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@Anon2024 ooooo that’s a really interesting take. Do you believe that the allowance of free will to be a burden too great for the non-divine?

I believe that peace, success through non-resistance, to be an important aspect of the divine that is not often grasped by humans. A human who chooses to not to draw a sword in the face of death will die, will bleed, but proves a belief in something greater than life that empowers others to...

I believe that evil is necessary to highlight good, as otherwise there is only the great neutrality of the universe. Both evil and good are measurements of life, but death is measured by God. As such, evil is no longer a necessity

To the bloodshed part, I usually see it as necessitated by the evil in man, which will not stop until it sinks its claws into goodness to try to rip it apart. Goodness needs to be torn but not broken to prove it’s immortality as an unconquerable force carried on through those struggling to...

@Anon2024 I think this has been a very interesting conversation and I appreciate your explanation of your views! It’s crazy how many different interpretations of things there are. I just wanted to mention how nice this was because I appreciate peaceful talks about religion

I don’t trust Dune’s spice and water of life, I don’t trust their religious practices, I don’t trust their promises

It’s really interesting to me as well because I view Heaven as something completely after death, completely unable to be attained on an earthly level before the natural end of the world (I believe we will attain a scientific end of worlds before a religious one), and as such I view any promises...

@Anon2024 Interesting! I believe more in the eternal struggle to attain a state of goodness and the necessity of a life well-lived to gain immortality. I’ve come to peace with myself and my religion with the explicit acknowledgment that I may end up being wrong in the end regarding any or all of...

The more violent approach will leave a power vacuum in his wake that I believe is just as dangerous as the Bene Gesserit’s chokehold

I believe that much of Catholicism’s tenets missed in Paul’s rise to power was a need for humans to earn godliness through strict adherence to a moral code of conduct that can be influenced over time (as a form of manipulation of the populace)

I think that Paul is limited by his reliance on future visions and that martyrdom would have had a more positive overall effect on humanity. A God-figure cannot live among people, as it breeds over reliance on said figure and leads to tyranny.

Correction: I meant Spice + Water of life leading to vision things^

@Anon2024 I actually agree with everything you’ve said so far, I just view Paul’s reliance on the Spice and visions to be falling into the trap of fulfilling the Bene Gesserits’ plans while attempting to thwart the empire (…who is basically controlled by the Bene Gesserits)

@Anon2024 I can agree on that, I just view Paul as having important differentiations from a Christ-figure due to the later pursuit of violence rather than acceptance of martyrdom (specifically at the turning point of entering the fundamentalist South)

Also, quick summary as I’ve already probably talked too much: I view Spice as a limited future predicted by the sensibilities of the human minds’ unlocked through the past, which is larger exclusive of those outside of the Bene Gesserit core, which leads to a limited future prediction that is...

@Anon2024 what brand of Christianity did you get? I got the Catholic kind also, can you elaborate a bit? I will pause my word vomit lol

Now, Paul is filling the void of a God, albeit a man-made one. His drinking of the water of life is that experience by his Mother, who described the experience as transferring the pain of thousands of years.

Moving on to my next point: 2. the inheritability of the divine right and prophecy as genetic manipulation and transference of generational pain

Now, I believe this positions Paul as God of the religion, rather than the Messiah. The Messiah in the Christian belief system emphasized human-ness aligned with divinity, not a one-man show.

Paul presents as a Messiah figure in a religion without a God, in a position where he, but not the followers, recognize the religion as merely a manipulative tool.