About signing a contract

RepresentingPride

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I really do not understand how do they enforce those contracts. I am a lawyer, and I do not understand the fear of them; I honestly would probably sign it and get money for a while, and when I am burned out and can't write at the speed they want, I would stop publishing in Webnovel and post it elsewhere. They would literally have to hire a lawyer from my country, go to a court inside my country, and sue me there. This would cost them a lot more than a web novel. There is no way of enforcing that contract, at least in most countries. And how would they prove in court that the one posting it elsewhere is me? It makes no sense.
When you sign the contract you have to give your real identity with a prove. And since it's tencent who own Webnovel, I think they may have lawyer in each country.
 

Rodri1999

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When you sign the contract you have to give your real identity with a prove. And since it's tencent who own Webnovel, I think they may have lawyer in each country.
Obviously i did not fully write this. It would have taken me hours to write something like this. I wrote an ugly essay with all the information and asked ChatGPT to write it correctly.

The Enforceability and Practical Implications of International Arbitration.

WebNovel, an online platform that publishes novels, mandates dispute resolution through international arbitration. Theoretically, this implies that WebNovel would need to undertake a meticulous legal process to demonstrate a contractual breach if any dispute arises with an author.

International Arbitration and Accessibility:
Most online authors, due to lack of resources, face significant challenges when required to contest in international arbitration located in jurisdictions such as Hong Kong. Consequently, they may find themselves in default, unable to present their case adequately. However, even in default situations, WebNovel bears the burden of proving the breach of contract, a task often complex and necessitating specialized expert testimonies.

Challenges in Proving Breach:
Proving a breach is not only arduous but also financially taxing. The procurement of experts to establish that an author uploaded the story on competing platforms like Wattpad can escalate the costs exponentially. Nevertheless, if WebNovel decides to invest in proving the breach and succeeds, enforcing the arbitral award is the subsequent hurdle they must overcome.

Enforcing Arbitral Awards:
Enforcing an arbitral award predominantly depends on the New York Convention on the Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards, of which the targeted country must be a signatory. Subsequently, WebNovel would need to initiate legal proceedings in the respective country, where national courts would scrutinize the award's compliance with national law. This process can be cumbersome and time-consuming, often extending to at least a year, especially if it demands identifying and locating the individual involved.

Asset Seizure and Legal Evaluation:
Assuming national courts decide to enforce the award, the exact location and assets of the author must be determined, which may entail the disclosure of the author’s address. The enforcement could include seizing assets equivalent to the value of the intellectual property in dispute. Notably, many penalty clauses in such contracts are likely to be deemed disproportionate and thus, unenforceable due to their incongruity with the overall value of the asserted asset (intellectual property).

Conclusion:
While international arbitration clauses like the ones stipulated by WebNovel appear robust on paper, their enforceability is often hampered by practical, legal, and financial constraints. The multifold challenges ranging from proving breach, accessing international forums, and enforcing awards render these clauses less effective, especially when dealing with individuals lacking the resources to engage in international legal battles.

The penalty clauses, often viewed as unbalanced and extravagant in relation to the value of the intellectual property in question, might be met with skepticism in national courts. These inherent limitations and potential legal impracticabilities underscore the need for a more equitable, accessible, and balanced approach to dispute resolution in international online publishing contracts.
 
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Rodri1999

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Obviously i did not fully write this. It would have taken me hours to write something like this. I wrote an ugly essay with all the information and asked ChatGPT to write it correctly.

The Enforceability and Practical Implications of International Arbitration.

WebNovel, an online platform that publishes novels, mandates dispute resolution through international arbitration. Theoretically, this implies that WebNovel would need to undertake a meticulous legal process to demonstrate a contractual breach if any dispute arises with an author.

International Arbitration and Accessibility:
Most online authors, due to lack of resources, face significant challenges when required to contest in international arbitration located in jurisdictions such as Hong Kong. Consequently, they may find themselves in default, unable to present their case adequately. However, even in default situations, WebNovel bears the burden of proving the breach of contract, a task often complex and necessitating specialized expert testimonies.

Challenges in Proving Breach:
Proving a breach is not only arduous but also financially taxing. The procurement of experts to establish that an author uploaded the story on competing platforms like Wattpad can escalate the costs exponentially. Nevertheless, if WebNovel decides to invest in proving the breach and succeeds, enforcing the arbitral award is the subsequent hurdle they must overcome.

Enforcing Arbitral Awards:
Enforcing an arbitral award predominantly depends on the New York Convention on the Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards, of which the targeted country must be a signatory. Subsequently, WebNovel would need to initiate legal proceedings in the respective country, where national courts would scrutinize the award's compliance with national law. This process can be cumbersome and time-consuming, often extending to at least a year, especially if it demands identifying and locating the individual involved.

Asset Seizure and Legal Evaluation:
Assuming national courts decide to enforce the award, the exact location and assets of the author must be determined, which may entail the disclosure of the author’s address. The enforcement could include seizing assets equivalent to the value of the intellectual property in dispute. Notably, many penalty clauses in such contracts are likely to be deemed disproportionate and thus, unenforceable due to their incongruity with the overall value of the asserted asset (intellectual property).

Conclusion:
While international arbitration clauses like the ones stipulated by WebNovel appear robust on paper, their enforceability is often hampered by practical, legal, and financial constraints. The multifold challenges ranging from proving breach, accessing international forums, and enforcing awards render these clauses less effective, especially when dealing with individuals lacking the resources to engage in international legal battles.

The penalty clauses, often viewed as unbalanced and extravagant in relation to the value of the intellectual property in question, might be met with skepticism in national courts. These inherent limitations and potential legal impracticabilities underscore the need for a more equitable, accessible, and balanced approach to dispute resolution in international online publishing contracts.
If you are curious how good Chat GPT is; this is the ugly essay :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
First, it says WebNovel will sue through something called international arbitration. A long process should ensue in which they must prove that you broke their contract.
Most online authors do not have the resources to go to fucking Hong Kong and fight in international arbitration so they would be in default, but even then WebNovel has to prove you broke the clauses, which is extremely hard; they would have to hire experts to do this which would be very expensive and even if WebNovel is willing to spend thousands of dollars proving you were the one who uploaded the story to Wattpad and they win. Then, they have to enforce the arbitral award, which in most cases can only be done in different countries if the country you are in is part of the New York Convention. WebNovel would have to start a process in countries in your own country to enforce it. National courts will evaluate that the award follows national law. Let's say courts in your country go all the way through to annoy you and make you pay 200 bucks that your web novel costs. They now have to find where you live; you probably must give them your address. They will have to seize your assets, which would be 200 bucks. Most penalty clauses in that contract are illegal, and a judge would laugh at how disproportioned they are from the overall cost of the asset (intellectual property). All this process should take them a minimum of a year to do.
 

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You're focusing on the 200 dollars. But what happens when your story is making six figures after you posted it on amazon in breach of contract, and they have the rights to *all of that* plus the fact that you're on the hook for *their* court costs and you live in a country like the USA where they *can* litigate you.
 

John_Owl

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I know someone who did sign the contract.

They didn't care for the story (did what was popular to get more views and consequently more money). It was a legal contract and they did get money. Cue is whether you need that money and if you can write as much as they expect you to.

It's hard work. If you can write a story that purely cathers to the audience, working as a ghostwriter would probably the better option.
I've worked as a ghostwriter. It's definitely not easy work, writing something you have no stake or interest in, aside from the monetary reward. but it was nice, occasionally getting a small cash injection to my budget.
 
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