Seeking Feedback for my Story: I guess I'm finally ready to ask

HarryGarland

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Alright. I've been sitting with my first three chapters for a long time now. I feel like I'm ready to ask for feedback now

What do you think of the
  • story's hook and pacing,
  • the world building,
  • and the realism of Herald and Natalie? (Like, how real are they?)
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/2067983/heraldry-the-sapphire-among-vines/

https://www.scribblehub.com/read/2067983-heraldry-the-sapphire-among-vines/chapter/2068579/

https://www.scribblehub.com/read/2067983-heraldry-the-sapphire-among-vines/chapter/2068585/

https://www.scribblehub.com/read/2067983-heraldry-the-sapphire-among-vines/chapter/2068972/

Thanks for taking your time to read my stuff. And thanks for stopping by this thread.
 
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I skimmed your prologue, but it wasn't the kind of thing I like to read so I won't be reading further, but I do have some feedback.

First off, you switched tenses a lot between past and present. Here are a few examples:

I was dreaming of chasing butterflies and suddenly there's this noise like a dying wolf or something and I began to panic. Luckily, Mommy woke me up and said it's coming from outside.
The sunlight began to slant from the gaps in the canopy. It'll be evening soon. We went back to our huts, the congkak board forgotten on the flat, pebbles lay scattered.
The air here is drier, smells more like grass than wood and moss. It's hotter here too, but the wind is still cool. Birds are singing overhead, and the buzzing of insects had faded away. I could see the blue sky here, and the white puffy clouds.
He doesn't move.

The smell got stronger, thicker.

You use a lot of ellipses, so much that they become quite distracting/annoying, and often it feels like they're unneccessary. Like here:
I nodded weakly, afraid if I might've done something wrong, like if I offended the jungle spirits. "He smelled really sad... Mommy."

A few spelling and grammar mistakes:
I chocked.
Ack. Are they going to stop me? But... But i really need to go!
Some ferns are growing beside it, and a few mushrooms under it's shades.
It's = it is, not the possessive, which is "its" without the apostrophe.

A note about formatting dialogue correctly:
I nodded again, "Y-yes, Mom..."

Mommy looked at Daddy. He closed his eyes, then nodded. But Daddy didn't seem happy.

"Okay. Just be careful, dear." Mommy said, smiling weakly.

"Don't go near the big man, Nat." Daddy said, finally. I thought he was going to keep quiet all morning.

My face broke into a wide smile, "Okay! I'll be careful! Thanks, Mommy! Thanks, Daddy!"
This should instead be written out like this:

I nodded again. "Y-yes, Mom..."

Mommy looked at Daddy. He closed his eyes, then nodded. But Daddy didn't seem happy.

"Okay. Just be careful, dear," Mommy said, smiling weakly.

"Don't go near the big man, Nat," Daddy said, finally. I thought he was going to keep quiet all morning.

My face broke into a wide smile. "Okay! I'll be careful! Thanks, Mommy! Thanks, Daddy!"
When you have a dialogue without a tag (a tag is like "they said", "they shouted", etc.) like your first and last lines here, you end the fragment before the dialogue with a full stop/period. When you do have a tag, like the parents' dialogue, you end the dialogue with a comma inside the quote marks.

That's all I got, but let me know if you have any questions.
 

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OP. We all been there. I was castigated (practically castrated, lol) for my "tense" shifting. And I was roasted for my (too) many periods... of ellipsis. Personally, I did too many parenthetical questions in prose. There's other styles for dialogue, too. Look on the bright side. All fixable typical new stuff. You're doing great!
 

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I skimmed your prologue, but it wasn't the kind of thing I like to read so I won't be reading further, but I do have some feedback.

First off, you switched tenses a lot between past and present. Here are a few examples:

Thanks for the feedback. Initially, I couldn't wrap my head around this because I write as my head narrates.
All the AI I asked said I mix past and present, no no. Then I went to Reddit to ask real people and they said it mattered.
Now you tell me the same too. That means this is a real issue.

I'll pay more attention to that now.

When you have a dialogue without a tag (a tag is like "they said", "they shouted", etc.) like your first and last lines here, you end the fragment before the dialogue with a full stop/period. When you do have a tag, like the parents' dialogue, you end the dialogue with a comma inside the quote marks.

That's all I got, but let me know if you have any questions.

Thank you very for this one. It was one of my biggest headaches.

You use a lot of ellipses, so much that they become quite distracting/annoying, and often it feels like they're unneccessary.

About this one, did you mean the entire sentence (the fragmented nature) or just the end where the '...' is?

I nodded weakly, afraid if I might've done something wrong, like if I offended the jungle spirits. "He smelled really sad... Mommy."​

I'd re-read it, it does stutter a lot because I was trying to capture a child responding to being caught doing something she thinks she shouldn't.

Thanks again!
 

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Thank you for taking my feedback with good grace!

All the AI I asked said I mix past and present, no no. Then I went to Reddit to ask real people and they said it mattered.
Now you tell me the same too. That means this is a real issue.
I have to say: don't outsource the work of becoming a writer to AI. It won't teach you well, it's a computer that learned through stealing the work of real writers. Learn through studying books you love, or by reading books on the craft of writing. Monkeys With Typewriters by Scarlett Thomas, Into The Woods by John Yorke, and Story by Robert McKee are all excellent choices.

About this one, did you mean the entire sentence (the fragmented nature) or just the end where the '...' is?
It was the visual of constantly seeing the "..." (the ellipsis) and also the fragmented nature of the sentences themselves. I get having a fragmented style to show a child's distracted thoughts, but it's a stylistic choice that not everyone will like.
 

TinaMigarlo

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I developed my own bad habits, because I was trying to capture the dialog in my head, and I wanted the dramatric pause where I heard it. I mean, to me there's a difference :
"Get over here now."
"Get over here... now."
its actually okay, but I used it constantly. So its replaced with :
"Get over here, now."
or
"Get over here. Now."

Likewise, my pursuit of it coming across exactly as I hear it in my head.
I can easily imagine someone slowing down, at the end of a sentence.
"You kind of know what I mean..."
but I overused it.

I had other bad habits. Personally, I did *this*, and I mean a lot. I did it *far* too many times.
once again, in my head its the emphasis someone places on one word. And it can be okay. Maybe, once per chapter. Not every other paragraph like I was using it.

I know I couldn't cure all this overnight in my rough draft.
TENSE changing among them. But, I started noticing tense, and I started working on it.
When I got sick of doing it all in proofreading passes, it annoyed me enough I started curing my own bad habits.
NOW when I go back and read what I wrote a couple years ago. Ugh.
the good thing is, the story is fine. It just needs these mechanical bad habits cured.

toss in my constant question marking, and it all adds up to a slow proofreading pass that serves to help cure me of it all.

hey. there's nothing. no special skill on god's green earth that you can get into, and there's not some kind of bad habit you will get into, without being told.
its proof you're not an AI writer. (*wink*)
 

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Alright. I've been sitting with my first three chapters for a long time now. I feel like I'm ready to ask for feedback now

What do you think of the
  • story's hook and pacing,
  • the world building,
  • and the realism of Herald and Natalie? (Like, how real are they?)
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/2067983/heraldry-the-sapphire-among-vines/

https://www.scribblehub.com/read/2067983-heraldry-the-sapphire-among-vines/chapter/2068579/

https://www.scribblehub.com/read/2067983-heraldry-the-sapphire-among-vines/chapter/2068585/

https://www.scribblehub.com/read/2067983-heraldry-the-sapphire-among-vines/chapter/2068972/

Thanks for taking your time to read my stuff. And thanks for stopping by this thread.
:meowsip: Tell me, why should someone your story? What are you trying to sell to me?
I developed my own bad habits, because I was trying to capture the dialog in my head, and I wanted the dramatric pause where I heard it. I mean, to me there's a difference :
"Get over here now."
"Get over here... now."
its actually okay, but I used it constantly. So its replaced with :
"Get over here, now."
or
"Get over here. Now."

Likewise, my pursuit of it coming across exactly as I hear it in my head.
I can easily imagine someone slowing down, at the end of a sentence.
"You kind of know what I mean..."
but I overused it.

I had other bad habits. Personally, I did *this*, and I mean a lot. I did it *far* too many times.
once again, in my head its the emphasis someone places on one word. And it can be okay. Maybe, once per chapter. Not every other paragraph like I was using it.

I know I couldn't cure all this overnight in my rough draft.
TENSE changing among them. But, I started noticing tense, and I started working on it.
When I got sick of doing it all in proofreading passes, it annoyed me enough I started curing my own bad habits.
NOW when I go back and read what I wrote a couple years ago. Ugh.
the good thing is, the story is fine. It just needs these mechanical bad habits cured.

toss in my constant question marking, and it all adds up to a slow proofreading pass that serves to help cure me of it all.

hey. there's nothing. no special skill on god's green earth that you can get into, and there's not some kind of bad habit you will get into, without being told.
its proof you're not an AI writer. (*wink*)
It is a matter of style and preference. Personally, I think the anti ellipse crowd is in the wrong.
 

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I agree, that the "anti ellipsis" crowd is wrong. Yet, you have to imagine. My little example of my ellipsis problem? You have no idea how *bad* I was addicted to... ellipsis. "Quotation" marks. And this *thing*, to emphasize a word. You just have to trust me here, you read a worek of mine from a couple years back? We're talking "ellipsis apocalypse".

Most of the other writers where I came from before here, they'll just make fun of you until you quit it. ONE writer, had a nice way of putting it. He said, look. You said you just read... book X. And it impressed you, right? I said, yes. He then asked me. Did you see... twenty-seven periods of ellipsis, every paragraph. Sentences ending with ellipsis, constantly in dialog. Quotation marks aroud a word, every other sentence. Constantly asking a parenthetical question, with a question mark? multiple times per prose paragraph.

he knew I hadn't seen that.

But I enjoyed the book. I was even impressed. He asked. Didn't I "hear" the dialog I liked, in my head? Just fine without all that attempt to control how the reader heard every word exactly as it was in my head.

he knew I did, before he asked. It was rhetorical. This, was a writer we had who was successful. He was being nice, and dropping a pearl.

He explained. The one book, was late fifties. The other? sixties. All those decades ago, and they were still rec'd to me, and I was excited reading them. in the 2020's. That, was a professional writer that authored both those books, that impressed me. I was reading them for "style", I wanted that writer's style, for my own. Or as much of it as I could get, and absorb off of that one author.

That author? Was published. Went through reprints. Is still getting rec'd, to this day after he's dead. And HE didn't do those things, did he. Noi, he didn't. I wanted that author's style, why stop at story telling. Why not adopt his everything. Including, how he proofed and edited, and everything else.

he was right. It didn't happen overnight, but I slowly started watching those things.

I'm still not published, probably won't ever be. But, I went from NO readers, now I have about thirty readers.
And that's thirty times better than no readers, I tell you. So I've slowly gotten obsessive about it all. The mechanical stuff.
I want my 80k word "novel" to read just like I picked up a paperback at a flea market.

If I can't please the reader, I have no chance.
Its like I cooked a 15 course meal fora big holiday? And I'm sitting down to eat it, just me and the cat.
no point to that, almost.
Maybe its because I'm a couple years older, I didn't grow up reading web novels. Impressed by one, and it made me wanna write.
I grew up reading old paperbacks, impressed by some of those authors. That made me wanna write.

so, its what I do.
 

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What do you think of the
  • story's hook and pacing,
  • the world building,
  • and the realism of Herald and Natalie? (Like, how real are they?)
Why are people giving feedback outside of the OP's question? Sorry, dude. You are unlucky.


I only read the prologue once to gauge immersion. Here is my honest impression.

How was the pacing?

The pacing was quite smooth. The flow and scene transitions are smooth.

However, there were still some descriptive narratives that slowed the flow, such as descriptions of character appearances and descriptions of natural objects.

But these didn't really distract from the reading focus because it was framed from Natalie's perspective as the first POV.


What about the hook?

The hook was quite good. At the end of the prologue, Natalie's sacrifice was rewarded with Harald's openness.

I could see the beginning of a sweet relationship between the little girl and the boy. If readers like cute characters, I'm pretty sure they'll hit the "next" button.

My little complaint is the prologue is quite long, I estimate over 3,000 words. For impatient casual readers, they might stop halfway through. Web novel prologues are usually quite short, 800-1,500 words.


What about the worldbuilding?

The worldbuilding was quite vivid. Natalie really does live in a beautiful forest home. I could feel the sunlight, see the butterflies, and the sounds of insects.

If I may suggest a few words, you could add onomatopoeia of insect and bird sounds to enrich the forest atmosphere and make it feel more alive.

For example, the canary's call "Trilili... trililili...."

That way, readers can hear the sound directly in their minds.


What about Natalie and Herald's characters?

They are just children. Their psychology is quite consistent with children their age.

Natalie is spoiled, shy, but kind. Herald, traumatized by his parents' abandonment, whines and complains when alone. He is a miserable child.

In short, their characterizations are appropriate for children.
 
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Why are people giving feedback outside of the OP's question? Sorry, dude. You are unlucky.


I only read the prologue once to gauge immersion. Here is my honest impression.

How was the pacing?

The pacing was quite smooth. The flow and scene transitions are smooth.

However, there were still some descriptive narratives that slowed the flow, such as descriptions of character appearances and descriptions of natural objects.

But these didn't really distract from the reading focus because it was framed from Natalie's perspective as the first POV.


What about the hook?

The hook was quite good. At the end of the prologue, Natalie's sacrifice was rewarded with Harald's openness.

I could see the beginning of a sweet relationship between the little girl and the boy. If readers like cute characters, I'm pretty sure they'll hit the "next" button.

My little complaint is the prologue is quite long, I estimate over 3,000 words. For impatient casual readers, they might stop halfway through. Web novel prologues are usually quite short, 800-1,500 words.


What about the worldbuilding?

The worldbuilding was quite vivid. Natalie really does live in a beautiful forest home. I could feel the sunlight, see the butterflies, and the sounds of insects.

If I may suggest a few words, you could add onomatopoeia of insect and bird sounds to enrich the forest atmosphere and make it feel more alive.

For example, the canary's call "Trilili... trililili...."

That way, readers can hear the sound directly in their minds.


What about Natalie and Herald's characters?

They are just children. Their psychology is quite consistent with children their age.

Natalie is spoiled, shy, but kind. Herald, traumatized by his parents' abandonment, whines and complains when alone. He is a miserable child.

In short, their characterizations are appropriate for children.
Thanks for the detailed feedback. It's very encouraging!

:meowsip: Tell me, why should someone your story? What are you trying to sell to me?
As for this good question, I shall simply use this image as my reply:

 
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