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Freesia.Cutepearl

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Firstly, it's not being Lazy, to need the link, because as far as I've seen the forum profile is different and does not link to the profile page with your stories. The only way I know of is to go to the main site and search for the same username and hope you find it. You can make a signature and put your story in it too if you want to promote it a bit more.

Second, I'm very much an amateur, but I think I can share a few things from stuff I feel like I've learned in writing my first story here, as well as just give my personal feedback.

The chapters seem very short. I did notice you posted all three today. In the beginning, it does seem to good to have a few chapters so people can get an idea of the story. But, with how short yours are, all three combined probably barely matches what seems to be the low end of one chapter's average for stories I've read on here.

Most of the backstory chapter doesn't really feel like it adds to the story at all. It's mostly just describing a series of events without really talking about who the characters are at all or giving any sense of what his normal life is like. I can't think of exactly how to word this properly, but it feels very sterile, and barebones.

The entire backstory chapter really only contains the following information:
  • Aris visited his mom
  • He fell asleep in his old room waiting for a new chapter of a web novel to release
  • He woke up early and went to visit his stepsister
  • His stepsister is a mechanic named Flora
  • Flora got trapped under a car she was working on
  • Aris rushed to help her without paying attention crossing the street and is hit by a car
Aside from the fact he likes to read web novels nothing is really established about his personality or life. You could summarize the entire scenario into a paragraph or two and go straight into the stuff in Chapter 1. Or if you want to explore his normal life it could be expanded, and actually talk about the characters, their interactions and personalities.

Chapter 1 is where you describe the main character, it feels like that would have been better to have in the backstory, along with all the information about Aris' likes and dislikes, etc.

Your paragraph lengths are inconsistent. This is somewhat of a personal preference, but it also helps with readability. Some of them are a bit long in chapter 1, and a few are shorter. You can re-arrange things to make them be more uniform. In chapter 2 you have some really long paragraphs. I'm not saying they all need to be exactly a certain length, just, some consistency and smaller on average.

For example, take this excerpt from chapter 1:

‘Hah! I’m probably dead aren’t I?’ Aris thought.

As Aris tries to get up, he suddenly doesn’t feel his wounds, as if they never happened. He feels a strong wind behind him, as he turns around to face the wind, the world turns white.

‘Yep, definitely dead, that’s probably why i don’t feel pain anymore too.’ Aris thought again.

You could re-arrange it to something like this perhaps:

‘Hah! I’m probably dead aren’t I?’ Aris thought, before trying to get up, he suddenly doesn’t feel his wounds, as if they never happened.

He feels a strong wind behind him, as he turns around to face the wind, he thought ‘Yep, definitely dead, that’s probably why I don’t feel pain anymore too,’ as the world turns white.

Here's another example:

But what actually happened is that his conscience influenced his surroundings—just like a dream—and caused the world to turn white. Above Aris is a infinitely dimensional abject—the focal point of reality. This object also experiences influence just like the surroundings, just after the car accident, he subconsciously wanted to see a bright sky but didn’t want the sun in his eyes, so he never saw it when he first appeared.

Many hours pass by like days, while Aris explores what he expects to be an infinite expanse of white. Hunger starts to set in and Aris panics, running around trying to find anything, alas he gains nothing except tiredness, even after more then a days worth of searching. The only thing on Aris’s mind is food and water, which he immediately finds after falling on the ground due to tiredness. Aris doesn’t believe his eyes, as he sorts out his emotions after seeing the thing he wanted most right now. After 10 or so seconds of being stunned after seeing the focal point of reality—now a juicy peach that quenches thirst and hunger. Immediately after he recovers from shock he lunges at the floating fruit and eats it, leaving nothing, not even the core. After eating nothing for more then a day of non-stop running, he feels incredible satisfaction.

Could become:

But what actually happened is that his conscience influenced his surroundings—just like a dream—and caused the world to turn white. Above Aris is a infinitely dimensional abject—the focal point of reality. This object also experiences influence just like the surroundings, just after the car accident, he subconsciously wanted to see a bright sky but didn’t want the sun in his eyes, so he never saw it when he first appeared.

Many hours pass by like days, while Aris explores what he expects to be an infinite expanse of white. Hunger starts to set in and Aris panics, running around trying to find anything, alas he gains nothing except tiredness, even after more then a days worth of searching. The only thing on Aris’s mind is food and water, which he immediately finds after falling on the ground due to tiredness. Aris doesn’t believe his eyes, as he sorts out his emotions after seeing the thing he wanted most right now.

After 10 or so seconds of being stunned after seeing the focal point of reality—now a juicy peach that quenches thirst and hunger. Immediately after he recovers from shock he lunges at the floating fruit and eats it, leaving nothing, not even the core. After eating nothing for more then a day of non-stop running, he feels incredible satisfaction.

I didn't change the words at all for the second example, you could do so to streamline things a bit further if you wanted, but just simply altering what you group together can make it much easier to read.


I won't lie, I found it very hard to read. Part of it is the formatting, but also, sometimes I had to reread some parts a few times to make some sense of it. Part of it might just be me, I can't really say. The formatting thing though is a definite, objective thing that can improve readability. The wording and what not is more subjective, and I don't really feel like I have enough experience to comment much on it, other than just saying I, personally had a hard time at some points.

As for spelling and grammar, I've been experimenting with the Grammarly extension for chrome, it shows up in the editor on scribblehub, it can also integrate with google docs. Sometimes it doesn't understand what I'm trying to do or makes suggestions that normally would be right but I am ignoring for narrative reasons, say a character speaking in a weird way, or, some word it thinks is a misspelling of a different one.

Still, it's helped me notice a lot of things I used to miss.

That's all I can think of, to mention. Like I said I don't feel like I have enough experience to critique the more subjective elements.

Hope this helps. :blob_melt:
 

Ipaduser123

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Firstly, it's not being Lazy, to need the link, because as far as I've seen the forum profile is different and does not link to the profile page with your stories. The only way I know of is to go to the main site and search for the same username and hope you find it. You can make a signature and put your story in it too if you want to promote it a bit more.

Second, I'm very much an amateur, but I think I can share a few things from stuff I feel like I've learned in writing my first story here, as well as just give my personal feedback.

The chapters seem very short. I did notice you posted all three today. In the beginning, it does seem to good to have a few chapters so people can get an idea of the story. But, with how short yours are, all three combined probably barely matches what seems to be the low end of one chapter's average for stories I've read on here.

Most of the backstory chapter doesn't really feel like it adds to the story at all. It's mostly just describing a series of events without really talking about who the characters are at all or giving any sense of what his normal life is like. I can't think of exactly how to word this properly, but it feels very sterile, and barebones.

The entire backstory chapter really only contains the following information:
  • Aris visited his mom
  • He fell asleep in his old room waiting for a new chapter of a web novel to release
  • He woke up early and went to visit his stepsister
  • His stepsister is a mechanic named Flora
  • Flora got trapped under a car she was working on
  • Aris rushed to help her without paying attention crossing the street and is hit by a car
Aside from the fact he likes to read web novels nothing is really established about his personality or life. You could summarize the entire scenario into a paragraph or two and go straight into the stuff in Chapter 1. Or if you want to explore his normal life it could be expanded, and actually talk about the characters, their interactions and personalities.

Chapter 1 is where you describe the main character, it feels like that would have been better to have in the backstory, along with all the information about Aris' likes and dislikes, etc.

Your paragraph lengths are inconsistent. This is somewhat of a personal preference, but it also helps with readability. Some of them are a bit long in chapter 1, and a few are shorter. You can re-arrange things to make them be more uniform. In chapter 2 you have some really long paragraphs. I'm not saying they all need to be exactly a certain length, just, some consistency and smaller on average.

For example, take this excerpt from chapter 1:



You could re-arrange it to something like this perhaps:



Here's another example:



Could become:



I didn't change the words at all for the second example, you could do so to streamline things a bit further if you wanted, but just simply altering what you group together can make it much easier to read.


I won't lie, I found it very hard to read. Part of it is the formatting, but also, sometimes I had to reread some parts a few times to make some sense of it. Part of it might just be me, I can't really say. The formatting thing though is a definite, objective thing that can improve readability. The wording and what not is more subjective, and I don't really feel like I have enough experience to comment much on it, other than just saying I, personally had a hard time at some points.

As for spelling and grammar, I've been experimenting with the Grammarly extension for chrome, it shows up in the editor on scribblehub, it can also integrate with google docs. Sometimes it doesn't understand what I'm trying to do or makes suggestions that normally would be right but I am ignoring for narrative reasons, say a character speaking in a weird way, or, some word it thinks is a misspelling of a different one.

Still, it's helped me notice a lot of things I used to miss.

That's all I can think of, to mention. Like I said I don't feel like I have enough experience to critique the more subjective elements.

Hope this helps. :blob_melt:
Wow holy crap thats a lot of writing, that probably has more words then my novel. Thanks for the tips.
 

Freesia.Cutepearl

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I can get a bit carried away. I'm good at being verbose. I think my longest chapter is right about 6k words, the shortest about 2.5k, the average is maybe... 3.2k?
 

Ipaduser123

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I can get a bit carried away. I'm good at being verbose. I think my longest chapter is right about 6k words, the shortest about 2.5k, the average is maybe... 3.2k?
I’ve edited my 3 chapters with using some of the advise that you gave me, it’s still short but it should be a lot better. Maybe give it a quick re-read and tell me if it’s better? If not that’s ok your still much appreciate. I don’t really like dialogue scenes nor too much backstory so I’m kind of making things vague, hope no one minds. Oh yeah I’ve visited your novel, it’s a cool novel and I’ve left you a review. Hope you like it!
 

Freesia.Cutepearl

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Thanks. I skimmed over it, I'm a bit tired. It felt a lot easier to read, the first chapter, the second half, the bit with the peach, seemed much better to me, I didn't really understand what was happening before, but it makes more sense now. Chapter 2 seems a lot more readable as well.

Also, my story's writing has flaws, I feel like the later chapters are a bit better than the first ones. I don't want to give the impression that just because I wrote a dozen long chapters and tried to help you that I think my writing is a good example of.. anything. There is some style stuff too, subjective things, that play into it. I'm still trying to grasp the objective stuff. Oh also, on one of my early chapters, I forget which, someone made a detailed comment about 'show don't tell' for writing, it seemed really good, I want to try and work on that, you might find it helpful too.

If you're interested, I feel like, one of the best stories I've read so far on this site, is "The 7th Demon Lord" - I'm too tired now to remember much about the objective bits of how it was written, but the subjective stuff, to me, the characters, and descriptions and plot and all of that, was phenomenal. Definitely think it's worth a read, both for enjoyment and as an example of wonderful character writing, and plot.

Good luck. I'm going to lay down now.
 

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Thanks. I skimmed over it, I'm a bit tired. It felt a lot easier to read, the first chapter, the second half, the bit with the peach, seemed much better to me, I didn't really understand what was happening before, but it makes more sense now. Chapter 2 seems a lot more readable as well.

Also, my story's writing has flaws, I feel like the later chapters are a bit better than the first ones. I don't want to give the impression that just because I wrote a dozen long chapters and tried to help you that I think my writing is a good example of.. anything. There is some style stuff too, subjective things, that play into it. I'm still trying to grasp the objective stuff. Oh also, on one of my early chapters, I forget which, someone made a detailed comment about 'show don't tell' for writing, it seemed really good, I want to try and work on that, you might find it helpful too.

If you're interested, I feel like, one of the best stories I've read so far on this site, is "The 7th Demon Lord" - I'm too tired now to remember much about the objective bits of how it was written, but the subjective stuff, to me, the characters, and descriptions and plot and all of that, was phenomenal. Definitely think it's worth a read, both for enjoyment and as an example of wonderful character writing, and plot.

Good luck. I'm going to lay down now.
ok thanks again, nite
 

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Your tenses are mixed in quite a few places. Sometimes you write in the present tense, and other times you write in the past tense.

Chapter 0

-4 hours later- , |The next morning|

Nothing happens during this entire time. He visits his mom, -4 hours later, he goes to bed, |The next morning|. Why bother writing anything other than him going to visit his stepsister? The only thing we learn before he visits her is he likes reading web novels, and he’s an only child. He’s isekai’d while crossing the street, so does any of that matter anyways?

You can probably say something like:

“MC guy hadn’t seen his stepsister in months. He wasn’t overly attached as she was five years his senior, but he decided to say hello after spending the night at his mother’s home. However, not far from her house, he heard her screaming for help and ran as quickly as possible in her direction.

But he never made it. While crossing the road to answer her desperate pleas, he didn’t notice the truck hurtling towards him. When he opened his eyes next, he was in a different world.”

Chapter 1

He doesn’t seem bothered by the fact that he died. His stepsister was dying under a car, and he doesn’t wonder if she survived or anything about his previous world.
He’s basically running around for days, and we have no idea what he’s doing during that time because you just tell us that its

“MC woke on a grassy plain, bright as day, but with no sun. Lost and confused, he searched for anything or anyone to provide answers. Whether seconds or days passed, he had no idea. The strange space appeared outside of time until he came across a giant peach.

Delusional, starved, and thirsty, MC reached out and pulled the soft peach to his mouth. Sweet and supple, he ate it until only the core remained.”

I didn’t read chapter 2. As for what you’re asking, I think you need to add more detail to the story. I wouldn’t use time skips in the middle of a chapter where you don’t explain anything that happened, and I wouldn’t add things that don’t matter at all, like the majority of chapter 0. You said you don’t like dialogue scenes, and that’s fine, but you’re not providing much in the way of description either.


As for whether you should continue, it’s your story, and I think everyone should continue. As you write more, your style will improve. And hey, you have 17 people after a day who want to read more. So keep plugging away at it, and best of luck.
 

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Your tenses are mixed in quite a few places. Sometimes you write in the present tense, and other times you write in the past tense.

Chapter 0

-4 hours later- , |The next morning|

Nothing happens during this entire time. He visits his mom, -4 hours later, he goes to bed, |The next morning|. Why bother writing anything other than him going to visit his stepsister? The only thing we learn before he visits her is he likes reading web novels, and he’s an only child. He’s isekai’d while crossing the street, so does any of that matter anyways?

You can probably say something like:

“MC guy hadn’t seen his stepsister in months. He wasn’t overly attached as she was five years his senior, but he decided to say hello after spending the night at his mother’s home. However, not far from her house, he heard her screaming for help and ran as quickly as possible in her direction.

But he never made it. While crossing the road to answer her desperate pleas, he didn’t notice the truck hurtling towards him. When he opened his eyes next, he was in a different world.”

Chapter 1

He doesn’t seem bothered by the fact that he died. His stepsister was dying under a car, and he doesn’t wonder if she survived or anything about his previous world.
He’s basically running around for days, and we have no idea what he’s doing during that time because you just tell us that its

“MC woke on a grassy plain, bright as day, but with no sun. Lost and confused, he searched for anything or anyone to provide answers. Whether seconds or days passed, he had no idea. The strange space appeared outside of time until he came across a giant peach.

Delusional, starved, and thirsty, MC reached out and pulled the soft peach to his mouth. Sweet and supple, he ate it until only the core remained.”

I didn’t read chapter 2. As for what you’re asking, I think you need to add more detail to the story. I wouldn’t use time skips in the middle of a chapter where you don’t explain anything that happened, and I wouldn’t add things that don’t matter at all, like the majority of chapter 0. You said you don’t like dialogue scenes, and that’s fine, but you’re not providing much in the way of description either.


As for whether you should continue, it’s your story, and I think everyone should continue. As you write more, your style will improve. And hey, you have 17 people after a day who want to read more. So keep plugging away at it, and best of luck.
alright so as you are clearly the far better writer than me I will copy take inspiration from your well writen dialogue (is it dialogue? im not sure). I really appreciate that random people that i dont know are taking time out of their day just reading my novel and actually telling me how i can make it better! much thanks!
 

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alright so as you are clearly the far better writer than me I will copy take inspiration from your well writen dialogue (is it dialogue? im not sure). I really appreciate that random people that i dont know are taking time out of their day just reading my novel and actually telling me how i can make it better! much thanks!
I never said I was a better writer, nor should you take it that way. There’s nothing special about my writing. You asked for opinions, I gave you mine, that’s all. They’re just opinions. As for what I wrote, it’s not dialogue. I just put it in quotes to separate it from the other text.
 

Freesia.Cutepearl

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I never said I was a better writer, nor should you take it that way. There’s nothing special about my writing. You asked for opinions, I gave you mine, that’s all. They’re just opinions.
This goes for me too!

(P.S. @UYScuti I've been working on improving my own struggles with past/present, I already edited the Prologue where you pointed it out, and in the last few chapters, I've been focusing on it heavily. I'm actually a bit happy as I think my very latest chapter I didn't need to make any corrections[I hope, I could have missed something.])
 

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This goes for me too!

(P.S. @UYScuti I've been working on improving my own struggles with past/present, I already edited the Prologue where you pointed it out, and in the last few chapters, I've been focusing on it heavily. I'm actually a bit happy as I think my very latest chapter I didn't need to make any corrections[I hope, I could have missed something.])
That’s good. Writing in present tense can be quite tricky.
 
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