Anyone ever launch the idea of coordination amongst authors here?

Nolff

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Hm. right now, I'm editing all my stuff, and putting it slowly up here.
when I'm writing, I generally manage a chapter a day or so.
that's anything from 2k to 5k. depends on my work schedule, what else I'm up to IRL.
and no, I never use AI. (writing shows this)

the last book I started and was working on, I have to check the dates on the files, I guess. Hold on.
what the... all the dates are the same? oh, I copied them over. go to the thumb drive i created them on. there.
started the new book on december 23. chapter 16, says jan 7
23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
yeah. 16 days, 16 chapters. but, word counts...
5063
4868
3834
4656
3677
4989
4240
2725
5789
3168
(end part 1, 10 chapters) 37,946 words
3788
3773
4651
2728
3391
2646
(part 2, out to 6 chapters) 20,977 words so far

shit, calculator required.
58,923 words over 16 chapters in 16 days.
that's just rough draft time. but, i did some basic editing as I went. one day, maybe two chapters, next day, some more editing.

uhh... honestly i'd hate for you to pick one of my oldest novels to spot check my writing.
I'd rather give you one of my newer chapters to spot check my writing, its improved over time.

heres the prospective rough of the cover idea, for this one I gave word counts and days writing for...
View attachment 46528
but? Question.
what does all this, have to do with my general idea.
that we all stick together, as a team.
like lots of other groups are acting as a team.
I already admitted, I don't feel I'm good enough to "represent" us
but I got no problem with supporting my own teams writers, with love.
we all shit in the same pit. why not.

we have three choices...
we can hate and review bomb each other (retarded) (this? is what my *last* site does. Idiots.)
we can do *nothing*, which is pretty much what we do now.
we can all show each other love.

now... I ask you.
Out of three choices?
which one is the worst.(first option)
which one is the best. (last option)
which one are we doing now. (middle option)
What the fuck. Why are you talking like this?

If you really want to support other writers, then why don't you make something like BL Palace that doesn't require people to help each other to be inside the circle? Just make it a volunteer group work and we're done with this.
 

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You wanna talk bullies, TinaMigario?

RR's forum is a fucking pigpile. Pardon my language, but it's the plain truth.
I didnt know RR had a forum, to be honest.
but I swear by all that's holy, I bet it don;t hold a *candle*
to where I came from.
I feel like I was released from state prison, coming here, lol.
we were all afraid to post our links to our works?
random members of us, would go 1 star us. Morons.
or, as I suspected... cabal members infiltrating us. (we had one huge star, and some lesser stars)
What the fuck. Why are you talking like this?
you asked:
how much do I write, in one month.
I showed you:
that many words and chapters, in 16 days. rough drafting.
 

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Wherever it was, I've likely been there.

I've tried out Quotev, Wattpad, AO3, FF.Net, RR, Inkitt... heck. And others. Lost count, tbh. An editor at Goodreads even linked my Wattpad posts into Goodreads, so I was sort of there too, indirectly. Until I pulled the plug on Wattpad.

All these places, too much petty crap from bullying nobodies pretending that the crap they post on Patreon pays their rent. I was looking for aspiring novelists. All I've found is spammers, petty bullies and thugs.

This site is a breath of fresh air. I like it here. My theory is that SH collects the expatriates who've fled all those other hell holes. (I'm only here because I have one and a half feet out of Royal Road. LOL.)

Now if only a few readers would follow us here! LMAO. Don't get me wrong. SH has readers. No doubt. But sadly too few. Or maybe the issue is that ALL online reading is in decline.

I think I did mention somewhere on the forum that this place is an acting sanctuary for a lot of writers, so, yeah.
 

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You know, when I first saw this thread, I thought it was going to be about something fun, like multiple authors trying to coordinate a single story taking place in a single world from multiple perspectives and upload all those different perspectives onto scribblehub.

Then I was thinking to myself that we're all too amateurish to pull that off but let's see what it is anyway.

Instead I got this nonsense. Oh well.
 

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You know, when I first saw this thread, I thought it was going to be about something fun, like multiple authors trying to coordinate a single story taking place in a single world from multiple perspectives and upload all those different perspectives onto scribblehub.

Then I was thinking to myself that we're all too amateurish to pull that off but let's see what it is anyway.

Instead I got this nonsense. Oh well.

Hobbyists. Professionals likely have stubbed their works here.
 

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Way better my ass.

Look, I'm gonna give you a spine of reality and pray that you don't cry from this.

You, my friend, are just someone who had been too deep within the author zone to the point you've wrote so many chaps and released them already. I won't lie, I was surprised by the numbers. What unsettled me was that not many people are reading your works. If you're really doing something nice for your novels, I'm sure readers would come to check you. But no, people doesn't seem to like your works.

Now look at my recently published novel. The one on my signature with a guy typing on a hologram laptop.

It got two hundreds views and eleven readers. I haven't even posted up to ten chapters yet. You see what I mean?

It is what it is.

That's that and this is this.
then you're better than me.
and I'm happy for you.
I can tell you at least one or two reasons, why I have so many words and chapters, and so little views and readers.

one... I'm really not writing on meta. to market.
not, to web novel market, anyways. I try to write, like the old paperbacks I used to read.
which... was *not* OP MC, isekai, harem stuff. that, is all new to me.

two... I don't write in what I call "web novel style"
1500 word chapters. I was writing 5k to 10k chapters. I cut down to 5k as a semi hard limit, to better fall into WN standards.
I don't write in one sentence paragraphs, which seems to be the standard deal.
again, it might well be my writing quality is not up to snuff?
but... I'm not writing what and how WN readers expect. Honestly, I write a lot more, like trad pub. which is different.

I'm trying to adapt.
My one I'm working on now? Isekai. My own take on it. I never wrote to WN market before.
Everything's all... my goblin girlfriend has been isekai'd into my neighbor's dog... (making a joke, but)
that's what all this is like, coming into it cold.

admit it. as good as you are?
what would you expect, if you wrote something, like... a 1990's investigation noir novel.
not *really* something "goblin slayer" and "OPMC isekai" fans would click on and read now, is it.

my new one I'm working on?
Isekai.
I want to see if I can do better, because Isekai is on target to WN readers.
I wanna see if I can get more results, writing in "trad pub" style but in market genre.

look. you, nolff.
you're better than me? cool beans.
you wanna tell me I suck? I'm not mad. Its your opinion. again, cool beans.

me? I really wouldn't *benefit* from what I'm proposing now, would I.
but you? better than me. with a real chance. You, would benefit.
and no. I'm not an "attention parrot" or whatever.
I just feel as if there's advantages to be had, and everyone is passing them up, letting other groups have all these advantages.
and since I suck so bad, as you claim. and that may well be so.
this would benefit me? really, not at all.

this? what I proposed.
it would benefit... *you*
the better writer.

remember. I said. We should *vote* on who the best writers to represent us, were.
I *know* it wouldn't be me win that vote.
but, you? hundreds of readers, with only ten chapters, as you flexed.
I guess... you would win that vote. not, me.

so. here's you. gratuitously insulting my writing. which, I don't care. That's fine. By WN standards? I'm clueless.
so. here's *me*. trying, to design a system? that benefits me, not at all. It would benefit? y-o-u. The better writer.

and as far as attacking my grammar and typing, when I'm typing fast and informal, not editing.
that has *nothing* to do, with my idea and proposition.

I'm trying to help y-o-u, nolf.
not myself.

maybe, you can see that.
 

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then you're better than me.
and I'm happy for you.
I can tell you at least one or two reasons, why I have so many words and chapters, and so little views and readers.

one... I'm really not writing on meta. to market.
not, to web novel market, anyways. I try to write, like the old paperbacks I used to read.
which... was *not* OP MC, isekai, harem stuff. that, is all new to me.

two... I don't write in what I call "web novel style"
1500 word chapters. I was writing 5k to 10k chapters. I cut down to 5k as a semi hard limit, to better fall into WN standards.
I don't write in one sentence paragraphs, which seems to be the standard deal.
again, it might well be my writing quality is not up to snuff?
but... I'm not writing what and how WN readers expect. Honestly, I write a lot more, like trad pub. which is different.

I'm trying to adapt.
My one I'm working on now? Isekai. My own take on it. I never wrote to WN market before.
Everything's all... my goblin girlfriend has been isekai'd into my neighbor's dog... (making a joke, but)
that's what all this is like, coming into it cold.

admit it. as good as you are?
what would you expect, if you wrote something, like... a 1990's investigation noir novel.
not *really* something "goblin slayer" and "OPMC isekai" fans would click on and read now, is it.

my new one I'm working on?
Isekai.
I want to see if I can do better, because Isekai is on target to WN readers.
I wanna see if I can get more results, writing in "trad pub" style but in market genre.

look. you, nolff.
you're better than me? cool beans.
you wanna tell me I suck? I'm not mad. Its your opinion. again, cool beans.

me? I really wouldn't *benefit* from what I'm proposing now, would I.
but you? better than me. with a real chance. You, would benefit.
and no. I'm not an "attention parrot" or whatever.
I just feel as if there's advantages to be had, and everyone is passing them up, letting other groups have all these advantages.
and since I suck so bad, as you claim. and that may well be so.
this would benefit me? really, not at all.

this? what I proposed.
it would benefit... *you*
the better writer.

remember. I said. We should *vote* on who the best writers to represent us, were.
I *know* it wouldn't be me win that vote.
but, you? hundreds of readers, with only ten chapters, as you flexed.
I guess... you would win that vote. not, me.

so. here's you. gratuitously insulting my writing. which, I don't care. That's fine. By WN standards? I'm clueless.
so. here's *me*. trying, to design a system? that benefits me, not at all. It would benefit? y-o-u. The better writer.

and as far as attacking my grammar and typing, when I'm typing fast and informal, not editing.
that has *nothing* to do, with my idea and proposition.

I'm trying to help y-o-u, nolf.
not myself.

maybe, you can see that.
Oh my f*cking god.

I wasn't even talking about styles. I was talking about... Forget it. Let me just explain you right away so then you understand what I mean.

I want you to understand that yes, I know you're writing for a specific kind of readers. I'm not here to make a comparison of my good writing and your bad writing, even though I am. No, don't even look at me glazing myself. I am dead f*cking serious about this.

I am not trying to prove a point about me being better than you.

I am trying to give you the context: There's something that causes people to draw away from your books. I am pointing a problem occurring to your novels. I'm gonna go down on the technical stuff here, so bear with me and take this advice with a grain of salt.

The grammar of your works is okay, most of the time. The phrasing, how you form words and sentences, how your paragraphs flow, and whatnot, feels so weird that I can't play the scene in my head. Reading a scene and imagining it coming to life is what makes reading fictions fun. But, your books, my friend, feels like it doesn't want to be played. It only wanted to be read and understood on the very basic level of understanding, as if it's a documentary.

Sorry, but if I cannot make sense of it, I'm sure that's why people flock away from your books.

To anyone who wants to help me prove my point, you can read her novels here in her SH profile. Be sure to leave a comment here and there, if you want to help prove my point. https://www.scribblehub.com/profile/243593/tinamigarlo/
 

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guys? I'm not mad.

I'm honestly not trying to do anything for myself.
but admit it.
anyone wants to write Yuri? seems some cabal doesn't *allow* you to.
and they enforce that!
oh well. keep "being the better man", and let them keep you locked out. I don't care.
doesn't benefit me to try to help even things up.

you must all like things the way they are.
we all know, RR is the big market.
Me? I'm no big WN writer (as Nolff so adroitly pointed out. thank you Nolff, I never suspected *wink*)

but... you guys? I mean the ones that have a chance.
you're ONE WRITER, going up against a *team*.
you expect a fair fight, 12 on 1? you;re dreaming.

you're entering a sword fight...
and the other guy has a four foot rapier.
you? have a one foot rapier.
I'm trying to give you the extra three feet, to make it fair.

it helps you guys, not really me.

but, whatever. I said my piece.
keep letting yourselves get pushed to the back of the line.
your competition, ain't fighting fair.
you keep fighting fair? its not working.

don't band together, strength in numbers. like everyone else is doing.
why should I argue to try to get you to help yourselves.
I don't get anything out of it.

Nolff? No hard feelings on my part.
I see "nolff" on any novel at any other site?
I give you love. 5 stars.

I'm outta here.
I got another chapter top edit. which sucks, by the way.
but you know what? I'm gonna edit it anyways.
peace.
 

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I just feel as if there's advantages to be had, and everyone is passing them up, letting other groups have all these advantages.
I think the main problem I have with these suggestions is that I don't see these things as benefits.

waves of positive comments.
waves of five stars.
waves of readers. Hey, if you just skim down? it counts.
Look at these. Are these things really benefits?

Waves of false positive comments from people who don't actually care about your work?
Waves of five stars by people who didn't bother reading your work?
Waves of readers who just skim down the page because that's all it takes to count as a valid read?

Aren't these just drugs to get us addicted to the things that don't really matter?

Second of all, you seem to have this strange idea that we're fighting other sites. But the views, reviews, and ratings from RR don't affect views, reviews, and ratings here. They're completely separate. Our competition is solely other novels on Scribblehub. Therefore, it doesn't make any sense to bring in the workings of other sites and compare it to Scribblehub.
 

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Oh my f*cking god.

I wasn't even talking about styles. I was talking about... Forget it. Let me just explain you right away so then you understand what I mean.

I want you to understand that yes, I know you're writing for a specific kind of readers. I'm not here to make a comparison of my good writing and your bad writing, even though I am. No, don't even look at me glazing myself. I am dead f*cking serious about this.

I am not trying to prove a point about me being better than you.

I am trying to give you the context: There's something that causes people to draw away from your books. I am pointing a problem occurring to your novels. I'm gonna go down on the technical stuff here, so bear with me and take this advice with a grain of salt.

The grammar of your works is okay, most of the time. The phrasing, how you form words and sentences, how your paragraphs flow, and whatnot, feels so weird that I can't play the scene in my head. Reading a scene and imagining it coming to life is what makes reading fictions fun. But, your books, my friend, feels like it doesn't want to be played. It only wanted to be read and understood on the very basic level of understanding, as if it's a documentary.

Sorry, but if I cannot make sense of it, I'm sure that's why people flock away from your books.

To anyone who wants to help me prove my point, you can read her novels here in her SH profile. Be sure to leave a comment here and there, if you want to help prove my point. https://www.scribblehub.com/profile/243593/tinamigarlo/
which book, which chapter did you read.
why don't you let me pick one of my more *recently* edited chapters, that's a better example.
there's some stuff there, that's unedited to how I edit now, from a couple years ago.

nolff? the quality of my writing. is *not* the point of all this. Its neither here nor there.

I keep saying it... this? what I propose. Will not really benefit me!
It would, however... benefit the better writers.
how in the world, is it in any way logical. That the quality of my writing, affects the logic of my argument.
in no way whatsoever.

from what L1aei said? *anyone* here (better writers then me, I'm quite sure)
if they want to write yuri?
They're not *allowed* !!
some, discord cabal? Enforces it!

you like living like that? Fine.

you like going up against a coordinated team, as one man? again, fine. Keep doing it.

you like entering a sword fight with a one foot sword, and everyone else has a four foot sword?
more power to you.

you enjoy starting the monopoly game with 200 dollars, as per the rules? and the other players are getting 10,000 to start with.
fine by me.

the quality, or the lack thereof, of my writing? does not affect my logic of what I propose, one single iota.

once more. this benefits me? not at all.
it would only benefit, the better writers. who actually have a chance.
 

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You won't believe the fights I've gotten into with so-called authors on Royal Road
It's funny. Every time someone mentions RR, I think to myself, "eh, it's probably not that bad. It's all just an exaggeration based upon one or two bad eggs." So I probably wouldn't believe it. :blob_teehee:

Edit: for context I don't use RR. I have no idea what it's like so I only get my knowledge from other forumers here.
 

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which book, which chapter did you read.
why don't you let me pick one of my more *recently* edited chapters, that's a better example.
there's some stuff there, that's unedited to how I edit now, from a couple years ago.

nolff? the quality of my writing. is *not* the point of all this. Its neither here nor there.

I keep saying it... this? what I propose. Will not really benefit me!
It would, however... benefit the better writers.
how in the world, is it in any way logical. That the quality of my writing, affects the logic of my argument.
in no way whatsoever.

from what L1aei said? *anyone* here (better writers then me, I'm quite sure)
if they want to write yuri?
They're not *allowed* !!
some, discord cabal? Enforces it!

you like living like that? Fine.

you like going up against a coordinated team, as one man? again, fine. Keep doing it.

you like entering a sword fight with a one foot sword, and everyone else has a four foot sword?
more power to you.

you enjoy starting the monopoly game with 200 dollars, as per the rules? and the other players are getting 10,000 to start with.
fine by me.

the quality, or the lack thereof, of my writing? does not affect my logic of what I propose, one single iota.

once more. this benefits me? not at all.
it would only benefit, the better writers. who actually have a chance.
Alr then, you may show me the edited chaps.

And yeah, sure. I'd rather be on my own and post weekly than to group up with other writers. I mean, look at Assurbanipal. Bro got onto the trending lists often here, and sometimes his fic on RR got trending too. And that's without the help of groups.

If you really want this to be 'your's yours, mine's mine' business, then go for it. I won't discourage you anymore. I'll just see this develop and fall from the sideline.
 

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Claiming a work is only popular because of cliques, aggressive marketing, or Satanic chanting is pure copium. Wait. What is this thread actually about? I spaced out after the first two sentences and just assumed the rest, sorry.
 

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I think the main problem I have with these suggestions is that I don't see these things as benefits.


Look at these. Are these things really benefits?

Waves of false positive comments from people who don't actually care about your work?
Waves of five stars by people who didn't bother reading your work?
Waves of readers who just skim down the page because that's all it takes to count as a valid read?

Aren't these just drugs to get us addicted to the things that don't really matter?

Second of all, you seem to have this strange idea that we're fighting other sites. But the views, reviews, and ratings from RR don't affect views, reviews, and ratings here. They're completely separate. Our competition is solely other novels on Scribblehub. Therefore, it doesn't make any sense to bring in the workings of other sites and compare it to Scribblehub.
everyone knows, that RR is where the big market is. Its not anything I can aspire to.
but for those that have it within their ability?
those things you list, and claim they're worthless.
worthless here, sure.
but on RR, where the big market is... it levels the playing field for anyone trying there.
 

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Claiming a work is only popular because of cliques, aggressive marketing, or Satanic chanting is pure copium. Wait. What is this thread actually about? I spaced out after the first two sentences and just assumed the rest, sorry.
Boyo wanted to make a group where people support each other stories and give five stars to each other, much like the group on RR which I don't know the name of.
 
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