About AI covers.

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That's why I think people should go crazy with AI instead of trying to imitate a real artist and 'draw' a simple portrait with AI to use as a cover.
ive tried a few times to get AI to render a highway paved with skulls in a red clay/martian desert under a fantasy night sky and it refuses so hard to draw that many skulls and keeps thinking Highway in a desert means i want asphalt and lane dividers. Assuming they even allow the rendering.

GDI you silicon, its supposed to be horrific, its a monument to genocide and the main character, were circumstances just a little bit different, could have been part of it. and its there to emotionally convey the idea of the book's title, as the main character's pave their path through life though their own sin.
 

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ive tried a few times to get AI to render a highway paved with skulls in a red clay/martian desert under a fantasy night sky and it refuses so hard to draw that many skulls and keeps thinking Highway in a desert means i want asphalt and lane dividers. Assuming they even allow the rendering.

GDI you silicon, its supposed to be horrific, its a monument to genocide and the main character, were circumstances just a little bit different, could have been part of it. and its there to emotionally convey the idea of the book's title, as the main character's pave their path through life though their own sin.
What you said and what I said aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, your reply only reinforces my take. You want a very precise thing, you have a vision, and it is something an AI will never be able to do, only artist can.

Instead of going to AI with precise instructions and vision in your head, you should look for an abstract concept that looks cool and eye catching, and hunt for something outstanding. That's obviously only my opinion to a question that has no right or wrong answers.
 

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ive tried a few times to get AI to render a highway paved with skulls in a red clay/martian desert under a fantasy night sky and it refuses so hard to draw that many skulls and keeps thinking Highway in a desert means i want asphalt and lane dividers. Assuming they even allow the rendering.

GDI you silicon, its supposed to be horrific, its a monument to genocide and the main character, were circumstances just a little bit different, could have been part of it. and its there to emotionally convey the idea of the book's title, as the main character's pave their path through life though their own sin.
When the AI doesn’t get what I want, here’s what I do sometimes - I just draw a quick sketch in pencil of what I’m thinking and upload it. Then the AI fills in the details and cleans it up based on my drawing. You could try it too, it might work!
 

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If you get really fancy with the AI sometimes you can get them to put up a pic with like siamese twins joined limbs and stuff like that. Thumbs up.

But... probably readers won't be attracted to siamese twins style art. ;)
 

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If you get really fancy with the AI sometimes you can get them to put up a pic with like siamese twins joined limbs and stuff like that. Thumbs up.

But... probably readers won't be attracted to siamese twins style art. ;)
Yeah. Doing yet another portrait in the same 'artstyle' as hundred others, is it really good? I adressed this question in OP, I know about "if it ain't broke don't fix it." The point wasn't this.
 

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I feel like those average ai covers have to do with the concept that many people just like it average because it gives familiarity, in the same vein as litrpg books having these elements to be part of a trend and not due artistic significant, a trend that makes them more approachable. It makes the product gain a wider appeal basically. Or it is just a way to put more resources elsewhere.

I think it's obvious that I fail to understand the appeal of either as a consumer.
 

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When the AI doesn’t get what I want, here’s what I do sometimes - I just draw a quick sketch in pencil of what I’m thinking and upload it. Then the AI fills in the details and cleans it up based on my drawing. You could try it too, it might work!
anything that can take input data like that that ive found is also subject to content filters that disallow it from actually generating a highway of skulls.
 

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Skill issue I think. Being more imaginative in the prompt can yield vastly different results, even with the same program.

That being said it can only do what it is trained on. So a beautiful waifu it does well, but a turtle playing bagpipes, not so much
 

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Skill issue I think. Being more imaginative in the prompt can yield vastly different results, even with the same program.
It's like the difference between an average person holding a camera against a professional photographer who knows the camera inside out.
 

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There is an expected eventuallity where genAI art starts getting substantially worse. As AI images become more common, the training aggregates start including AI art. As the portion of a training set represented by AI art increases, the AI trained on it becomes much further abstracted from the original concept. If you think AI ears are sloppy, imagine what an AI trained on genAI art of ears (instead of on human ears) would output. However, nobody in the field considers this an immediate problem because for now at least, AI art is still uncommon enough and easy enough to filter out that there is minimal representation of AI art in AI training sets. For the problem of boring covers on SH, I would say whoever chose the images was being lazy.
 

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There is an expected eventuallity where genAI art starts getting substantially worse. As AI images become more common, the training aggregates start including AI art. As the portion of a training set represented by AI art increases, the AI trained on it becomes much further abstracted from the original concept. If you think AI ears are sloppy, imagine what an AI trained on genAI art of ears (instead of on human ears) would output. However, nobody in the field considers this an immediate problem because for now at least, AI art is still uncommon enough and easy enough to filter out that there is minimal representation of AI art in AI training sets. For the problem of boring covers on SH, I would say whoever chose the images was being lazy.
This is already happening.

AI is being fed AI images, causing it to become ...

...inbred, if you will.

That's because "AI" isn't actually AI, it is random at worst, and the collage at best, and it is more clearly visible in the text as it isn't actually intelligent and unable to understand context, or content, resulting to place A next to B because A is placed next to B in 100 cases. Except, it is not what the users, the actual humans, expect it to do, they expect it to learn, to understand what they want, but they are making it worse each time they fed it something that is AI generated. It will never become fully trained, it's impossible.

But since corporate executives are illiterate madmen who want to bloat the sun while relying on solar energy, they think the AI will let them save on manpower, but ...

It literally can't.

Generative "AI" needs constant human input. It can't work without it - like at all.

The "AI" art, or "art", on SH is however something else.

You need to have cover, and it must be pretty, as you won't get readers otherwise.

The readers do not care how much heart you put into stick pictures, they want professional art, they want it now, and they want it for free, otherwise they won't invest any attention for it, hence "AI" art, or "art", is the only option.

Learning to draw professionally is out of question, a most of the authors are amateurs, and they won't learn in any manageable time. If you are a good artist by 20, you were probably drawing since you could hold pencil....

Of course, you could commission art, but that cover cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars, and most of the writers are amateurs that are never going to earn a penny, and cheaper is not an option.

Cheaper is AI generated, and at this point, it is better to write a prompt yourself, and say you did, than paying a scammer pretending to be an artist.... and it truth, even expensive won't save you from false allegations.
 

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This is already happening.

AI is being fed AI images, causing it to become ...

...inbred, if you will.

That's because "AI" isn't actually AI, it is random at worst, and the collage at best, and it is more clearly visible in the text as it isn't actually intelligent and unable to understand context, or content, resulting to place A next to B because A is placed next to B in 100 cases. Except, it is not what the users, the actual humans, expect it to do, they expect it to learn, to understand what they want, but they are making it worse each time they fed it something that is AI generated. It will never become fully trained, it's impossible.

But since corporate executives are illiterate madmen who want to bloat the sun while relying on solar energy, they think the AI will let them save on manpower, but ...

It literally can't.

Generative "AI" needs constant human input. It can't work without it - like at all.

The "AI" art, or "art", on SH is however something else.

You need to have cover, and it must be pretty, as you won't get readers otherwise.

The readers do not care how much heart you put into stick pictures, they want professional art, they want it now, and they want it for free, otherwise they won't invest any attention for it, hence "AI" art, or "art", is the only option.

Learning to draw professionally is out of question, a most of the authors are amateurs, and they won't learn in any manageable time. If you are a good artist by 20, you were probably drawing since you could hold pencil....

Of course, you could commission art, but that cover cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars, and most of the writers are amateurs that are never going to earn a penny, and cheaper is not an option.

Cheaper is AI generated, and at this point, it is better to write a prompt yourself, and say you did, than paying a scammer pretending to be an artist.... and it truth, even expensive won't save you from false allegations.
You do understand this thread isn't about it?
 

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I don't know what kind of portrait of me you got in your head, and I don't want to learn it. I would prefer if people stay on topic and not derail it.
I am not derailing it.

I am telling your demands are both stupid and malicious.
 

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I am not derailing it.

I am telling your demands are both stupid and malicious.
Good reply, bracho.
 
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