Are all character capable of redemption?

[CheertheSecond]

ill answer the declared question later, but you are going to want to comb through ToS and SH rules extreeeemely carefully if you're going to do this.

Then pretend he committed a terrible taboo.

The excuse is that he just did it at that time because he found it was fine as long as no one knows.

He never got caught, but became a changed man. He decided to confess and pay for his crime. He is now a different person than his past. He will never commit that crime against.

However, his past stays safe in the record of history.

Now will you accept his effort and not hate him anymore or will you forever be bitter not because of his crime but because he used to be the man that broke the taboo and ruined someone else's livelihood?

 

[Lloyd]

Yes.

 

[Dominic_Zibuda]

This is a vast grab.

Do you think there are characters that no matter how they try to redeem themselves you will never be able to forgive them?

Palpatine and rapists

 

[melchi]

Yes, but if someone is willing to forgive them is another question.

 

[georgelee5786]

Yes

 

[J_Chemist]

Yes, but actually no.

Certain things cannot be forgiven in the eyes of the broader morality scale that society has built. Once you cross a certain threshold, commit a certain action, or make a certain decision, the label that comes with such a choice will forever stain a character. They may be able to do a hundred "good deeds" after such a choice is made but they will never be able to completely erase the stigma of that stain.

Think of someone close to you. They can do a hundred things right and never fuck up, but the moment they slip or make a mistake, that tends to undo a lot of the "good" they've done. It happens more often than you think. And once it does, that person now has to work twice as hard to remove that troublesome event from the memories of those around them.

 

[Arkus86]

Technically, I am trying to see if it's possible for an incestuous pedophile to be a main character and how to redeem himself so that people will like him.
I also want to see if it's possible for people to like any character as long as they redeem themselves or impossible for certain characters.

I am assuming, since the topic is redemption, that he is known as incestuous pedophile because of his past actions. In that case, absolutely not.
If it was his desire that he fought against and never gave into, go ahead, but the moment he acts on it, he crosses the point of no return.

 

[CheertheSecond]

I am assuming, since the topic is redemption, that he is known as incestuous pedophile because of his past actions. In that case, absolutely not.
If it was his desire that he fought against and never gave into, go ahead, but the moment he acts on it, he crosses the point of no return.

Incestuous pedophile is just an example of something taboo, it’s a prime example but not everything. I am just trying to find a general grip on the topic.

Like, is it really hopeless to try seeking redemption once you committed such atrocity?

If so, he clearly only had two revelations. One, he can seek death and never be bothered by the world again. Two, he can just continue making more atrocities since he can never find peace.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Depends on the rules of the world in writing. In real life there are things which are irredeemable by human standards simply because there is no way to undo them.

If a Time Machine could be used to undo it, or the rules of the world allowed for a Time Machine with little consequence, then anything is redeemable.

 

[LunaSoltaer]

Incestuous pedophile is just an example of something taboo, it’s a prime example but not everything. I am just trying to find a general grip on the topic.

Like, is it really hopeless to try seeking redemption once you committed such atrocity?

If so, he clearly only had two revelations. One, he can seek death and never be bothered by the world again. Two, he can just continue making more atrocities since he can never find peace.

Congrats, you just discovered literary theory.

no seriously, this is one of those Big Questions that people spend years writing Actual Literature Pieces about. A person trying to figure out what to do after being shut out by society. Can the person even change? if so, does society refusing to see them as redeemed slow or even reverse that process?

Do they attempt the redemption arc anyway? if so, what happens?

How does the utter ejection from society take its toll on this man? (or woman. It's 2023; you can defy gender expectations here) Does it harden their resolve? Does it shatter them?

And what of the good actions that took place while the character was in the course of redeeming themself? Do they get ignored? discarded because We Don't Deal With Scum here? Appropriated to be a more acceptable persons work? something else entirely?



You're tackling some crazy territory here. This might not be something you want to post a silly webmovel on SH about. This is a question about greater society and how we may improve as a species.

 

[RepresentingCaution]

I can forgive people without making myself vulnerable to them again. If redemption means just forgiveness, then OK. If redemption means forgiveness AND trust, no.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

I can forgive people without making myself vulnerable to them again. If redemption means just forgiveness, then OK. If redemption means forgiveness AND trust, no.

Redemption means making things right, or someone making it right for you.

has little to do with actual forgiveness.

 

[aattss]

The less redeemable someone is, the more interested I am in their redemption.

At least as long as it's in character.

 

[CheertheSecond]

Congrats, you just discovered literary theory.

no seriously, this is one of those Big Questions that people spend years writing Actual Literature Pieces about. A person trying to figure out what to do after being shut out by society. Can the person even change? if so, does society refusing to see them as redeemed slow or even reverse that process?

Do they attempt the redemption arc anyway? if so, what happens?

How does the utter ejection from society take its toll on this man? (or woman. It's 2023; you can defy gender expectations here) Does it harden their resolve? Does it shatter them?

And what of the good actions that took place while the character was in the course of redeeming themself? Do they get ignored? discarded because We Don't Deal With Scum here? Appropriated to be a more acceptable persons work? something else entirely?



You're tackling some crazy territory here. This might not be something you want to post a silly webmovel on SH about. This is a question about greater society and how we may improve as a species.

I do not know how other authors do their creative works, but for me, I borrow from and make changes to reality such is my way of using the word "If". Discussion of ideas is a form of entertainment itself regardless of its application or implication. The issue is where you draw the line and tell people. "Pass this title is the territory of recreation, so just relax!"

 

[OP1000]

This is a vast grab.

Do you think there are characters that no matter how they try to redeem themselves you will never be able to forgive them?

Yes. I do not consider characters that are evil just because they can be/for the fun of it as reedemable characters.

 

[ManwX]

nope. There is a difference between someone who wants to seek redemption but is too guilty to pursue it. There are those that dont feel like they have done anything wrong. so yeah there are people, and characters that cant be redeemed. They reject the very notion of it.

 

[Narcissistic_loser]

No

 

[Rezcore]

In general the answer to that is simple, and one my Jewish girlfriend answered. If Hitler sought redemption, he could've attained it. However he must still face the fitting punishment. As a jew from Poland, and her grandfather having been in one of those camps....

 

[CheertheSecond]

In general the answer to that is simple, and one my Jewish girlfriend answered. If Hitler sought redemption, he could've attained it. However he must still face the fitting punishment. As a jew from Poland, and her grandfather having been in one of those camps....

Then after that would Jewish people welcome him as a brother with open arms?

 

[Rezcore]

Then after that would Jewish people welcome him as a brother with open arms?

She says, "we'd forgive him, then hang him, his true redemption is between his maker and himself."