A morally bad MC with no sob story

[RepresentingDesire]

Just make the MC evil. Evil people don't do evil things out of necessity or out of circumstance, they just do.

There is a lot of "evil" that is committed out of ideology but there's more evil committed out of necessity or out of circumstances, why do you think is the murderer stereotypically someone with ASPD or sexual child abuser someone with pedophilia (pedophilia is a mental illness), because these circumstances are what per think of when does things happen, funnily enough to my knowledge neither mental illness is involved in the majority of these crimes. Furthermore why is it then that the less wealthy people (especially in countries with big money unequality) have more criminal behavior than more wealthy families. I didn’t write poor people because less wealthy people shows better how big the spectra I'm referring to is.

For example, sending missiles to school, hospital, and churches then justify it as necessary because terrorists are hiding there? That's cowardice, not evil.

That's basic war time politics, being honest is just most of the time complete stupidity especially when it's socially acceptable as evil.

Evil people don't need to hide or defend their evil actions and the intent behind them.

If they can live as a wanted criminal they sure can.

You can solve this problem by not posting on RR because everything breach their ToS.

And make the story evil vs evil with whatever the mc doing is actually good if you squint compared to his enemy because he is lawful evil not chaotic evil type of person.

There is place for such stories but it can be fast more of a anti-hero story.

 

[Enkiari]

You can solve this problem by not posting on RR because everything breach their ToS.

And make the story evil vs evil with whatever the mc doing is actually good if you squint compared to his enemy because he is lawful evil not chaotic evil type of person.

I am... Not sure where RR comes into this. Even SH is not exempt from avoiding the worst offenders when it comes to truly heinous stuff. Nor is Inkit, Honeyfeed, Wattpad or most others. I have heard WebNovel have more 'evil things' on it, but also doesn't allow a lot of other topics.

Any site that is ad-dependent is not allowing the stories to go down the truly evil path. And I am not even talking just 'smut' related topics. I am referring to what people consider taboo. Things like cannibalism, graphic depictions of mutilation, torture and indulging in other 'forbidden' topics.
I am not talking 'touching' on these topics. I mean stories that are focused on those aspects.

There likely are some, but they would get removed if someone reported those.

Also. As another person pointed out - it seems like you are talking about anti-heroes in the other part of the response.

 

[OokamiOkuri]

What I mean by morally bad are two things; actively performing nefarious deeds upon undeserving targets and being the first one to initiate the aggression.

The meaning is as below:
1. Actively Perform Nefarious Deeds: rob/ steal/ torture/ murder/ rape etc. Any act that is labelled as a crime in Geneva and general law, it is nefarious
2. Undeserving Targets: this is subjective, but often relates to those that is not antagonizing the MC.
3. First One to Initiate the Aggression: this is difficult to state because as many CN MCs would say "when you climb up the ranks, get ready to offend people." In many cases, the antagonizing forces often see themselves as the victims rather than the aggressors as MC just swoops in to "take their jobs/ steal their fruit etc." In most of the above stated cases however, MCs are often depicted as understanding and therefore, not the first one to sling insults upon others.

Second, I get that the sob story aka sad backstory to justify is to make readers sympathize and relate with MC, therefore increasing audience engagement. Even Daoist Gu does it with the opening of "Fang Yuan suffered through the harsh world, understood the dog-eat-dog truth and becomes the incorrigible scoundrel many edgy fans relate to."

Thirdly, for bad guy MCs, there is Boxxy in ELLC, it is not a human, does not have humanity, therefore any bad things it commit is sort of omitted.

In conclusiob, there really isn't any morally bad MCs out there that doesn't have sad backstory or isn't forced against their will to be bad such as in a CN with a lich that got a Villain System. I get that no readers other than true psychos would enjoy reading a bad guy's journey of continuously being bad, but I am now ranting because I am tired slightly as to how writers would do an evil MC; by having the evil performed offscreen and only showing the "good" to the readers.

If you have the time and motivation, would you be the change the world need and write your own story? I would love to read your attempt on doing an evil MC.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Oh - if you're into print fiction, the Flashman Papers (a series of books by George MacDonald Fraser) have a morally reprehensible (and proud of it) hero - they are told with a wild sense of humor to make it all bearable. It is sort of "fan fiction" as Harry Flashman first appears as a side character in "Tom Brown's School Days" (a novel from about fifty years before Fraser was born).

 

[AuroraAvengarde]

Mostly it's about target audience. In Mass Effect, 92% of players chose Paragon in any given moment. That's a game you can play multiple times, so only 8% Renegade is kinda telling. (Mass Effect would be the dick without sob backstory)

People want to read about good guys. So even if they are villains, they are good guys. Kinda.

But, as every niche, you can target the ones that want to read a good villain story, me included. I like the stories, where the MC is pragmatic and doesn't care about morals. If the murder is the best action, they'll take it. Kill babies? Sure. Rip the dogs' throat, because it would bark at you when you rob the house? Well...

This is pretty accurate.

Its an interesting take on Good vs Evil and Human Morality as a whole.

 

[Seaspecter]

The only story I can think of off the top of my head is The Saga of Tanya the Evil.