Little rant

Assurbanipal_II

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I thought this is a rant thread? If you want to discuss the rating system, we have half a dozen threads about that already and the conclusion is pretty much the same in all of them: The rating system is fine as it is.

You think forcing a review is the correct choice? Then nobody is going to give you a rating anymore.
Only reviews for 1*? Why? Why not for 5* as well? There are way more 5*s that are probably just thoughtlessly thrown at a story. Why are they okay but 1* are not?

You guys are putting yourself in public by publishing here. Not everyone is going to like whatever you do and there are plenty douchebags that just throw a 1* at a story out of spite, for trolling or some other inane reason. Ranting is completely fine, I rant as well when it happens. But the rating system is not at fault for that, people are. No matter what you do, people will find a way to abuse it. And that doesn't mean only the readers do so. There are plenty authors who would as well.

Forcing reviews and the like are horrible suggestions, simply because they either create a huge bias if you only enforce them for particular ratings or you simply kill off the majority of ratings. SH is not a place where many people are writing reviews in the first place, but if you want even the most popular stories to have less than twenty ratings, then, go ahead and continue suggesting it.
Oh, or you have tons of reviews that are literally just a "hurrdurr, good story" or "hurrdurr, such trash"
That's just going to cause unnecessary work for Tony who, afaik, checks every single review.

And accountability? Seeing who is rating? Please, dear god, no. That's a huge rabbit hole you don't wanna go into. It's just going to cause a lot of abuse and hounding the raters. Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean others won't. I've already heard quite often how unfriendly some authors are in the comments and how many readers don't even want to comment anymore since they just get a hateful reply from them. You want to get the same shit with ratings? No, please, no.

Just use the search function and read up all those threads where the rating system has already be discussed in detail, since all of that is discussed in those threads already as well. You can't make everyone happy. That's how the world works.
Still waiting for someone to suggest to implement the Bayesian average alongside the regular average in these discussions since it's one of the few things that would be a good suggestion, imo.

Now, for ranting, yeah, it sucks. They're horrible. Go take a break and do something you have fun doing or take some friends and rant an hour or two to them. Helps a lot.
Just do some fun things and try to forget about them.

Yes, because it is always the same people discussing here. If you look at the old threads, they are always the same people on the pro and con side. No wonder nothing changes.
 

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Seeing who is rating? Please, dear god, no. That's a huge rabbit hole you don't wanna go into. It's just going to cause a lot of abuse and hounding the raters. Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean others won't. I've already heard quite often how unfriendly some authors are in the comments and how many readers don't even want to comment anymore since they just get a hateful reply from them. You want to get the same shit with ratings? No, please, no.
tbh all this thread really needed it this thanks chief
 
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Man...RoyalRoad traumas were really something.

That's why I won't be coming back there ever again.

Suggestion: What if every rating has a checklist on what the reader has found nice or not in the story? Not only it would give the author a feedback for his/her work, it would also be easy to the rater to give or express his/her opinion about what he/she read.
 

Assurbanipal_II

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tbh all this thread really needed it this thanks chief

I just see people scared of a little bit of animosity.

Giving 1 star ratings = fine, bear with it.

Getting a negative reply and hat in comments = unacceptable.

If you can bear everything, why can't you bear a little bit of more hate?

I can understand you want to interrupt a cycle of hatred, but please don't hide then behind condescending arguments like jsut bear with it. Lol.
 

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Yes, because it is always the same people discussing here. If you look at the old threads, they are always the same people on the pro and con side. No wonder nothing changes.
And that's a problem where? I remember you being in one or two as well, so that applies to you as well. Also, it's not like you have to convince us.
It's Tony who makes the call for this.

If you want the system to change you have to make a constructive suggestion. Point out the problems, think of solutions, suggest the solutions. People have counter-arguments? Try to think of solutions for those too! Or debunk them! But don't ignore them.
You keep attacking others for hiding behind phrases like "bear with it" and others. But if you want to convince people, no amount of that will ever bear fruit.

If you want to convince me at least, first, go back to my post and address every point I have listed and give me a good, working solution for it. How do you want to create a rating system that is never abuseable by anyone, readers and authors alike. And also every other point that was already listed in all the previous threads.
Unless you can do that, this is truly just a rant and not a discussion at all. You want the system to change, but changing a system is not done by saying "I don't like this!" It is a lot of work and someone has to put in this work. And as long as the big boss here doesn't agree with you, nothing is going to change ever. I repeat, it's not us you have to convince.

There is a good reason this form of rating system is so widespread. But who knows, maybe you will be the one to change the internet by creating the best rating system ever. It's a lot of work, but I believe you can do it, since this is so important to you.
I'll cheer for you.
 

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Man...RoyalRoad traumas were really something.

That's why I won't be coming back there ever again.

Suggestion: What if every rating has a checklist on what the reader has found nice or not in the story? Not only it would give the author a feedback for his/her work, it would also be easy to the rater to give or express his/her opinion about what he/she read.

I mean, whenever I rate a story one star, it's for pretty unique reasons. I don't think a checklist will be enough to sufficiently sum up what makes someone hate it, and it's only going to be an extra few clicks for the trolls, so I don't think it will make a difference.

I just see people scared of a little bit of animosity.

Giving 1 star ratings = fine, bear with it.

Getting a negative reply and hat in comments = unacceptable.

If you can bear everything, why can't you bear a little bit of more hate?

I can understand you want to interrupt a cycle of hatred, but please don't hide then behind condescending arguments like jsut bear with it. Lol.

Bro, you can't breathe on in this Earth without someone hating you. Sometimes you deserve it, sometimes you don't, but it's gonna happen. This naturally extends to writing.

People have been shitting on my work since I was six just because they don't like fantasy, but I don't cry or tear my hair out over them. That's not having "crushed self-esteem" or being "complacent"; it's having solid enough self-esteem to know that what they think doesn't define me or my writing and having enough good sense to separate useful criticism from hate.

Tony removes as many troll one star ratings as he can. After that, that's just what one reader felt about your work. If they're not going to say why, it's not worth stressing over.

If you make a big deal like this, you'll make your readers afraid of you and your reputation will be destroyed. Once that happens, you'll have a hard time getting people to read your books no matter what. It's just not worth it.
Growing thick skin is just part of what it means to be an author.
 

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The moment you said freedom fighters you disqualified yourself. Who said I want to purge them? Where did I say that? Read back what I demand. I have only two so far and they seem completely unreasonable. But instead, you insinuate more than we really want. Accountability is not absence of criticism.
Lol what, where was purging ever brought up? I said you're talking like you wanted to free yourself from negative feedback. You invoked Godwin's law in a rant thread for pete's sake.

Anyway, shaming all people who give ratings by displaying them on their profile will just discourage any dissent, and it'll force the ratings pool to be worse than it already is. The worst stories on this platform are usually rated at least 3.5, and imagine how limited the spread would be if that was contracted to - say, between 4.5 and 5. In that case, the ratings system would be next to useless. With points of points separating stories from being percieved as good or bad, it'd just make the rating system super unreliable.
 

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I give it up. I hope I will have the force to never post something related again to this topic. The best advice most people here give can be summed up as a "grew a thick skin". This is a lost cause on this forum it seems. :blob_evil_two:
 

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You can go to any form or site you will have the same conclusion of "lost cause". Since there will always be people to stand opposite to you.
You will view them as wrong and yourself as correct person and vice versa. This will not change but you can change your thinking and mature.
You can rant all you want many others will also join you ... Frustration is a common thing... But saying that you want the system to be changed just based on that you are getting bad rating, is not a solution. It's same with people giving you 1 star rating and labeling it as trash... In this way you are same as them, not giving a solution only labeling it bad.
 

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You can go to any form or site you will have the same conclusion of "lost cause". Since there will always be people to stand opposite to you.
You will view them as wrong and yourself as correct person and vice versa. This will not change but you can change your thinking and mature.
You can rant all you want many others will also join you ... Frustration is a common thing... But saying that you want the system to be changed just based on that you are getting bad rating, is not a solution. It's same with people giving you 1 star rating and labeling it as trash... In this way you are same as them, not giving a solution only labeling it bad.

You know I can say the same? You are accusing me of the exact same hypocrisy you are committing. If the sides were reversed, I would speak your words. So heed your own advice.
 

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You know I can say the same? You are accusing me of the exact same hypocrisy you are committing. If the sides were reversed, I would speak your words. So heed your own advice.
What hypocrisy? I didn't understand and nor I want to.
I can only say that you can come here and do this and people will also do this all over again... the question is when are you going to move on from this.
 

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what if one star reviews required a reasoning? would that change a thing? ( no i have no actual say in this but i feel curious)
 

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Can you all stop shit talking each other. This is clearly a rant and was labeled as such, so stop throwing more fuel on the fire. And if you really want to keep doing this at least take it to pm's.
 

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What hypocrisy? I didn't understand and nor I want to.
I can only say that you can come here and do this and people will also do this all over again... the question is when are you going to move on from this.

the hypocrisy of telling him to "you can change your thinking and mature" FCK THAT! you are basically telling him to lie back and accept it because NO ONE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. that is not the same as "CAN'T" do anything.

he isn't going to "mature" to you people's limited thinking because you all have just accepted that, "One stars drive-bys by trolls are just the way it is. Or maybe they are people that really don't like your story," THAT IS EPIC BULLSHIT!

Obviously this is still an issue with legit authors, but since you all want to roll over and play dead about it we are in the wrong for not sharing your defeatism? or we're accused of having thin-skins? NO, there is no earthly reason in the world for any of my stories having ONE STAR. and if one INSISTS that it does, then PROVE IT. Explain to would be readers why my story structure, my grammar, my GENRE THAT I WRITE IN deserves one star from some hateful anonymous troll. The system is flawed and CAN BE FIXED.
 

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what if one star reviews required a reasoning? would that change a thing? ( no i have no actual say in this but i feel curious)

it would stop the ones who give one star on a hateful whim. A one star costs the caster NOTHING! but the author is the one punched in the gut for reasons he doesn't know, and must "just accept it" or be accused of being thin skinned.
 

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the hypocrisy of telling him to "you can change your thinking and mature" FCK THAT! you are basically telling him to lie back and accept it because NO ONE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. that is not the same as "CAN'T" do anything.

he isn't going to "mature" to you people's limited thinking because you all have just accepted that, "One stars drive-bys by trolls are just the way it is. Or maybe they are people that really don't like your story," THAT IS EPIC BULLSHIT!

Obviously this is still an issue with legit authors, but since you all want to roll over and play dead about it we are in the wrong for not sharing your defeatism? or we're accused of having thin-skins? NO, there is no earthly reason in the world for any of my stories having ONE STAR. and if one INSISTS that it does, then PROVE IT. Explain to would be readers why my story structure, my grammar, my GENRE THAT I WRITE IN deserves one star from some hateful anonymous troll. The system is flawed and CAN BE FIXED.
I won't debate this further with you since you all can't focus on main sentence. This will only lead you to call other things "Epic Bullshit" other than you... you can continue on your "rants" here... if can't take other people's "rants" too.

Peace out.
 

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the hypocrisy of telling him to "you can change your thinking and mature" FCK THAT! you are basically telling him to lie back and accept it because NO ONE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. that is not the same as "CAN'T" do anything.

he isn't going to "mature" to you people's limited thinking because you all have just accepted that, "One stars drive-bys by trolls are just the way it is. Or maybe they are people that really don't like your story," THAT IS EPIC BULLSHIT!

Obviously this is still an issue with legit authors, but since you all want to roll over and play dead about it we are in the wrong for not sharing your defeatism? or we're accused of having thin-skins? NO, there is no earthly reason in the world for any of my stories having ONE STAR. and if one INSISTS that it does, then PROVE IT. Explain to would be readers why my story structure, my grammar, my GENRE THAT I WRITE IN deserves one star from some hateful anonymous troll. The system is flawed and CAN BE FIXED.

I love the part where he says, "I didn't understand and nor I want to."

You and I are aggressive people, and we indeed steer up more trouble than necessary. But at least, we see ourselves as what we are.
 

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What you need to do is go to another platform like writing.com where people have to leave a review with their rating. You can always post on multiple platforms!

One-star ratings on this site actually make me happy because I know my work is controversial and I also know my worth :s_wink:
 

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What you need to do is go to another platform like writing.com where people have to leave a review with their rating. You can always post on multiple platforms!

One-star ratings on this site actually make me happy because I know my work is controversial and I also know my worth :s_wink:
I believe all platforms have exceptions and you my friend are one of the unexplainable exceptions...:blobtaco::blob_nom:
 
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