but there is power by proxy. If these impostors get angry, it will ruin the direction of the story.

For those who want to kill me, I don't exist. I already died(redacted) at end of prequel timeline.
You can dream about me, nothing much.

This is ok.

Don't worry about that.
I am sure it won't back fire.??

I completely disagree. I am calling it now, if you don't change this BIG-TIME, this will backfire so badly, it will kill the story. It is already killing my interest in Scribble Hub High School.

Please. Please change it.

I am begging you.

"End-all-be-all" when did I said that.

End-all-be-all just means that your collection of impostors are an inevitable, unstoppable force.
If they were stopped, Not only that, it automatically makes the characters we have made and cared for less-unique,

"Councli of Imposters" do not destroy everything. They just redacted timelines in which they get conclusive evidence that they are planning to revive me.

But I like this timeline. And timeline ending by Council of Impostors will ruin all of the arcs we have cooking in the oven.

Have you heard the Ship of Theseus problem?
Well, clones are a related problem.
If they redact this timeline, and we recreate this timeline, then are we really us?
The answer is a solid "No." Most readers will agree with that.

You can joke "do you know urban myth of zero seat?' or "myth of ray, the girl who committed suicide" that won't Tigger imposters invasion.

There is no powers as Ray maeno has none. She is not op just cursed and doesn't exist in current timelines.

Just because you don't have powers, it doesn't mean that the collective of impostors don't. And they are a problem.

 

[Azure_Fog]

Oh boy... things to prove, things to disprove, and oh so many problems. I have my own grievances but I'll voice them at the end.

You have to write original timeline
and
collect all or more powerful abilities than what you currently possess form outside sources while making sure you do not make more timelines, that would allow imposter to copy them,
then travel to original timeline and kill the imposter demon by where he is most powerful;(basically own every ability)

this all has nothing to do with prequel timelines.

Original timeline ---> The first multiverse(spin off verse) ----> Prequel timeline -----> Megaverse ----> the great collapse -----> first iteration of current SHHS ----> Current timeline ---> the extra timeline.

(Long way to travel, basically I burrowed my character in redacted time.. so as long as imposter exist, I cannot.)

Anyways, here's the easy solution:
I drag Seymour back to the past, she uses villainous declaration, and I stab the weakened imposter. Problem's solved.

Spoiler: Longer explanation

Okay, so put simply, I can time travel very, very easily. I am the embodiment of time effectively and space by proxy. So, reaching any timeline I want should be a trivial task, redacted or not. Even if not, I'm confident I could get there eventually considering me stupidly high power level.

As for the Seymour part, let me explain Ssemouy's characters to the best of my ability:
We have minion Ssemouy, the normal one. She acts as a minion to villains and wants to be a background character.
Then, there's Heroine Ssemouy who I have no idea what the hell she does but she's irrelevant here so it doesn't matter.

Finally, Seymour, the villain. She has an ability called Villainous Declaration which, to whomever she calls a heroine, she matches the strength of unconditionally, myself included. There's no restriction on what can be declared a heroine, so we're calling the imposter one.

Villainous declaration has two possible effects: First, it drags Seymour to the level of the heroine. Or, the second option, drags the heroine down to the level of Seymour.

Now, base Seymour isn't very strong martially, and since Villainous Declaration makes the fight fair, now the imposter is super weak too. Thus, I can stab them and they die without being able to protect themselves. The problem, is now solved.

Or I could stab the concept of the imposter but I know you won't take that for the answer and I'm still working on proof as to why.

I can stand Azure's OP-ness. Despite many flaws, there are ways to circumvent it. There are meant to be ways to circumvent it, because then any and all conflict becomes meaningless and less impactual. If she decides to add more in a way that renders any conflict or interaction with her pointless and inevitably leading to one conclusion, I will react the same!
I will not treat this as canon though! @Corty may, everyone else may, but I certainly will not!
This contradicts waaay too much!
@Prince_Azmiran_Myrian would never be related to Satan!
And you are not the origin story for most of us. Just off the top of my head, @RepresentingEnvy , mine, @quagma 's, @HelloHound (she is literally from hell...), @ElliePorter , @Anon2024 , etc. I could on and on, but I am sure you get the gist!

I agree~ Even my origin is ambiguous... since I've been around for way to long... Well, unless school has been in session for way over 10^45 years...

Personally, I refuse to acknowledge its bearing on anyone's narrative.
Such an end-all-be-all in terms of power is the crusher of imagination, the ender of entertainment.
There is no character development. And it lessens the impact of everything story-wise.
This will make the SH universe end up like Marvel's multiverse and multiple timelines. And that did not end well.
Raymann did not even ask permission for such an enormous change.

I refuse it as well~
Also, is it just me, or does this feel like a massive attention grab? I mean, I may be a Mary Sue who wants all the attention, but at least I don't go hijacking the story for it...

Now for some problems:

After every other timeline and multiverse the present SHHS occured with the multiple collapse and spreading. Resulting in multiple versions of imposter.

Okay, that's cool, but, I would have seen all of that. I have the following ability: (source; my character sheet):

Ability: Timeborn
Azure sees the past, present, and future all at the same time and all possible timelines.

You described these as other timelines and multiverses. I can see all of the timelines, which means I would know the collapse, what happened before, what would have happened after, and what was happening. I know the imposter exists (which means I'm getting hunted down, but that's a separate problem)

And the chaos, which happened resulted in a multiverse that got redacted and Ray getting redacted getting anomoulous nature.

Depending on how redaction works, it could be classified as altering the past and thus time travel. I would argue it as such, but that would mean nothing to me because I'm immune to any effects that would have come from it. I would know it changed and how, but I would not be affected.

Ability: Absolute Causality
Azure cannot be affect in any way, shape, or form by adverse effects of time travel and cannot be affected by time travel in any way shape or form unless consent is given to said instance of time travel.

(source: character sheet, again)
Redaction of a timeline or multiverse sure sounds like messing with timelines to me. While I did only specify time travel, I meant time altering effects. You could argue that altering the past isn't time travel if you never travel there, but if you did travel there and do it the effect is the same, so why should Azure not be immune to that?

 

[TheMonotonePuppet]

(source: character sheet, again)
Redaction of a timeline or multiverse sure sounds like messing with timelines to me. While I did only specify time travel, I meant time altering effects. You could argue that altering the past isn't time travel if you never travel there, but if you did travel there and do it the effect is the same, so why should Azure not be immune to that?

Random, but if you are immune to time altering events, wouldn't that mean there is only one you, in all of the universes? I know you mentioned that there were multiples of you due to alternate timelines. But if you are immune to them, then you would be a constant amongst timelines. You can obviously make clones with other powers already. It counts as a time-altering effect...

Also, not going to lie, if you had multiples of you, they would totally try to stab you. It would a very irregular contradiction if someone who is exactly the same as you wouldn't try to see if they could stab their self.

You may not want to make clones or alternate versions...

Otherwise, the logical conclusion is being locked into eternal battle... What if you wanted to destroy a multiverse, and that @Azure_Fog loved to keep universes safe?!

 

[Raymann]

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[Raymann]

@Azure_Fog are you a unique character.

 

[Raymann]

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[quagma]

Point one: quagma is not from this or any other reality, timeline, or multiverse.
Point two: quagma experiences events non-linearly, as both the past and the future are simply the present to them.
point three: they do not truly exist. they are just the personification of numbers, probability, octopus, and physics.
point four: no timeline is off access to them. alternate realities are their literal bread and butter.
point five: you cannot run
point six: you cannot hide
point seven: for santa clause quagma is coming tonight.

taking control of the narrative is not reccomended. for starters, you gotta set up your arcs, not jump into them. how are any of us supposed to interact with the character, or even come into conflict with them? it is kind of confusing. the real draw of the ScribbleHub high fic is the character interactions. sad to say, it's not the plot. as it is now, all that info and the game to be played is a huge shift from the tone and style of the story.

 

[Raymann]

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[quagma]

Hmm....
oxymorons are indeed in fashion tonight.
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I just read through entire SHHS and realise how it works.
Basically, I cannot alter most of characters or say create variant unless they have been mentioned to be already in existence by the (owner of character).
I am bit confused about the interaction part, but form what I understand the conversation in thread and maybe personal agreements are in play here.
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I hope the right of OoC, would apply to me as well. I am not against interactions, but I made my character so isolated for a reason i.e. the death games. I dropped in thread reading there was an on-going death game, so what I did was to prevent instant death.
Cause let be honest, your character is also broken Op and instruct other characters to follow some rules by saying [you must*], which isn't a bad thing at all, until the interaction is lethal.
What if say one of those broken Op kills, and the concesus be like 'ya that a perma death'.

Ya, so my writing excitement is at its lowest level. I might not even persue stuff which I mention. But it won't stop me from theorizing stuff. I would continue to search for a better solution.

the death games are an exception to the "no perma-death" rule of scribble high. they got special permission from corty for those. outside of the death games, people come back the next day/chapter. the death games are... a special mini-event? they're an exception to the rules. there is no actual canon to the story. it's like SCP foundation. there's a few general main features, but otherwise they're free to be played with.
yes, our character is indeed broken OP, but that's the point. their job on the student council is basically Mary Sue containment.

 

[Azure_Fog]

Random, but if you are immune to time altering events, wouldn't that mean there is only one you, in all of the universes? I know you mentioned that there were multiples of you due to alternate timelines. But if you are immune to them, then you would be a constant amongst timelines. You can obviously make clones with other powers already. It counts as a time-altering effect...

The answer is yes, kinda. There are several "me"s at different points in time, and we all have knowledge of all time so we can act in sync. When I clone myself I effectively grab my future or past self temporarily or literally create a clone of my body that I control as a puppet. So, perhaps it's more like a hive mind? A hivemind of one entity...

As for the alternate timelines things... uhhhh... i was just going through other timelines for fun? It's a bit of a plot hole. Also, if you provide a specific quote I may be able to provide more insight.

Also, not going to lie, if you had multiples of you, they would totally try to stab you. It would a very irregular contradiction if someone who is exactly the same as you wouldn't try to see if they could stab their self.

If there were multiples of me, they might try to stab me. But who is to say I wouldn't stab the other me first? Or, perhaps, the other me and me would realize fighting is literally pointless because we can see the future...

Anyways, there is only one Azure. Any other Azure is that Azure just at a different point in time.

Solution:::

I can barely read parts of this, but I'll see what I can make out..
So basically, there was the old SHHS, in the "original timeline". Then, the redacted timeline happened, and all the timelines collapsed into one(?)
Then, since the once present imposter got erased, the imposter curse came into existence. There are infinite copies of the lack of the imposter.
Following this, Tony arrived and smashed all timelines into one. (second collapse) This includes any characters with unique timelines.
From my interpretation, this breaks the way time flows here, but is how I understand it, is that characters with variations also got pulled in along with the "red marionette" (whatever that is...)

1. ) I won't include character like red marionette or those without variants in prequel timelines or council of imposter timelines.
They may go back and kill as much variants out infinite imposter of others but it won't affect prequel timeline.

Again, who is the red marionette?

2.) I am shifting "council of imposters" backward i.e between the current collapse(I will call it second collapse which created SHHS.) and "the first collapse"(which ended spin off verse). In this way current timeline would be immune to imposter attack.
The council will only include characters that gave consent to create imposter variant and variant allowing characters.

???

3.)Also that means rey would never exist in current SHHS or any timeline created afterwards that include "unique characters" unless or until prequel and original are cleared by variants of variant-allowing characters.

Okay, so, Rey (your character(?)) doesn't exist in the present because the stopped existing after the prequel timeline.
Now here's my problem: Why are you restricting it to variant/variant-allowing characters to clear the timeline? There is NOTHING stopping me from going back in time to destroy everything. The only way you could do that is maybe have all of the imposters come after me at once, but even then it would be pointless because I would win. And again, time is meaningless since time travel.

@Azure_Fog are you a unique character.

Elaborate. If you mean the following:

"My timelines did not and will not intersect with unique character (characters that don't allow variant creation)." I.e. only dream version for unique characters.

Then, yes. I am a unique character. Also, while perhaps your timelines do not intersect with unique characters, nothing says I cannot force myself into the timeline.

Also can be read as,
"if you use my character you are consenting to creation of variants even if you are unique" (reason : the imposter gave me powers so there must be a imposter version of you too)

And this doesn't apply to me as well. I am immune to ALL time altering effects. To create "imposters" my time would have to be altered. If I don't consent, no imposters can spawn, as that would be a form of altering my past.

Point one: quagma is not from this or any other reality, timeline, or multiverse.
Point two: quagma experiences events non-linearly, as both the past and the future are simply the present to them.
point three: they do not truly exist. they are just the personification of numbers, probability, octopus, and physics.
point four: no timeline is off access to them. alternate realities are their literal bread and butter.
point five: you cannot run
point six: you cannot hide
point seven: for santa clause quagma is coming tonight.

taking control of the narrative is not reccomended. for starters, you gotta set up your arcs, not jump into them. how are any of us supposed to interact with the character, or even come into conflict with them? it is kind of confusing. the real draw of the ScribbleHub high fic is the character interactions. sad to say, it's not the plot. as it is now, all that info and the game to be played is a huge shift from the tone and style of the story.

I agree with your points~

Redaction is not altering, it basically deleting a complete isolated timeline in a manner that it is impossible to recreate the same.

Wrong. According to google, the definition of redact is "edit (text) for publication." Editing is altering.

If you are a unique character that has no variant that by default you are immune. Cause only intersection from prequel to your timeline would be current SHHS, at point which both Rey and council of imposters don't exist. So your past and future timeline/timelines will never see them as you are unique.

What I am saying that.
We both have different past timelines a.k.a origin lines. And yours intersect to a point where mine is no longer exist. So it is neither your past, future or present hence you cannot see it.

Doesn't matter. I see all timelines. That includes ones that aren't wherever I am. So, I will have seen them. If it existed at all, ever, I will have seen it. Your forget, I am the Eldritch embodiment of time. Messing with timelines and reality is the entire point of my character, and I've worded everything in a way that it should be near impossible to break me.

(also sorry for late responses, typing takes a long time and I refuse to type this on my phone...)

 

[RepresentingWrath]

This is stupid.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Correction. This is fucking stupid.