Appeal Subforum

[GDLiZy]

Now that we got more mods, there bound to be some disagreement for what should be the edge cases. I propose this Appeal Subforum for where the warned can have their cases reviewed if they feel like they were mistreated. Because at first there only exists Tony, this suggestion isn't necessary, but now that we get 2 more mods, I feel like it will be good for the community. The users can open a ticket to defend their cases instead of making redundant group chats with multiple mods.

Of course, it would be great if you can somehow make the ticket unseeable by other users except for the opener and the mods.

 

[minacia]

I don’t think it’s really needed. In most places, you can appeal through DM or email.

 

[RepresentingCaution]

I like the idea, but I don't think it should be unseeable by other users. I think having a community vote on edge cases would keep the mods accountable to the community rather than to their personal beliefs.

 

[TheTrinary]

In terms of practicality, I don't think it would serve much purpose. But it could be a pretty fun place to read through.

 

[Angry_Clown]

I think having a community vote on edge cases

Because giving people on the internet the right to influence some executive decision has never gone wrong, right?

I approve! We shall rally behind benben to free him from horrible tyranny that took away his precious ass pics. Tbh, 60% of people will vote to repeal that kind of ban just for the lulz and utter chaos.

 

[RepresentingCaution]

Because giving people on the internet the right to influence some executive decision has never gone wrong, right?

I approve! We shall rally behind benben to free him from horrible tyranny that took away his precious ass pics. Tbh, 60% of people will vote to repeal that kind of ban just for the lulz and utter chaos.

It baffles me why activities that could result in new life receive harsher censorship than activities that could result in death.

 

[Leti]

So, like a trial? Who should be the lawyer and prosecutor? The judge is obviously Tony.

 

[BenJepheneT]

Because giving people on the internet the right to influence some executive decision has never gone wrong, right?

I approve! We shall rally behind benben to free him from horrible tyranny that took away his precious ass pics. Tbh, 60% of people will vote to repeal that kind of ban just for the lulz and utter chaos.

Me and the boys about to do some DEMOCRACY

 

[Freesia.Cutepearl]

So, the site owner, Tony? Right? Would be Judge?

The mods would be the prosecutor for the site?

Idk who would be the defense?

And 12 random forum members would be the jury?

 

[Discount_Blade]

Because giving people on the internet the right to influence some executive decision has never gone wrong, right?

@Angry_Clown



While this sounds nice, I doubt it's doable. First, because the amount of time and effort that would be involved for the Mods, which I suspect would mean that more Mods would be required because, call me psychic, but I bet the appeal forum would be jam-packed at some point.

Also, while this shouldn't come as a surprise, people are biased. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar. Or in denial. Dunno. And while I can't say for others, I've personally had some incidents where someone attacked me, and even made racist/sexist remarks against me, and nothing was done to them. I respond? All of my comments were deleted en masse and I was banned from responding in the thread anymore. Meanwhile, nothing was done to the offender. I even reported the person, numerous times, asking how I was the only one at fault. Nothing. This has happened twice. Minor incidents? Sure. But many major problems began with small, insignificant precedents.

I agree and disagree with the idea of this thread.. It would invite obvious favoritism which WOULD effect the outcomes of appeal decisions. Perhaps not every time, but we are kidding ourselves if we expect it to not happen at LEAST 2 or 3 times out of 10. Especially if one of the parties involved is someone the modder also dislikes. The only way to combat this WOULD be to have it in the open so others could respond...but thats....just an absurd idea for a writing site that would easily descend into even more chaos than anything else.

I mean lets be honest, an appeal forum where everyone got to leave a comment would be a frigging troller haven just for the shits and giggles of it. Perhaps not all of the appeal forum threads, but certain topics would be like magnets for the divisive types and trolls. I am even willing to admit certain topics would probably have me arguing passionately for or against a ruling decision.

 

[ChronicleCrawler]

I mean lets be honest, an appeal forum where everyone got to leave a comment would be a frigging troller haven just for the shits and giggles of it. Perhaps not all of the appeal forum threads, but certain topics would be like magnets for the divisive types and trolls. I am even willing to admit certain topics would probably have me arguing passionately for or against a ruling decision.

Ahh, the passion to argue will definitely burn me if I don't like the decision, not adding the reactions of the hot-blooded ones. The chances of division will really do some great damage in the community where everyone has their own opinion, analysis, and biases of a certain event especially the sensitive cases plus the possibility of flamethrower trolls raging havoc. Even the mods will be in the hot seats. You really made a point here.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

@Angry_Clown



While this sounds nice, I doubt it's doable. First, because the amount of time and effort that would be involved for the Mods, which I suspect would mean that more Mods would be required because, call me psychic, but I bet the appeal forum would be jam-packed at some point.

Also, while this shouldn't come as a surprise, people are biased. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar. Or in denial. Dunno. And while I can't say for others, I've personally had some incidents where someone attacked me, and even made racist/sexist remarks against me, and nothing was done to them. I respond? All of my comments were deleted en masse and I was banned from responding in the thread anymore. Meanwhile, nothing was done to the offender. I even reported the person, numerous times, asking how I was the only one at fault. Nothing. This has happened twice. Minor incidents? Sure. But many major problems began with small, insignificant precedents.

I agree and disagree with the idea of this thread.. It would invite obvious favoritism which WOULD effect the outcomes of appeal decisions. Perhaps not every time, but we are kidding ourselves if we expect it to not happen at LEAST 2 or 3 times out of 10. Especially if one of the parties involved is someone the modder also dislikes. The only way to combat this WOULD be to have it in the open so others could respond...but thats....just an absurd idea for a writing site that would easily descend into even more chaos than anything else.

I mean lets be honest, an appeal forum where everyone got to leave a comment would be a frigging troller haven just for the shits and giggles of it. Perhaps not all of the appeal forum threads, but certain topics would be like magnets for the divisive types and trolls. I am even willing to admit certain topics would probably have me arguing passionately for or against a ruling decision.

I have nothing against an appeal whatever forum, but if so a variety of procedural guaranties should be implemented.

- Mods who imposed the ban should be automatically excluded from any participation. Also the defender should be granted the right to request another judge due to concerns of favouritism.
- Also the judge should be necessarily collegial, composed of 3 to 5 members. Also no community vote. Popular jurisdiction just doesn't work.

 

[Deleted member 1244]

Hmmm... I wonder how that would work tho

Unless there is just tony, banning tends to be a long process, the only way it can be quick is if it is a cut and dry clear infraction. Let me rummage thru my memory banks...
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If I remember correctly. common conventions on forums are that mods have either a private discord, a DM private thread or there is a hidden subforum here that only staff can see. And they discuss violations there.

Banning is dealt out by moderators thru an infraction tally, so banning at the end of the day is not one act by a user, but multiple instances of the successive infractions.

Mod A adds one tally, and Mod B adds one... and when it reached critical mass a ban is issued, while the mods amongst themselves tend to discuss if one action amounts to an infraction or not. Ultimately, once the tally is made it more or less have the agreement of the staff.

Therefore, a ban is not the result of a user's single act judged by a single mod but a long line of actions that arrived thru multiple judgements that usually have a consensus or at least a united front amongst the mods.

If that's the case (lulz, pun)... wouldn't it making repealing a ban really tedious. since you have to unpack all the infractions, even if the last infarction is reduced from a major infraction to a minor one, the succession of a user's history of infraction will also have to be overturned. And I'd say it might be impossible to reduce 5/5 infractions to 0/5 since, if any infraction could be so innocuous that it could be reduced to nothing, no one would have reported in the first place. And 5 minor infractions still paint a pretty damning picture of a person's effect on the forum.

At the same time from what I can see of the SHF rules violations... they are pretty clean cut. So we really have to see how banning works here... before we know if there needs to be "this" thing...

I wonder how mods operate here if it's different from Nuf

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Please excuse my lack of experience in the wilder side of town. but as a law-abiding sort, it is kinda hard for me to imagine what infractions need repealing.

Sooo.... can anyone give me an example of what sort of situation would a mod give someone a strike but that someone should not be marked for an infraction?

And as far as I can remember, I have only seen Ben being banned and also ad-bots.... does anyone know any other banning on SHF?

I am just curious about who's been bad,

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