Arrogance and Cuties outrage.

TheGuyThatEveryoneHates

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One of the first things I saw on this section of the site is a rant on Cuties, as well as a rant on bad writing in a dating sim, my first real interaction with the wider community seemed to be a bunch of people jumping into defend a user like a bunch of white knights, or "nice guys." I was having a really bad day at the time, so I reacted badly. I'm sorry for my initial reaction, but I'm not sorry for my reactions afterwards because I feel like the community just kept fight, and pushing, and driving me to react to them instead of just backing off.

The general impression I got from the community users on this site are that they are arrogant, but not in the traditional way.

The best way to describe this mindset is with the following paraphrased quote: "White knights are hated because they don't see other people as people. They see ladies as princesses who don't need emotional support, they need to be insulated like treasures while they protect them. Then, because they were so selfless and brave, they are entitled to a reward, even if that reward is that they get to feel really good about themselves. Worse, they see everyone who isn't a princess as an inferior person who needs to be educated, or an enemy that needs to be defeated."

I think that, with the outrage to Cuties, you can see a pretty clear example of this mindset. They are clearly seeing themselves as morally superior to the rest of the population by assuming that people won't just, you know, ignore it and keep scrolling because the premise sounds a bit sleazy, or watch it once out of morbid curiosity then discover that it isn't as bad as they think it is, then never think about it again.

To put it another way, it says a lot that 4Chan banned images from Cuties, but not literal footage of dead bodies, or written child porn on a few of their communities. Almost as though they just wanted to use the controversy as a way to virtue-signal.

It also must be weird to the girls acting in the movie who are now kinda viewed as the faces of child exploitation and sexualization. Sort of like how McDonald's is viewed as the face of obesity, as though the restaurant chain is somehow forcing people to eat enough of their hamburgers each day to balloon to 300 pounds. As though the problem isn't the people enabling them to eat unhealthy amounts of food, or their own psychological issues. No, they're too stupid to be blamed, the evil burger corporation must be at fault! Just as those poor actresses must have been literally forced to dress in revealing outfits and twerk, because surely they wouldn't want to do that of their own free will, right?

I think that nobody looks good in battles like these because it isn't a fight that anyone can win, because there isn't a reasonable goal or outcome that can be reached, and if there is no one is making it clear what it is. Netflix can't go back in time and not make the movie, the most that they can do is not release it, which will just create a demand for it, which will just result in it being leaked online like with most other controversial things.

I think that, as writers of stories, blogs, and comments, it's so easy to develop this arrogance. It's easy to develop a God complex when you are literally God when you write your epic fantasy story, or even just a simple romance story. It's easy to view yourself as a very smart person who knows what's best for everyone when you've written a 500-word blog post that a couple people agree with. It's easy to think that you aren't a narcissist if you think: "Well, I actually hate myself and have low self-esteem. But, at least I acknowledge my faults, and use critical thinking, which makes me better than all of the other sheeple."

However, I think that we need to be better. We need to acknowledge that these mindsets are toxic and we need to call them out when we see them, rather than reward people who have them. We need to be more selective about which battles we fight, as well as how we fight them.

Rant over. I'm aware of the hypocrisy.
 

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Maybe it's just me but I think the internet it just a terrible place to try and have an argument, mostly do to the ease at which misunderstandings can occur. I mean the second most important thing to what you say is the tone you say it in and tone doesn't transfer to text well.
 

Leti

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And then there's this. Which means every argument majority of us made is invalid. What's the point of using internet for debates anyway?

 

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I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. What battle? This Cuties controversy is overwhelmingly lopsided with the majority of people being offended being regular people, not creatives or writers. Because people have a knee-jerk reaction of big hate when it comes to something seen as fuckin' with the kiddos. It's as simple as that.

I think your mindset is a bit...toxic. You're making a lot of big assumptions and i'm gonna have to call you out on it. It's like, you're calling the people on this site arrogant but then everything after that is like concentrated condescension.
 
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do to the ease at which misunderstandings can occur
Agree... But I'd like to believe that it is slightly or every so minutely better here in scribble hub forum. Coz I have seen authors communicate their position while paying due diligence to linguistics. That way they come off as that is just sharing an opinion open to dialogue, and when someone post like an arsehole, people can read between the line and see the motivations and subtext that so not to assume the worst of the poster.

BUT, most of the time it's just business as usual like the rest of the internet.
 

BenJepheneT

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One of the first things I saw on this section of the site is a rant on Cuties, as well as a rant on bad writing in a dating sim, my first real interaction with the wider community seemed to be a bunch of people jumping into defend a user like a bunch of white knights, or "nice guys." I was having a really bad day at the time, so I reacted badly. I'm sorry for my initial reaction, but I'm not sorry for my reactions afterwards because I feel like the community just kept fight, and pushing, and driving me to react to them instead of just backing off.

The general impression I got from the community users on this site are that they are arrogant, but not in the traditional way.

The best way to describe this mindset is with the following paraphrased quote: "White knights are hated because they don't see other people as people. They see ladies as princesses who don't need emotional support, they need to be insulated like treasures while they protect them. Then, because they were so selfless and brave, they are entitled to a reward, even if that reward is that they get to feel really good about themselves. Worse, they see everyone who isn't a princess as an inferior person who needs to be educated, or an enemy that needs to be defeated."

I think that, with the outrage to Cuties, you can see a pretty clear example of this mindset. They are clearly seeing themselves as morally superior to the rest of the population by assuming that people won't just, you know, ignore it and keep scrolling because the premise sounds a bit sleazy, or watch it once out of morbid curiosity then discover that it isn't as bad as they think it is, then never think about it again.

To put it another way, it says a lot that 4Chan banned images from Cuties, but not literal footage of dead bodies, or written child porn on a few of their communities. Almost as though they just wanted to use the controversy as a way to virtue-signal.

It also must be weird to the girls acting in the movie who are now kinda viewed as the faces of child exploitation and sexualization. Sort of like how McDonald's is viewed as the face of obesity, as though the restaurant chain is somehow forcing people to eat enough of their hamburgers each day to balloon to 300 pounds. As though the problem isn't the people enabling them to eat unhealthy amounts of food, or their own psychological issues. No, they're too stupid to be blamed, the evil burger corporation must be at fault! Just as those poor actresses must have been literally forced to dress in revealing outfits and twerk, because surely they wouldn't want to do that of their own free will, right?

I think that nobody looks good in battles like these because it isn't a fight that anyone can win, because there isn't a reasonable goal or outcome that can be reached, and if there is no one is making it clear what it is. Netflix can't go back in time and not make the movie, the most that they can do is not release it, which will just create a demand for it, which will just result in it being leaked online like with most other controversial things.

I think that, as writers of stories, blogs, and comments, it's so easy to develop this arrogance. It's easy to develop a God complex when you are literally God when you write your epic fantasy story, or even just a simple romance story. It's easy to view yourself as a very smart person who knows what's best for everyone when you've written a 500-word blog post that a couple people agree with. It's easy to think that you aren't a narcissist if you think: "Well, I actually hate myself and have low self-esteem. But, at least I acknowledge my faults, and use critical thinking, which makes me better than all of the other sheeple."

However, I think that we need to be better. We need to acknowledge that these mindsets are toxic and we need to call them out when we see them, rather than reward people who have them. We need to be more selective about which battles we fight, as well as how we fight them.

Rant over. I'm aware of the hypocrisy.
Hey welcome to a forum where people have: OPINIONS. Guess what we do about OPINIONS? We lay our OPINIONS out. And then we discuss our OPINIONS. We discuss things that is in our mind at the moment, and we want to see what people think of it, be it similarly or the opposite. Nobody is claiming to be the second coming of Jesus just by laying out their OPINIONS. This is just what people do on a forum: to discuss. If anything, your ideal way of a forum is basically "call everything and everyone I don't agree with toxic" just because you don't like or disagree with what's being discussed.

If you think we're doing this just to earn some internet brownie points and look good online by being a """morally correct""" dude, you are the most delusional motherfucker I've met on this site. Read above. News flash: we're mature enough to agree and disagree with one another without making gigantic rivalries or massive dramas because we understand that everyone has OPINIONS and that we can live with one another even if we have different OPINIONS.

Let me put this in a way you brain-dead troglodyte can understand: people can agree and disagree with you. Just because a lot of people disagree with you or your interaction with one guy, doesn't mean they're white knighting. They MIGHT be white knighting, but most of the situations I see, it's the asshat himself who couldn't see anything wrong with what he says, or can't wrap his head around the fact that different people think different things.

Let me say this once more: nobody is taking moral high grounds or claiming themselves to be messiahs. We're all discussing OPINIONS and laying out points as to whether we agree or not. Welcome to a forum. We do that kinda things here.

And to give an example of the extreme: that Cuties thread that I put up. I got fucking flamed at the end. You don't see me putting up a gigantic rant page about how everyone is a fucking pedo or that this forum is full of white knights. I don't do that because I, and many others on the forum, understand people think different things, and most of the time, a majority agree on one thing, along with a minority sitting on the other side.

"nobody looks good in battles like these" yeah because nobody is trying to, and neither are you. You're not making a big revelation with this disguised, thinly veiled Big Baby Whining Session, you're just openly displaying how big of a shut box you are, that people can't possibly see other perspectives in a subject and that everyone who disagrees with you is a schizo.

You're not changing anyone's mind. You're not a big revelation. You're just an asshat who's devastated that people talk about popular topics in a forum from an angle that you don't agree with.

"acknowledge that people with this mindset is toxic" people that what? starts discussions from an angle you don't like? thank god you don't moderate this forum. Who knows what kind of resetera ethnostate you're gonna be running. "instead of rewarding people who have them" what fucking reward? the reward I got for that cuties thread was public shaming on a guillotine made of my nudes.

"it's easy to get a god complex from writing as a god" "it's easy to view yourself as a smart person who knows what's best for everyone" "I'm aware of the hypocrisy" yeah no, you still don't realize how far up your ass you're currently at.

>inb4 haha I'm TheGuyThatEveryoneHates this is just a bait haha I'm only pretending to have room temperature iq
>inb4 yeah I expected this I'm TheGuyThatEveryoneHates I knew people will disagree with me that's why I'm hated haha

Fuck me, man, if this is the calibre we're getting from new users I'd rather this board die out of stagnation than to see it infested by people with cavities in their skulls denser than the fucking sun.
 
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BenJepheneT

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Reminds me of the old days of NU debates. Someone quickly, disagree with the man so I can watch.
Already done so, buddy

Maybe it's just me but I think the internet it just a terrible place to try and have an argument, mostly do to the ease at which misunderstandings can occur. I mean the second most important thing to what you say is the tone you say it in and tone doesn't transfer to text well.
Yeah, it's definitely a terrible place to have an argument because you have to deal with hollow skulls like this.

Or don't fight in any battles at all. Unless you're 110% sure you can win. Avoiding direct confrontation is my ninja way.
I really wish this guy took this approach.

If you write a friendly (!) message to Tony, he'll delete your account and this thread :blob_highfive:
My man. Have a like.
 

NotaNuffian

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Ahh yes, it is really nice to enjoy people "shouting" in the thread. Reminds me of the good old days in the forum for Arifureta, SAO, NUF and 4chan.

There is nothing more entertaining than to watch the fire burning at the opposite shore.
 

BenJepheneT

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Ahh yes, it is really nice to enjoy people "shouting" in the thread. Reminds me of the good old days in the forum for Arifureta, SAO, NUF and 4chan.

There is nothing more entertaining than to watch the fire burning at the opposite shore.
Least in those sites you already expect a certain level of turbo autismo. But this one? Holy shit this guy made into the manufacturer's cup and took the holy grail of the being the emptiest skull human genetics can achieve.

Rude as he may be, the insults from the AlphaRetard himself never ceases to amuse.
Flattered, I am.
 
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