Climate change and overpopulation

[Jemini]

We rushed into the COVID Vaccine which is a LIVE VIRUS (they lie about it being 'dead' by playing around with the definition of 'live'. if it injects itself into your cells and reprograms your DNA, it's a live virus, Got it?) How much money to be made in the single most sold product in human history? We rushed into that over money.

*Sigh* This is what we refer to as "knowing just enough to be dangerous."

You know a few things, but there are some rather critical flaws in your reasoning here.

1. The COVID vaccine was a new type of vaccine that doesn't use a virus, alive or dead, at all. It was an mRNA vaccine, using the same signaling method cells use to create proteins. In other words, there is no virus, it convinces some of your cells to present the spike protiens that a virus would, which programs your immune system to fight the virus without you having ever been infected.

2. No, it DOES NOT reprogram your DNA. It injects you with RNA in order to create proteins. Normally, this is something your DNA does. It creates RNA in order to have it processed by your rhybozomes in order to then create protiens. The mRNA vaccine skips the DNA part and just introduces foreign RNA to do the same thing your DNA would do.

This is the sort of stuff you learn in Sophomore Lv. biology in Highschool.

You can argue what you like about the statistics and efficacy of the vaccine, but you should at least try to get your facts straight in terms of how it works.

EDIT: (Do note, I am pointing out the specific flaw in this one small area of your argument rather than throwing the entire thing out based upon one single error in your reasoning. And this one is quite blatantly wrong in every sense of the word, so while I'm giving you the courtesy of letting go on the points your wrong about and continuing anyway with the rest of the points if you want to, you really will be destroyed if you want to keep pressing the point in this area because your facts are just totally off base here.)

 

[Deleted member 76176]

The rich don't understand you NEED those billions of poor to prop you up. If there are only a billion people on the planet, the standard of living for everyone DROPS. Everyone suffers. There isn't more STUFF, because of the way supply chains work. fewer people means fewer workers, means fewer products means less GDP and a declining standard of livings for everyone.

I'll say it again: I don't want to hear that billionaires are evil or that they are advocating it for their own agendas and stuff. That's not part of my speech; I may keep a small segment on it l, though.
Regarding the most of what you wrote, I can refute that straight away, but I first want to study related papers on Siberian permafrost to make sure I'm not getting it wrong.

 

[NotaNuffian]

I have considered that, and I’m avoiding discussing the issues in a partisan way. Besides countering misconceptions, I also want to explain why they are so politically relevant.

Because of tribalism? Everyone has their own thinking and we like to demonize those that don't share ours?

Also, recently I have found this very funny saying from CN which apparently is a folklore/ myth BS.

天生万物以养人，人无一善以报天，杀杀杀杀杀杀杀

Ignoring the 7 "kill" from last sentence, the first two is saying "All things are born to support people, while humans have nothing good enough to repay the heavens."

Ouch.

 

[Theirl]

Huh, didn't realize you were on the forums.

Im a actually a lurker Xd

 

[Deleted member 76176]

Because of tribalism? Everyone has their own thinking and we like to demonize those that don't share ours?

Mhm. Stuffs like how overpopulation is directly linked to immigration, identity and national politics.

 

[Jemini]

Mhm. Stuffs like how overpopulation is directly linked to immigration, identity and national politics.

That's an interesting point. There are a lot of overpopulation arguments that also have a fair amount of racism mixed into them.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Mhm. Stuffs like how overpopulation is directly linked to immigration, identity and national politics.

Well, calling Earth a global village is not helping anyone at the moment. Maybe when all the bloods are mixed, all forms of past histories blended into one. Then humans can call themselves as human race, Singular.

That's an interesting point. There are a lot of overpopulation arguments that also have a fair amount of racism mixed into them.

Of course. Racism is standard.

 

[Theirl]

Mhm. Stuffs like how overpopulation is directly linked to immigration, identity and national politics.

My opnion overpopulation is more a lack of city planning, and economical growth than anything... today we only suffer this problem because we lack distribution of tecnology and our political system dont gain anything by actually solving this problem. Its good for the economy overpopulation it throw the wages down, expand the buying power of your region, and most important it inflate the value of assets of those that hold them. The only solution for this problem is another tecnological revolution with further dissimination of information so that we can further evolve our production capacity.

 

[Deleted member 76176]

That's an interesting point. There are a lot of overpopulation arguments that also have a fair amount of racism mixed into them.

One of the main concerns for conservatives is the demographic change. For instance, in India, some Hindus feel threatened that the lower birth rate of their community will lead to them being outnumbered by the economically poor Muslims in the near future, and this had lead to communal violence, controversies and many political debates. This is a false assumption, but it is similar to what some Americans feel about immigrants.

 

[melchi]

Meteorology is the one science where scientist can be right 50% of the time and still be considered doing a good job.

Also, I would second what Eldrich said that being anti carbon and anti nuclear doesn't make a lot of sense. The carter administration signed a nuclear non proliferation law that had a rider that restricted recycling nuclear waste. Ronald Regan repealed some of it but running reactors that recycle nuclear waste in the USA is still illegal.

As for overpopulation I'll just leave this quote:

Man is gifted with pity and other kindly feelings; he has also the power of preventing many kinds of suffering. I conceive it to fall well within his province to replace Natural Selection by other processes that are more merciful and not less effective. This is precisely the aim of Eugenics.

-Francis Galton, Father of Eugenics

 

[NotaNuffian]

One of the main concerns for conservatives is the demographic change. For instance, in India, some Hindus fear that the lower birth rate of their community will lead to them being outnumbered by the economically poor Muslims in the near future, and this had lead to communal violence, controversies and many political debates. This is a false assumption, but it is similar to what some Americans feel about illegal immigrants.

Well, the fear sometimes also becomes the truth sadly and humans hold onto their identity hard.

Nobody likes to be erased.

 

[georgelee5786]

Mankind numbers 8 billion people worldwide. The most populated nation in the world is China, with upwards of 1.4 billion people. China is 3rd largest nation. There is a population density map of China below. If we put over an eighth of the world population in a small part of the third largest nation in the world and have plenty of room to spare, then earth has room and to spare

 

[ThrillingHuman]

Overpopulation is fake. Maybe countries are facing demographic crisises in fact (which I guess is not the same since one is about total number of people and other is about rate of growth but whatever)

One of the main concerns for conservatives is the demographic change. For instance, in India, some Hindus feel threatened that the lower birth rate of their community will lead to them being outnumbered by the economically poor Muslims in the near future, and this had lead to communal violence, controversies and many political debates. This is a false assumption, but it is similar to what some Americans feel about illegal immigrants.

But it's not false tho

 

[Deleted member 76176]

Well, the fear sometimes also becomes the truth sadly and humans hold onto their identity hard.

Nobody likes to be erased.

This might be an issue, but the solution lies in educating them and helping them out of poverty rather than in racism or violence.

 

[NotaNuffian]

This might be an issue, but the solution lies in educating them and helping them out of poverty rather than in racism or violence.

... and the problem goes back to money.

ffs.

 

[melchi]

Overpopulation is fake. Maybe countries are facing demographic crisises in fact (which I guess is not the same since one is about total number of people and other is about rate of growth but whatever)

But it's not false tho

I agree with trashy here. Ghandi divided India into two nations to prevent religious conflict because he knew that this was the best way at the time to prevent conflict. This is evidenced by cashmere. It is the only province in India that had a majority Muslim population. Pakistan claims that it should have been part of their country and look at how things are today.

 

[Empyrea]

I think the safest answer is: Double it and pass it to the next planet.

 

[Deleted member 76176]

Overpopulation is fake. Maybe countries are facing demographic crisises in fact (which I guess is not the same since one is about total number of people and other is about rate of growth but whatever)

But it's not false tho

It is not fake, but misleading for sure. “Replacement level fertility” is the total fertility rate—the average number of children born per woman—at which a population exactly replaces itself from one generation to the next, without migration. This rate is roughly 2.1 children per woman for most countries, although it may modestly vary with mortality rates.
That number is 1.6 for the United States and 0.8 for South Korea, indicating that the population is steadily declining. However, the depopulatuon of the devloped countries isn't a new trend in fact.
But that to happen in global scale, we need to pull the backwater countries out of economic poverty.

I agree, though, that with how things are right now, we might need to consider making more babies in the future.

 

[ElijahRyne]

Overpopulation due to lack of food, is a bit of a myth commonly used to justify horrific actions taken by governments, such as the Irish ‘Potato‘ Famine or the Bengali Famine. We clearly already produce enough food to feed everyone, we just have issues in distribution. This is mostly because, both on local and world scales, food doesn’t go to those who need it, but to those who pay the most.

Overpopulation in concerns to global warming does make a bit more sense, due to the fact that fashion, agriculture, transportation, and travel are among the biggest polluters of co2. Some of this can be relived to some extent by smart policies and planning, such as by expanding public transport and creating more durable clothing. Others will be more difficult such as in agriculture and construction, where limiting emissions requires either a drastic shift or an unknown invention. However I doubt limiting the population is the solution, look at China’s two child policy and the massive demographic crisis it spawned. Energy however is easy, nuclear + renewables can mitigate a lot of what is currently happening.

Global warming is an undeniable truth. The world is becoming warmer, the air is becoming poisonous, natural disasters are increasing, etc. The main reason that it seems as if most nations are barely doing anything about it is because it goes against their leaders interests. Be that because they themselves or their backers are oil rich, because their constituents are primarily employed in a polluting industry, or something else. It is clear that individual change will do nothing, we need concrete organized change in effected areas to mitigate it. But that change will most likely be temporary, because if it benefits a person in power to change it back, it will be changed back.

Imo, permanent change for the better requires, at the bare minimum, an end to neoliberalism, which is unlikely without mass action and/or revolution to form a society were common prosperity and future planning is the main focus, instead of one where the average person and their needs are sacrificed for the good of rich businesses and the ’free’ market by deregulating and privatizing everything.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

If you are looking for someone who spends a lot of time exposing the climate hoax i would refer you to Tony Heller.

Real Climate Science | "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts." — Richard Feynman

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Pretty much all these societal problems and their social awareness comes from propoganda.

The real problems don't get the same traction manufactured ones do.