As an author, what is your take on 'reviews'?

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I know mine has controversial subject matter, so I don't expect reviews, but I still enjoy getting them.
I have more luck getting reviews on writing.com, where they have an awesome gift point exchange system that encourages people to review more.
 

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The last time I wrote a review on MAL, it was a negative one. And it got removed months after, probably after being reported by the fans of the show. So I don't bother anymore.
I got hit by nostalgia so I sifted through my account's friends list. Good thing I left it publicly viewable.
Saw that tehnominator already abandoned MAL. Archaeon is still active. These two even have the same birthday so I would often remember to greet the other after greeting one.

Negative reviews don't just get removed when reported. Even positive reviews can get taken down when it becomes apparent that they are misrepresentations. Of course, there are still biases since the mods doing the evaluations are human prone to error ... unlike machines that can be coded to be consistently wrong. e.g. mtl

Interesting that htl (human translator luddites) can't even target their enemies properly, calling them machine translators instead of machine translator operators.

Following a similar line of thought, @AkalE, stories don't post themselves. Authors, plagiarists, or bots do.


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I know mine has controversial subject matter, so I don't expect reviews, but I still enjoy getting them.
I have more luck getting reviews on writing.com, where they have an awesome gift point exchange system that encourages people to review more.

Too bad that site isn't really suited for the type of story I'm writing.
 

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In my opinion it's necessary for readers to show appreciation for the work that the authors put. It might not be amazing or perfect, but its definitely hard work on the author's part.

I'm sure a lot of authors write for their own satisfaction, but for the rest a comment, a rating and a review would definitely be a positive reinforcement that people are reading what have written.
There is a danger that this would only encourage mediocre content.
SH does seem to be a skewed in terms of authors vs. readers. That could be a reason why you see less reviews. We need a system that encourages reader engagement. SH is definitely a author's creative space and thats what makes it amazing. But more readers would definitely be a plus.
Reader engagement doesn't mean only positive ones. As I said previously; "Han shot first," it is these moments of contention where the readers are engaged the most. Obviously, with such engagement there would be some friction.
I've heard others say that SH readership is lower than other sites or that they don't convert to patreon numbers. This could become a problem in the future where good stories aren't posted on SH anymore.
Well, stories in SH, are mostly mediocre. It is flooded with it. I even think mediocre stories thrive in SH where they would fail in other platforms.

I'm not really surprised if this happens. Sure SH is kinda appealing to writers (being very positive to them and all) but it kinda sucks for readers. The contents are really meh, many features (like similar series) are failures, there seems to be no feature implemented to match readers to the contents/stories or to just help them find them, readers barely talk to each other, etc..

SH just doesn't seem to be made with the readers in mind.
On the other hand reviews do bring a negativity into the space. especially if its a critiques a work. This might discourage an author. So personally I try to write reviews that doesn't discourage writers.
And I don't bother. It is hard to tell if they will be or will not be discouraged by what you wrote (though it is most likely that they will be discouraged if you are even slightly critical) and being too encouraging might encourages more mediocre content.
 
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Like where?
Like in RoyalRoad. Heck even in Webnovel. There are many stories that are posted both here and Webnovel and they often are floundering in Webnovel but very popular here. I don't think most stories here would do well in FictionPress. There are also Wattpad but . . . considering the community there, no.

It is like SH is where the leftovers go. Not to mean there aren't good stories here, but the situation seems to be like that.
 

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On the other hand reviews do bring a negativity into the space. especially if its a critiques a work. This might discourage an author. So personally I try to write reviews that doesn't discourage writers.

I guess people here are smart enough not to write negative reviews unless they really hate the story and want the author to stop. If it's just mediocre, and they might skim it from time to time, giving a negative review might lead to the writer abandoning the story, which would be a loss for them, however little. :s_tongue:
 

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Like in RoyalRoad. Heck even in Webnovel. There are many stories that are posted both here and Webnovel and they often are floundering in Webnovel but very popular here. I don't think most stories here would do well in FictionPress. There are also Wattpad but . . . considering the community there, no.

It is like SH is where the leftovers go. Not to mean there aren't good stories here, but the situation seems to be like that.
More of the case of a different targeted audience. RR is all about litrpg while SH is more isekai-oriented. WN is cultivation stuff and it's way, way bigger than any other original platform as of now.

It's logical if you write litrpg, it will thrive in RR but won't in SH and vice versa for isekai.
 

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More of the case of a different targeted audience. RR is all about litrpg while SH is more isekai-oriented. WN is cultivation stuff and it's way, way bigger than any other original platform as of now.

It's logical if you write litrpg, it will thrive in RR but won't in SH and vice versa for isekai.
Looks like they could've rename the websites like RR should be "Litrpg.com"

SH should be "isekainovel.com"

WN (pretty generic name) should be "cultivation.com"

Wattpad should be "romance.com"

**This is just sarcasm**
 

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I love getting reviews, both positive and negative. I appreciate even the reviews that are a little bit too short and don't really help readers out, and I appreciate the reviews that are long and detailed and talk about the good and bad parts of the story. Reviews are for the readers, not the authors, but I still really enjoy reading a summary of people's thoughts on my works. I haven't gotten any new reviews on Scribble Hub yet, just one repost from another site, but I hope to get some pretty soon!
 

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More of the case of a different targeted audience. RR is all about litrpg while SH is more isekai-oriented. WN is cultivation stuff and it's way, way bigger than any other original platform as of now.

It's logical if you write litrpg, it will thrive in RR but won't in SH and vice versa for isekai.
I don't think that is the case here. Isekai stories are actually kinda popular in Webnovel and RoyalRoad too. Though they do have their core genres, Webnovel mainly because they start with those and RoyalRoad mainly because it becomes the LitRPG hub when it started. They are expanding now, especially Webnovel and other genres find homes there.

ScribbleHub on the other hand, doesn't really have any identity (though sexual stuff thrives here). It is more like the go to for stories that doesn't find success elsewhere.
 

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I don't think that is the case here. Isekai stories are actually kinda popular in Webnovel and RoyalRoad too. Though they do have their core genres, Webnovel mainly because they start with those and RoyalRoad mainly because it becomes the LitRPG hub when it started. They are expanding now, especially Webnovel and other genres find homes there.

ScribbleHub on the other hand, doesn't really have any identity (though sexual stuff thrives here). It is more like the go to for stories that doesn't find success elsewhere.

You can't post sexual stuff on RR unfortunately, since the Amazon thing happened.
 

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If Scribble Hub fixes its identity problem, NovelUpdates can be renamed to Scribble Waifu!

Review makes me think of recap and rewind. For the one writing, it is indeed a review, but for the one reading, it is a spoiler.
 

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I think it just depends on luck? Reviews are always welcome, but you need luck to get a reader that feels like doing a review in order to get them~
 

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I think one of the reasons for readers not leaving any reviews is due to the fact that they do not want to discourage the authors. However, there are many constructive ways to give a critique without destroying the authors confidence. The problem now is that as @AliceShiki (and I quote):

I think it just depends on luck? Reviews are always welcome, but you need luck to get a reader that feels like doing a review in order to get them~

That is also the reason why I am focusing as an author as of the moment, because I do have a habit of leaving a comment or two as some sort of bookmark to the stories I read.
 

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It's also the reason why readers don't poke and criticize fan translators so much because some of them have fragile egos and if they stop, the readers lose one of their sources of a daily fix.
 

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To answer the OP of the thread: reviews are meh. Positive reviews, negative reviews - they're all the same to me. They're just people's opinions. When I get a positive review, it tells me that somebody liked the story. Yay. This might boost my mood if I'm in a bad one and inspire me to write more. When I get a negative review, it tells me that somebody didn't like the story. Alright, that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. I don't really care, though, because I focus on the people who do like the story instead of the people who don't.

In my entire time posting online, I've only ever received one review that actually sounded like the reviewer was trying to be as objective as possible. It was a 2.5-star review on my very first story over on RR. The actual content of the review was negative in its majority, but not a single negative comment was brought up that was not also accompanied by constructive advice on how to improve without telling me how to write my own story. It's still the fairest review I've ever received, and I regret not saving it since I no longer have access on it due to removing the story that it was on.

But there's a problem with that. I firmly believe that reviews are meant for readers, not authors. What an author thinks of reviews shouldn't matter. You know who is going to benefit the most from a review? Other readers. Sure, you might leave a great review for the author telling them how to improve, but how does that help the readers? The author might read your review once or twice if they're really paying attention to it. However, you will have dozens to hundreds to potentially thousands of fellow readers reading your review. When you go to read a review section, you want--as a reader--to know whether a story is worth it or not, right? You're not reading for writing advice to the author. If you are, you're an exception to the rule. Chances are, you're reading because you, as a reader, want to know other readers' opinions.

My point is that reviews should be for readers, not authors. The vast majority of reviews are treated this way everywhere else on the internet. For some reason, though, it's popular in web serial communities for reviewers to direct their "feedback" to the author in the form of a review. If the intent is to help an author improve, that is best left in comments or direct messages, in my honest opinion. Leave the reviews for the readers and leave the feedback, if your intent is to help the author, in comments/messages.

That aside, readers/followers/views are much more important to me. Why should I care about reviews if the numbers that actually matter are still going up? These are the numbers that tell me I'm doing a good job.

Oh, and I will say that while I generally don't care about negative reviews, I will try to give them some positive attention whenever I receive one that isn't just genre hate. Whenever I get a review that tries to be fair while acknowledging personal bias, even if negative, I'll link to it and tell people that it deserves some upvotes/likes in exchange for being an honest and fair review despite being negative. I always try to reward people when they put actual effort into their reviews, both the positive and negative reviews, even if they have little actual impact on me as an author. I get very few of these, though, and none of them have lived up to the one mentioned above.

You'll also see that stories that have a deeper "meaning" tend to get more reviews, even if they have fewer followers. That gives people more to talk about and to review. If you wear everything on your sleeve and don't bother with that, though, then you're giving people less to talk about which means less to review. Me and a few other authors I know - we don't really bother giving people anything to analyze. We put everything right out there. Rather than give readers material to analyze to try and find some deeper meaning or purpose, we explain what it is within the story through the characters discovering it themselves. Naturally, this discourages both comments and reviews. That's not a bad thing, though, unless you're specifically aiming to spark discussion and to get more of those. I write my stories to be fun, so I don't care if they don't spark massive back-and-forth discussions of philosophy and deeper meaning in the comments that leave people posting thorough, in-depth analyses for reviews.

Though, I do still get some of those. They just tend to happen in the patron-only part of my Discord server where people might have a back-and-forth for hours discussing the chapters there. The people who are the most talkative who like my series the most tend to become patrons via Patreon, so they've already had all of the big discussions / review-worthy conversations by the time the chapters make it to free platforms.

And that's enough about my own take on the topic. Now, I'll say what I have seen tons of both from RR and SH authors.

Some people are really, really, really bad at receiving reviews. You can even see it here on the forums when people get negative reviews or ratings. I've seen too many authors to count who act like receiving a negative review is literally a death sentence for their story, or it enrages them to the point of wanting to track the person down to harass them, causes them to get depressed and consider dropping the story, and so on. As for positive reviews - well, I never really see people bring those up since they tend to focus on the negativity. I'll see authors who receive a single negative review and act like it's the end of the world, but then when I go to look at their review section, the vast majority of the other reviews are glowingly positive. There are definitely authors who 100% care far more about reviews, and both positive and negative reviews (but mainly negative ones) can have a massive impact on them. I try to tell these authors not to take reviews so personally, but it rarely works.


I don't think that is the case here. Isekai stories are actually kinda popular in Webnovel and RoyalRoad too. Though they do have their core genres, Webnovel mainly because they start with those and RoyalRoad mainly because it becomes the LitRPG hub when it started. They are expanding now, especially Webnovel and other genres find homes there.

ScribbleHub on the other hand, doesn't really have any identity (though sexual stuff thrives here). It is more like the go to for stories that doesn't find success elsewhere.

Everybody else I've talked to regarding SH, both other authors and readers, are pretty much all in agreement that SH is for "weeb" stories. RR has somewhat of a weeb audience because it has roots as a translator, but it mostly leans towards CN/Western tropes rather than JP tropes. WN is the same except even more toward CN tropes and less toward Western tropes. Both LitRPG and Xianxia/Wuxia do great on RR and WN, but RR does prefer ones that are more "mature" and with a Western spin on them whereas WN tends to stay true to the Chinese way of doing things. Also, in regard to stories floundering on WN but being successful here, that's because SH does more to promote new stories and WN has an extremely competitive environment where if you're not posting multiple times a day, your chances for any sort of success are drastically reduced.

In general, though, SH has a much higher "floor" while the other platforms have a much higher "ceiling."

But yeah. SH's identity is absolutely weeb stuff. Even the "sexual stuff" is weeb in nature. The non-weeb sexual stuff does the same as all the other non-weeb stuff. Even just looking at the covers gives this away. RR has a bunch of Western and CN-inspired covers at their top. WN has a bunch of, well, Chinese-styled covers. SH? Anime covers. Anime covers everywhere. The only way that SH is really gathering "leftovers" is in regard to sexual and LGBT content that is either banned or heavily discriminated against elsewhere, in which case I am happy to let SH be for those "leftovers."

tl;dr: it's less about genres and more about tropes.
RR: Even Western and Chinese tropes.
WN: Mostly Chinese and fewer Japanese/anime tropes.
SH: Mostly Japanese/anime tropes and fewer Chinese tropes.

Also, hey, Ral. I still have fond memories of that way-too-lengthy discussion we had that one time in RR's suggestions about Trending = P
 

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I can actually second that... SH does allow more LGBT content compared to the audience on RR. RR has the tendency to be harsh on LGBT content.

100% agreed that reviews should be for other readers. But it shouldn't be too harsh on the content either. Of course unless its a very detailed and nuanced review, which are hard to come-by.

Reviews, from what I gather from Ace_Arriande's post, have a saturation point. If you are successful enough, you stop bothering about them. But I'm sure the initial review that everyone receives stays with them. Especially for a site like SH that has few authors that are just dedicated to this platform. Majority of the authors here are amateurs in their starting steps or passion-writers. For them reviews could mean a measure of affirmation.

I still have fond memories of that way-too-lengthy discussion we had that one time in RR's suggestions about Trending = P
Link please?:blob_cookie:
 
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