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Gakemikazuchi

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So, is it just me or do I feel like when you write a harem story, you should have the end game where all the harem members get together with the MC. Because, like, why write a harem in the first place if not everyone gets to be with the MC? Just so we can see some of girls get broken hearted? I don't know, just my thoughts :blob_cookie:
 

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Yes, Gakemikazuchi, it's very much one thing I wondered about the harem stories. *ahem* Not that I read any excessive amount of them *ahem*. But I also have a recommendation for a story for this thought.

My story for Adventum, "Treating Slaves Right!", is going the harem route definitely. Of course, in-story it's a fact of the birth ratio being 3 females to 1 male already; so a female in the world wanting to be in a relationship is accepting of this fact. Current chapter I'm editing before publish goes into the reasoning of the deities in centuries previous to current time.

In my context though, it's also a willing harem where the wives are meant to be 'equal' in domestic matters, with only the first wife being 'required' via custom to birth the children; although other wives will of course want children (and the inheritance rights) from the husband. My story could be messy with plots in the future; but for now it's more the kind of thing where all women want to be part of the harem/marriage, for the stability of it.

In contrast it's the male MC's choice of who to pick (and trust me, he's not backing down from the harem/polygamy relationships). No MC who cannot commit, in this story! So he merely has to take the time to think which one(s) he wants. Human, beastkin, monstrous, demon, any. (But since it's written around the 'kingdom building' theme, it's a matter of me concentrating on setting up a settlement and growing its population/residents.)
 

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It depends on how you plan it for your novel. For me, I'm going for a harem end with everyone's relationship to the mc has a proper build-up.
 

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It's like, my line of thinking is like this.

You have two choices when you start a harem story, either everyone ends up with the MC (polygamy ending) or none of them does (abstinence ending) this way, either everyone is happy, or no one is. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
 

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So, is it just me or do I feel like when you write a harem story, you should have the end game where all the harem members get together with the MC. Because, like, why write a harem in the first place if not everyone gets to be with the MC? Just so we can see some of girls get broken hearted? I don't know, just my thoughts :blob_cookie:
Either dick down every one, or dick down none at all.

Thats my motto
 

RepresentingCaution

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Why not just make all of them get together with the MC in the beginning? At least that's how I'm going to do my story :blob_reach:
My story starts with most of the relationships already established, and then I add more.

To make it real though, you can't have everything work out all the time. Polyamory is magical, but it won't fix everything.

Sometimes, people are simply incompatible and part ways. Sometimes, they have different life goals. Sometimes we can be friends afterwards, and sometimes we drift apart.

Sometimes, our ex-boyfriend hides his meth habit from us for five years before we find out he was doing that shit every time we went to visit our parents because there was something rotten in the fridge every time we came back home, and the ex doesn't normally waste food like that, but meth suppresses the appetite, and we've never personally taken meth, so this baffled us until one day we refused to visit our parents, and his meth habit surfaced. Sometimes, we stay in contact with our ex for about a year and decide we don't want to hear from him again when he calls us on our birthday and we're in bed with someone else and that someone else has to get up for work early the next day, so we don't want our ex calling whenever he damn well pleases.

Sometimes, our boyfriend dies, and we refuse to call him an ex because we never broke up with him before he died. His widow isn't calling him her ex-husband, so we're not calling him our ex-boyfriend. He's her dead husband and our dead boyfriend.

Sometimes, we run off to spend two months in Hawaii with our friend with benefits, and then we don't see him for two more years, and then suddenly he moves in with us, and the next thing we know, we're married and pregnant.

Sometimes, our lover calls us on the phone to tell us how to deal with our morning sickness, and it's good to keep in touch because we haven't seen him since the pandemic started.

Sometimes, our other lover kinda offers to move in with us, and our husband thinks that's a great idea because he perceives our other lover as more financially stable, but he's job hunting at the moment, so . . .

?
 

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As established, humans are greedy creatures. They crave to be special, especially emotionally. There's no way a harem (at least one that is of calibre with these Japanese novels) can exist without a wrench thrown into the clockwork in the form of a jealous mate.

So with that out of the way, we can safely say that harems are generally unrealistic, which means you can do whatever the fuck you want with it as long as it makes sense within the context of the universe.

And by whatever the fuck you want I mean "full harem ending or riot"
 

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It's like, my line of thinking is like this.

You have two choices when you start a harem story, either everyone ends up with the MC (polygamy ending) or none of them does (abstinence ending) this way, either everyone is happy, or no one is. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
I agree with this. And the main challenge of the mc is how to stabilize the relationship with all these women.
 

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As a yuri-fan, I would prefer a ending where the girls realize that their fighting about MC has led to them getting closer and they all come together.
But honestly, the worst ending is in my opinion a status-quo-ending, in which nothing was resolved. Why even bother?
 

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Yes, please end up with all the harem members. Unless you're trying to go some sort of intense drama psychological route or something where the harem is there for more than just the fantasy of having a harem and you try to subvert/deconstruct the genre and blahblah, I will prefer the ultimate harem ending 100% of the time. Though, I would take it one step further and say to end up with a poly ending instead of a harem ending. By that, I mean make it so that the girls all like each other, too.
1. You get yuri between the girls that the "harem" protagonist gets to enjoy. Also there's a huge overlap between people who like to see girls make out and people who want to have a harem of girls.
2. It makes your "harem" go from probably unrealistic and borderline impossible to uncommon but realistic. The chances of a bunch of girls being willing to share one guy while having no romantic feelings for each other as well is extremely low and never really happens without some sort of sociopath-tier manipulating going on. Or a lot of money to the point where none of them care about you, only your money. However, if you make the waifus of the harem actually love each other as much as they love the MC, then congratulations, you have a poly "harem" where you can still only have one guy in it and it would actually be realistic. Is it common? No. Are there real poly relationships like this that have multiple women and one man in them? Yes. There are also plenty of the opposite.
 

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Just so we can see some of girls get broken hearted?
There exists people with such fetishes and though I'm not one to kink-shame, if you were to be evicted from the genepool, there won't be much sympathy from me.
 

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I like dem harems happy. If it ain't tragedy, drama, psycho tag, let it be fun stuff. Obviously built properly with some development.
 

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So, is it just me or do I feel like when you write a harem story, you should have the end game where all the harem members get together with the MC. Because, like, why write a harem in the first place if not everyone gets to be with the MC? Just so we can see some of girls get broken hearted? I don't know, just my thoughts :blob_cookie:

Yeah, that's what I'm doing in my story.

Even my one-shot talks about it.
 

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Just so we can see some of girls get broken hearted?
Just so we can sell more merchandise for each of the girls :blob_party:

A lot of those "pick one at the end"-harems are just the capitalistic new form of the old love triangle. But instead of two character archetypes, you now can have five. So no matter whether it's the lovers of the big breasted Genki Girl, the connoisseurs of the flat chested but intelligent Yamato Nadeshiko, or the people who want to get kicked by the blond Tsundere, everyone has a figurine they can buy. Also you get a lot of conflict and discussion, which not only brings more traffic, but lets you sell the "if stories" for all the other heroines.


And with that out of the way: I totally agree. Give me my true harem ending or I won't even bother anymore. If I want drama, I read a good love triangle with fleshed out characters and not a harem with five cardboard cutouts without real personality. Even worse as for most of those shows you already know the winner from the first few episodes/chapters anyway... :blob_facepalm:

Anyway... I agree. Though I am someone who likes tension and conflict during the story to force more development inside the harem, I mostly go for true harem endings nowadays. There were some non-harem endings I enjoyed, but in those the other girls felt more like additional fanservice or obstacles to the final pairing...
 

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Either bonk everyone or none at all. i like your way of thinking, man ?
 
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